Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 August 21

= August 21 =

Hurrem, a/k/a Roxelana
What did she die of? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcolgrp18 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That question would be better raised at Talk:Roxelana. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  01:12, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, it would be better to ask at the Reference Desk. The talk page is for improving the article, not for discussion of the subject.  Rojomoke (talk) 04:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Adding the cause of death, appropriately referenced, to the article would be an improvement, so I agree with Mike.--ukexpat (talk) 12:25, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * In this case, which is unusual, I am inclined to go along with asking at the Reference Desk. The talk page is, indeed, for the purpose of improving the article, but, if someone there knew the cause of her death, they would likely have added it.  It is also likely that her talk page is poorly watched.  In this case, although your question is about improving Wikipedia, it is really a general knowledge question, in view of the fact that she lived and died five hundred years ago.  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:28, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Up for Deletion!
I provided over 16 references for a biography on an actor and I got a notice that none of the sites are credible. I used a governmental public voting records for DOB and Name. Entertainment Weekly, IMDb, and the Boston Herald for his movie news. I also have a physical article that he was featured in, in Imagine Magazine, but is no longer available online, only hard copies. So how can I site that? Just because the subject of my story hasn't won an Oscar yet or been in a Hollywood blockbuster doesn't make his story any less relevant or automatically turn my article in to a promotional campaign. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halvolt1 (talk • contribs) 04:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * within Wikipedia voter records and such are completely inappropriate sources . we care that reliable third party sources have found the topic worth discussing in a significant manner. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  04:56, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:CS for information on how to cite your magazine article. Greedo  8  05:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The word you want is "cite", not "site". You need the right spelling for searches and so on, like finding the documentation for citations with Template:Cite. --Thnidu (talk) 16:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You also need to read WP:NACTOR. Wikipedia has notability guidelines, and we need evidence that they have been met. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Deleating images
can any one help me deleate the image i updoaled by mistake --Aryan hindustan (talk) 11:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC) --Aryan hindustan (talk) 11:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't see any obvious sign of images which you have uploaded here in the English Wikipedia. If you are referring to your activities at Wikimedia Commons, you need to ask there.  They do have a help page at Commons:Help:Contents. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:15, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You can request deletion of your own recent upload at Commons by placing  on the Commons file page, or   where   is a further reason (shouldn't be needed for G7). You can find the file page at commons:Special:Contributions/Aryan hindustan. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Archived version of reference page is useless because of robots.txt
In, the reference in footnote 3 (see below) has an archive URL, presumably because the original article URL is 404:Not Found. However, the archive URL is also useless: The page says Page cannot be crawled or displayed due to robots.txt.

ISTM that there should be a warning in the reference to the effect of "Don't waste your time on this link because you won't find the page here either". I couldn't find a template to do that, so I've added the tag in HTML:[Page cannot be crawled or displayed due to robots.txt.]

Is there such a template? If so, it should be easier to find; if not, I'll submit this one.



--Thnidu (talk) 16:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , I would think that dead link would do, although it is not as specific. This is actually an issue with the Internet Archive. Their policy is that they will not display archived content if the current robots.txt file requests crawlers not to index a page/site, even if the current site owner is completely different form the producer of the archives content. When a domain expires and is taken be a reseller, a new robots.text blockign all access is often added. This blocks access to the archived content even though there is no copyright infringement involved. This has been brought to their (IA's) attention before. DES (talk) 16:56, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah well. I'll replace my improvised tag with another "dead link". Thanks for the info. --Thnidu (talk) 17:18, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅, but it comes out oddly (ref 3). --Thnidu (talk) 17:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * (Both links dead)
 * (Both links dead)


 * That looks bad because you added to archive-url.  Doing that confuses Module:Citation/CS1 producing the odd results you see.  This citation already has a  template.  Is another really required?


