Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 August 25

= August 25 =

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.207.73 (talk) 00:59, 25 August 2015‎ (UTC)
 * Hello. Your edit was unsourced and so it was reverted in a subsequent edit. The reason you saw that cite error message was because you added tags with no citation in between them. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:19, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Weirdness
Some time after doing the Wikipedia adventure, a second adventure badge popped up on my user page and I deleted it and then today, I noticed that two more had popped up. Is this going to continue, does anyone have an explanation? Thanks Tortle (talk) 01:30, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * this sort of thing might be apptpriate for WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:03, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding Vchimpanzee . It hasnt come back and I dont know if it is a widespread issue so I think Ill just forget about it. Nice to meet you. Tortle (talk) 22:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Louvre Abu Dhabi Wikipedia Page
Good morning,

I have submitted change requests in Louvre Abu Dhabi Wikipedia page in June under the username of Mariam Saleh AlDhaheri. Could you give us an estimate time for reviewing the submissions?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariam Saleh AlDhaheri (talk • contribs) 06:08, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for making your requests at the talk page of Louvre_Abu_Dhabi. Wikipedia is run by volunteers, who work on what they choose – and I suspect most will have little interest in your proposed changes, which are mostly about the details of the construction of the building. Maybe this reply will draw the attention of a cladding enthusiast. I have corrected a spelling as you requested. Maproom (talk) 09:32, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

External Link
Dear Sir/Madam,

I would like to ask you that can I add a relevant links to the legal case citations,

In your listed article there is a case cite "677 F.2d 957" where there is no link to the case (it is in the article "Engblom v. Carey"). We have a case document for this.

Can I create a external links? We found there are many missing cases. Can I add the external links where there are missing even in other articles.

Regards, Team Leagle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leagle web (talk • contribs) 07:00, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


 * There are a couple things going on here that you need to keep in mind.
 * First, your username. It appears to be inappropriate because it is A) promotional and B) implies shared use. See WP:USERNAME.
 * Second, you've been adding links to your own web site. This is a conflict of interest. Since you, I assume, work for leagle.com, you have a monetary interest in getting links to your web site in various articles. Wikipedia is not here for promotion of your, or anyone else's, web site or service. See WP:COI and WP:LINKSPAM.
 * Dismas |(talk) 07:50, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

I would like to inform you that our site has free access and where we add links will be useful to the general public as no body linked the article. When we link then it will be useful to the readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leagle web (talk • contribs) 08:29, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't think it would be appropriate because the case cite itself is not directed to the website. It is simply what is used to refer to the case, not any site documenting the case. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 09:49, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Even if you don't have a monetary interest in promoting your site,, promotion whether commercial or not is forbidden on Wikipedia. External links may be added in certain circumstances, (see WP:EL) but if those conditions do not hold, linking to a site is seen as promotion of that site, and not permitted. --ColinFine (talk) 16:26, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * We generally don't make external links in the body of articles. We make them at the end in references and external links sections. Your links added nothing which wasn't already there. Inserting these links to your own site in the opening sentence is spamming. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Sourcing
I have a question about sourcing. I have been asked by a recording artist to update his biography page. The page currently has these issues noted:

A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject.

''This biographical article relies too much on references to primary sources. (August 2015)''

There are many reviews of his work, but for all practical purposes no published biographical sources exists to cite. The material he sent me sounded like a "press package" that would need to be highly reworked. From what I understand this is a blatant infraction to Wikipedia standards regarding primary sources and having close connection with its subject. So the question is: How can one contribute/update a biographical article if the subject is the only primary source of biographical information? As it stands now I'm afraid to contribute further to this article without raising more issues or putting my account at risk. And I promised I'd help him with this. I'm very confused. Utnijlj (talk) 14:44, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If no published biographical sources exist to cite, that's pretty darned solid evidence that the subject does not meet our standards of notability. We insist on reliable, third-party sources and do not use self-published content such as the subject's website, press kit, etc. (the aforementioned "primary sources"). -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  14:52, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


 * You seem to be on the correct path regarding your responsibilities as a Wikipedia editor. I think the "Summary" and "Advice" sections of this Plain and Simple guide to Conflict of Interest may be the things you need at this point. If it raises more questions than it answers just ask here. - X201 (talk) 14:53, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


 * David Helpling perchance? Reviews of his work may meet the requirements of WP:NMUSIC. Material from a press package would not be sufficient. On a process point, if you have been asked by the subject to work on the article, you have a conflict of interest, which you must disclose (preferably on your user page). You should also not edit the article but use the talk page to request edits.--ukexpat (talk) 14:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Name of page "Macedonia" and reference of an ethnic group.
Talking about:

Republic of Macedonia

There is no such thing as a "Republic of Macedonia". Politically correct term is F.Y.R.O.M.

