Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 April 24

= April 24 =

Referencing errors on Societies at Colgate University
Reference help requested.

Hi! I made that edit on the Societies at Colgate University by mistake- could you undo it? Sorry.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.43.195.119 (talk) 01:28, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * A ref tag was malformed, causing a cite error. The content was also out-of-date and incorrect re Sigma Chi. I have corrected both problems. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  02:52, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Talkpage on iPad?
I was going to leave a message on an article's talk page, but I can't find it. The help section says to click on the "talk" tab at the top of the page, but that's not there on any page I've looked at. I thought that perhaps the help pages were running behind the changes to the structure of the pages, so I tried every icon I could see and didn't find it. I'm using an ipad, but that shouldn't be an issue. How do I get to the talk page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lriley47 (talk • contribs)


 * I moved your question down to today's actual posts and added a header to separate it from other posts.
 * But I'll leave your question for a mobile-user to answer (PC-user here). GermanJoe (talk) 02:30, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * It depends on whether you are seeing the desktop version of the site or the mobile version. If your iPad is showing you the mobile version, you won't be able to reach the talk page.  In order to switch to the desktop version, go to the bottom of any page and there will be a link to the desktop version.  The talk page link should then appear at the top where it's supposed to be.  So, for instance, on this Help Desk page there will be two links at the top of the page that say "Project Page" and "Talk".  Note: In some skins, "Talk" is actually labeled "Discussion".  You can change which skin Wikipedia is shown with in your preferences.  Dismas |(talk) 02:35, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * In the mobile version you may be able to reach the talk page by manually inserting  or   in the url before the page name, for example changing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visby_lenses to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visby_lenses. I don't know why the talk link was completely removed from mobile. I could understand it it had been placed in a menu to save space. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

non zero code: 1
Good morning/afternoon I am trying to download a book I have created on Nikola Tesla. As the PDF is being generated it is interrupted by the error message "non zero .code: 1" - and the process stops. Other PDF's I have created have been created successfully. ? is there an answer as to what I can do to rectify this - Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinnedy (talk • contribs) 05:58, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the PDF generation has a long standing bug that hasn't been fixed yet. - X201 (talk) 09:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

A note for others: I've prodded Phab that this is still a problem and is reported fairly regularly here, have also linked the latest problem article mentioned in this thread - X201 (talk) 09:15, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Deep Throat
Yes Hello. I was assistant production assistant on Deep Throat. My dad was the one who produced it Lou Perry.Son of Lou Perry Producer. Peter J Renko aka Lou Perry Jr aka Louis Periano am an actor and a big band Jazz swing drummer.I tryed to edit it but it dose not stay on the Page. Thank You Lou Perry Jr — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.239.249.195 (talk) 10:31, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Your contribution to Deep Throat (film) was removed by another editor, who wrote "If you have a valid contribution, use complete sentences and provide references." Maproom (talk) 10:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Links to section headers
About a month ago, a new feature appeared in Wikipedia. Alongside each section header, there was some symbol that, when clicked on, provided a link to that section. Once I had figured out what it was, I found it really useful. But now it has gone. Have I accidentally disabled it somehow? Or has it been removed (and if so, why)? Can I get it back by changing a setting somewhere? Maproom (talk) 10:32, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * The feature was unpopular at Village pump (technical)/Archive 135 and T18691 shows it was removed. You can just click the section in the table of contents instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:41, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
Chennai and Sullurpeta — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.93.117.226 (talk) 10:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed, part of a reference in Sricity had been deleted. - X201 (talk) 11:26, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * With the result being some odd and possibly incorrect language, which I will leave to you. "Nearly 30 suburban trains operate between Sullurpeta and Chennai and Sullurpeta every day passing via Sri City (Tada & Arambakkam)." &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  11:32, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Section link from the infobox
Re: Shooting of Michael Brown

Note the infobox field, Litigation Wrongful death lawsuit pending. Then note the article section, Wrongful death lawsuit, which provides details about the lawsuit.

It would seem useful to make the infobox field value a link to the section, as: Litigation Wrongful death lawsuit pending. Is there a guideline or other community consensus that would preclude that? &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  12:06, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Mandruss, see Manual of Style/Infoboxes. You should not add a link to the article itself. The table of contents serves that purpose. All the best, Taketa (talk) 12:57, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Sad but true. Thank you. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  13:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Pawan Kumar Bharti
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.71.9.131 (talk) 12:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a help desk, not a place to put an article draft. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but for a clueless editor it looks quite good, should it be converted into a draft? –Be..anyone (talk) 13:04, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It's probably good enough for a draft, however it could well be a WP:COI or autobiography, since the person's current employer matches the IP address. I guess that isn't a reason to not put it to draft though. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:19, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, because I never tested this namespace. It could be also a copyvio. –Be..anyone (talk) 13:46, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * yes it's copyrighted, I've put it up for CSD. Also, removed the text from above. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:50, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * So far for testing the draft namespace: The copyvio check bot doesn't protect the help desk. –Be..anyone (talk) 13:55, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