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * how would you suggest that we indicate that both the archive link and the original link are dead, or at least non-working? DES (talk) 18:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure. That's why I asked if two were necessary.  Since there is no proper connection between a archive-url and  except by adjacent positioning,  duplication of the template seems redundant.  There has been some discussion recently about how Module:Citation/CS1 can be modified for cases where the original url goes from dead to unsuitable.  See Help_talk:Citation_Style_1.  We have not considered something similar for the archive url but perhaps, in light of this citation, we should.


 * If the article text that is supported by this citation is controversial or likely to be challenged then it would seem the best course is for editors of that page to locate a suitable replacement for the current cited source. If not controversial or likely to be challenged then, perhaps, the citation can simply go away until someone challenges it.


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 20:00, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Maybe, it just goes away. The other cite for that paragraph is dead, not archived, but has a title.  A quick Google search found this:
 * Maybe that is sufficient.
 * Maybe that is sufficient.


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 20:12, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Lynn Walsh
This message is in reference to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Walsh

When you search on Google for "Lynn Walsh" The wikipedia page above shows up. It is about a leader in the socialist party. BUT the photo associated with the Wikipedia entry is of LYNN WALSH JOURNALIST (that is me) www.twitter.com/lwalsh

I would like the photo to be removed from the wikipedia page please since it is inaccurate. It looks like it is just connected in a Google Search. Thank you and let me know what I can do to help.

Lynn Walsh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.178.109.82 (talk) 17:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the connection between the photo and the Wikipedia article isn't coming from Wikipedia, as the article has no image. We have no control over what Google puts in the box at the right of the search results.  ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:51, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Google aggregates and displays things from multiple sources. There is no photo in the Lynn Walsh (the political figure) article on Wikipedia, and there appears to be no article on a journalist by the same name.  Wikipedia has no control over what Google displays, but whatever image they are displaying, it does not appear to be coming from here.   Rwessel (talk) 17:55, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Here is our standard reply for posts like this:
 * Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

How to find a recent posting here (recursive problem?)
A few days ago I posted a question here regarding the Edits by user tool. However since the tool is broken I cannot find my own posting. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 18:26, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Is this it? Maproom (talk) 18:41, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * @Ottawahitech: Assuming there are a lot of edits between now and the date of the post, and so just looking at your contributions would not make it immediately obvious, or just finding your user name on the current help desk page (typically + on a PC; or Cmd+f on a Mac) would not work because the thread's already been archived, I would go to my contributions → restrict to the Wikipedia namespace (in the dropdown menu next to "Namespace:") → search those restricted results for help desk using my browser's find function (as instructed above). If I further wanted to view that thread in the archives, I'd take the section header title I'd found, place it in quotes, and use the "Search the help desk archives and other help pages" which is at the top of this page (or take a bit of unique text from my post as shown in the diff and place that in quotes, maybe with my username included separately in that search). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:45, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Housing/LandLord/Breaking Judge"sOrder (Access)
Hi, my name is  and I"m in Court with . They Sued me based On A Lie that i"m feeding Big Rat in my Apt . Management has agreed that i go down the Court House to get my lawyers & their lawyers together to settle this matter at once so can return Home at .So i went down to the Court House & i saw the Judge, she has Decided that payment be made On 23rd of that same month So i can get my Keys to return Home at . The Judge also gave me Access to place six hours & ten minutes everyday so i can cook at home do Laundry & to countinue taking care of myself. She said this is A Big Bill that i"m going to pay. And she didn"t want me to spend so much money out of my pocket. So when the 23rd has arrived their lawyers one of them said that he has A Travers Meeting to go unto that he cannot afford to be Late for that meeting. So i want my Apt. my Keys & it"s being too long I Need My Rest. Katz    Sister. By the way, This is A Crime. "cause I"m an old tenant his super should never  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.2.60.95 (talk) 20:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry about your situation, but we cannot help you here. This help desk is for people to ask questions about how to use Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia.  We cannot give legal advice.  ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:47, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the second time you have posted more or less the same story, User:209.2.60.95. We couldn't help you the first time, and we still can't. Wikipedia is not a useful place for the kind of problems you are posting about. DES (talk) 20:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)