Calling the country Macedonia is misleading and propaganda, and a direct correlation with the ancient kingdom of Macedonia that had most of it's territory and capital city in Greece, that spoke Greek and defined themselves as Greeks.

The name of the page and all the references of this page must be changed to the politically and historically correct term of: former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (F.Y.R.O.M.), so that it will not be confused with the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia. Also the inhabitants should not be called Macedonians, as they have absolutely nothing in common with the ancient Macedonians, and by calling them like that can be easily confused by the people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Izacharo (talk • contribs) 14:59, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This has been the topic of a *great* deal of discussion on Wikipedia over the years. (I'd suggest starting with Naming conventions (Macedonia) and working through the remainder of Centralized discussion/Macedonia/navbox as well as the article about the entire concept (Macedonia naming dispute). Naraht (talk) 15:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Well known person
How can I find a reference to a well known person when I know only the person's last name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.154.85 (talk) 17:00, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If you Google for his name and whatever he's known for, you should be able to find his other names. Maproom (talk) 18:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If his last name is a relatively common one, it is likely that the surname has a WP:Disambiguation page in Wikipedia that you will find on a Wikipedia search. Other than that, Maproom has good advice about Google.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:29, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Restarting a DYK page
I helped an article get promoted to GA status, but I previously nominated for a DYK, where it was rejected. How do I reopen a new DYK without overwriting the previous one? Buffaboy talk 17:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think I know what you mean. You have to open it under a new name like, "Utica, New York (2nd nomination)", and also remember to link the old nomination from the new one so people can find it easily. I would also link the new nomination from the old one's talk page. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 22:22, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Buffaboy  talk 22:45, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia
Hello I am Sej and I was wondering if any one could help me in creating a wikipedia page, I am new to this and I want to make an article for a company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sejchristian (talk • contribs) 20:59, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello . There are several things to consider.
 * First of all, is the company notable? See our guideline on notability of companies, but generally, it must have multiple independent published reliable sources that have covered it in some detail. This means not blogs or directories, not press releases or stories mostly based on them, and not the company's own web site, not interviews with company owners or officials, not anything written by someone employed by or associated with the company, and not one-sentence mentions in stories or articles about something else. If the company is not notable in this specialized sense, there cannot be a Wikipedia article about it.
 * Secondly, do you have a conflict of interest? Do you work for the company, or own it? Are you affiliates with it in some way? Or is a member of your family or close friend affiliated with it? If so, you are strongly urged not to created such an article nor to directly edit it if one is created. It would be very hard for you to stay neutral about it, adn even if you did there would be an appearance of bias.
 * Thirdly, you must understand that Wikipedia articles must be neutral. They cannot be used to promote a company -- or anything else. They cannot express opinions or value judgement, only report the opinions others have expressed.
 * If after all that you want to proceed, please read Your First Article and Referencing for Beginners. Then i advise you to use the article wizard and the articles for creation process. By that route, an experienced editor will review your draft when you think it is ready. Until such a reviewer approves it, it will not go live and be subject to most of the reasons for possible deletion. Feel free to ask further questions about the process. DES (talk) 22:03, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Error in coordinates for Saint-François, Laval
The location coordinates for Saint-François, Laval are the location for Saint-François-de-l'Île-d'Orléans.


 * Saint-François,_Laval
 * Saint-François-de-l'Île-d'Orléans

The coordinates should be 45°40′13″N 73°34′45″W — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.146.18 (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Done - updated the coordinates (Google Maps seems to agree). Thank you for pointing this out. GermanJoe (talk) 21:22, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Deleted Contributions
What are Special:DeletedContributions? DJ Autagirl (talk) 21:22, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Administrators like me can see deleted edits by a specified user, usually meaning edits to a page which was later deleted. For example, Special:DeletedContributions/DJ Autagirl shows me you have a single deleted edit, adding to a deleted version of DigiDestined. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:33, 25 August 2015 (UTC)