false information
Re: Stephen Khan

someone has updated my husbands bio falsely. They have done this 2-3 times adding the same false information. How can this be stopped Stephen Khan is NOT a devout Muslim — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.65.176.118 (talk) 13:48, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I have removed the unsourced statement and will watch the article for awhile. If reliable sources are provided for the statement, it will become a question of whether the religion is relevant to the article. That question would need to be discussed and resolved on the article's talk page. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  14:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I've also sent the user that added it a Welcome/don't add unsourced content message/warning. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:03, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Partner parameter
This is an issue regarding putting someone's name as a "Partner" in page's infobox As I reviewed the guidelines, Olivia Poulet should not be categorized as "Partner" of Benedict Cumberbatch to comply with WP:BLPSOURCES, WP:GRAPEVINE, and WP:BLPGOSSIP as evidenced in the following: 1. Source doesn't specify the year when they started dating, thus there is no encyclopedic evidence that they started dating in 1999 as written in the personal life section of the page. Other sources outside those cited say they have been together for "a decade" while some indicate "12 years" with no mention of a year whatsoever. No hard fact to say they indeed started dating in 1999. Dates should be verified as this is a biography and in this case it lacks verifiability thus should be removed accordingly.

2. In a 2005 interview, Cumberbatch has stated "My break-up was completely out of the blue" he says. "I had been very nervous for us because of where we were in our relationship and because I was going away for such a long time." http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/05_may/19/earth5.shtml This gives further credence that they do not have a stable and linear relationship.

4. In one of the citations (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/3648695/Whatever-acting-means.html), Poulet herself was quoted saying "'We've been good friends for a long time. But then we were not such good friends for a bit. And now we're good friends again." which indicate an unstable and on-off relationship.

3. In the citation provided, which was an interview done in 2010, it is indicated that Poulet and Cumberbatch indeed have an "on-off" relationship: "He and Olivia split up for a few years, but have been back together" (source under subscription, see here for transcript: http://www.benedictcumberbatch.co.uk/interviews/the-sunday-times-the-fabulous-baker-street-boy/). This was before their permanent break up in 2011. (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a309612/benedict-cumberbatch-olivia-poulet-split.html#~paJV33xYXX0cCL)

Since there's a muddled timeline and conflicting sources at hand, isn't it better and more fair to just indicate that they met at university and eventually broke up in 2011 in the page's personal life section? There is no indisputable evidence of co-habitation and an established long-term partnership (no definite year of when they started dating, there were break-ups between 1999-2011 per source) so Poulet shouldn't be categorized as a life partner and should be removed in the infobox. This is a biography and any wrong or unverified information should be removed immediately.GwynethGwyneth (talk) 13:51, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You've crossposted this same question, verbatim, across multiple forums. Check the TEAHOUSE version for a response, which the good folks there ought to provide forthwith. Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 14:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * This is a sock. Any dicussions can be removed or hatted as needed as they've now been blocked.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots  15:48, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia as a source
Could and/or should Wikipedia be used as a source for any projects or papers that my son may have in high school? Is Wikipedia considered a reliable source? If so, how would he cite the page, in writing - just use the page's URL? Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilboo1199 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That is a question that needs to be answered by your son's teacher because it will depend on circumstances. If you would like to know more about the reliability of Wikipedia in general, you may find these pages helpful: Reliability of Wikipedia and General disclaimer.  To learn more about how to cite Wikipedia, you can read this page:  Citing Wikipedia.  Deli nk (talk) 16:46, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't consider Wikipedia a reliable source. A good starting point? sure why not. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Gord Wilson
This page is linked to the Ontario Federation of Labour, past president, Gord Wilson. They are different people. I know this because Gord Wilson is my father. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.112.5.171 (talk) 16:37, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed the link from within Ontario Federation of Labour to Gord Wilson, because, as you say, they do not appear to be the same person.  Deli nk (talk) 16:50, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

help with Robert Bloom (oboe) biography
Please help me to convey to the new editor this message:

Archiving the list of Robert Bloom's pupils is an important contribution to our culture; the list can be found only in this Wiki biography. It gives future researchers and writers the information needed to explore Bloom's legacy in depth. While some links are to the pupil's personal website, other links provide only a starting place for the researcher but are nonetheless valuable. Two doctoral dissertations have already been written, earning the authors the degree of Doctor of Musical Arts:

The American School of Oboe Playing: Robert Bloom, John de Lancie, John Mack, and the Influence of Marcel Tabuteau by Galbraith, Amy M., D.M.A., WEST VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY, 2011, 101 pages; 3476409

The Legacy of Oboist and Master Teacher, Robert Bloom by Janna Leigh Ryon, D.M.A., UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND, 2014

Also, please help me to email the list of the pupils with the links to you. I don't believe that my copy and paste from an email into the submission included the links that have been painstakingly researched.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by SLBloom (talk • contribs) 17:28, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * This discussion is about a draft article, Draft: Robert Bloom. One of the comments at the draft is about difficulties with the formatting of the list of pupils.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:26, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * The list of pupils should be deleted wholesale, rather than reformatted. It is original research, as admitted in the question above. It is unreferenced – the raw URLs it contains do not provide evidence that those listed were Bloom's pupils, they are merely pages mentioning those pupils. Maproom (talk) 07:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Since the main criticism was the poor formatting of the list of pupils, if it is deleted, the article may then be ready for resubmission to go into article space. Properly sourced information on the pupils can of course be added at a later date.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:02, 25 April 2015 (UTC)