Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 August 26

= August 26 =

Script error
There's a very extensive bug that returns
 * Script error: The module returned a value. It is supposed to return an export table.

-Mardus (talk) 00:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Suddenly i see this error message on an article i edited. I guess this is a internal error? prokaryotes (talk) 00:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm getting this too, and it's on every page except the Main Page and any edit page; I can't even access my preferences in case there's something in there that might be causing it. —烏Γ (kaw), 00:32, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I was just coming to ask about this, it was all over wikipedia for me. Heres a screenshot of it from the main page that I just uploaded but now its better. 8-26-15bugscreenshot.png Tortle (talk) 00:40, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I just got it too. It seems to have been taken off general pages, but still on List of North American ethnic and religious fraternal orders. At first I thought it was something I did.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 00:41, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * It's gone! And first i thought i broke the Wikipedia :) prokaryotes (talk) 00:44, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Me too, it seems to be off everything, including my talk page and the List of North American ethnic and religious fraternal orders. Does anyone know what happened though? Tortle (talk) 00:47, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

If the bug was induced by editors and can be repaired by editor and isnt some inner website tech thingy then we need to get to the bottom of the issue so it wont repeat itself as I logged myself out and it is viewable to the general public too. Tortle (talk) 00:49, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I saw it at List of North American ethnic and religious fraternal orders when Bellerophon5685 reported it, but cleared it with a "?action=purge". The underlying fault, wherever it lay, has presumably been cured but some pages may still have cache problems which would need purging. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:50, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * How does one ?action=purge David Biddulph in case I come axross this again? And on the main page that I screenshotted, the issue seemed to be with the pictures. Tortle (talk) 00:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, I found instructions at Purge Tortle (talk) 00:58, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Discussed at Village pump (technical)/Archive 139 PrimeHunter (talk) 00:58, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Multiple Infobox templates.
Hi!

I'm trying to add info aboud Shah Ismail I Safavid's pen name "Khatā'ī" to the infobox on his page, but since the box is listed as "monarch" rather than "writer" it won't show up on the page proper, even though it shows up in the editor. What can I do to fix this? It there anyway to merge the "monarch" and "writer" infoboxes?

Thanks -Filipovsfolly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filipovsfolly (talk • contribs) 06:51, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no way to combine infoboxes. There is the Occupation Field, for which "Writer using Pen Name:Khatā'ī" or something similar would be appropriate. There are articles with multiple infoboxes, but I think in this case that the use of the Occupation Field would be better.Naraht (talk) 15:09, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Help with Son Boricua article
Hi, I usually edit Hebrew wiki pages, but I decided to make some contributions to English wiki as well. I created an article about the Salsa band "Son Boricua". The page was originally created as "Son boricua" (b in lowercase), so I decided to rename it to "Son Boricua". My mistake it was renamed to "Wikipedia:Son Boricua" and now I don't have permissions to fix it, the move is blocked. רועי מימרן (talk) 11:52, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅: Son Boricua. But it does not cite any sources to demonstrate notability per WP:BAND so you need to fix that ASAP.--ukexpat (talk) 12:02, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

How to review and verify non-English sources?
New user added this: to pending-changes article Karachays (diff1, [diff2). I tried to find English translation, but I found nothing. Also, there is no online version of this book on Google Books. So how can I review and verify it? --[[User:Zyma|Zyma]] (talk) 13:50, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The Russian Academy of Sciences (RAS): ИЭА РАН. Series "Народы и культуры" - "Карачаевцы. Балкарцы.". 2014, М.: "Наука", 2014, - pages 815., ISBN 978-5-02-038043-1, chapter 2, page 35"

Hithadhoo School
I did some improvements on Hithadhoo School, but I need someone to add a category, please.--DThomsen8 (talk) 15:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

✅--DThomsen8 (talk) 15:41, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * What does the reference tell us? Where is the significant coverage in secondary sources?  Does this meet Notability (schools)? --David Biddulph (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Prima facie it would appear not and I doubt that Foursquare is a reliable source for notability.--ukexpat (talk) 16:17, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The Ministry of Education does list two Hithadhoo Schools, the second one a government school on Hithadhoo Island, so that establishes its existence, and all high schools are considered notable. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * At least, the copyright claims the directory is from the Ministry of Education ... Clarityfiend (talk) 11:19, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


 * So it sounds as if there is some evidence that the school exists, but no reliable sources to substantiate any information about it. We seem to be in the situation described in Notability (schools).  "1.These guidelines assume that there is some encyclopedic content. Directory-only entries (name, address, school type, staff member listings, etc.) are not adequate.", so should be merged or redirected. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:29, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


 * That may be what the guideline says, but that's not what happens in Afd's. Consider Mount Star Secondary School in Nepal, which was kept two days ago (Aug. 26) apparently based on a photo of an alleged school! Clarityfiend (talk) 11:53, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


 * It also looks as if the (Dhivehi : މަޖީދިއްޔާ ސުކޫލް ) is still left over from when the article was copied from Majeediyya School. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

How to register
How do i rejester to edit or contribute to this Wiki page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.90.20 (talk) 16:21, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Top right hand corner should have a link to register. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 16:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That link should take you to Special:UserLogin - David Biddulph (talk) 16:28, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Sortable alphabetical tables
I'm trying to create a sortable alphabetical table akin to List of Latin phrases (A), with that horizontal navibox at the top. The article I'm trying to edit is List of Jewish film directors, based upon the design as described at Talk:Jewish culture. What I can create so far looks like this:

What I still need is that clickable horizontal alphabetical navibox at the top as found at List of Latin phrases (A). --80.187.106.89 (talk) 16:49, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, that table at the top isn't actually moving the table, but linking between pages because of the extreme length of the list of latin phrases. I'd suggest listing them by under different headings if you want a table like the one above to be automatically generated for that page. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:55, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * That horizontal navbox is created by a template specifically for those lists, so probably not a good model for this article. There is however Horizontal TOC - does that look like it would work?--ukexpat (talk) 16:58, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I know the linkable horizontal navibox doesn't move the table but jumps in-between different articles. I hoped there was a simple command that would take every table for a letter and automatically put them on different articles and link to them, provided you create an own table per letter. --80.187.106.89 (talk) 17:00, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Technical question on article expansion
A question regarding procedure: If I write up in my userspace an article draft that already exists as a stub in articlespace and I didn't take any information from the pre-existent stub, what would be the procedure for transferring over the content to the mainspace article? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:16, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, it largely depends on which one has more of a "history". If the articlespace article has a lot of history and the userspace draft doesn't (or if the userspace is largely created by that user) then I'd simply copy the text as the history of the userspace article isn't really needed. Conversely if the stub has little history and the userspace has a complex history then I'd start and AFD with the information that there is a proposed replacement.Naraht (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Another option if both have history that needs to be preserved is to request a history merge. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Assuming that the user is the only contributor to the draft text, it doesn't need to be that complicated. Just edit the article to include the "new" stuff and remove the "old" stuff. The history will show who edited what and when. We don't need the complete history of the user space draft when only one user has worked on it.--ukexpat (talk) 18:05, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I meant that in part of what I wrote, even if it wasn't clear.Naraht (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Notifications
Lately, maybe for as long as one or two months, I'm no longer receiving a notification when someone pings me in Categories for Discussion. I do receive other notifications though. The most recent occasion I coincidentally found that I hadn't received a notification was the ping in this discussion. How can this be solved? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * For a ping to work, your pinged user name and the editor's signature must appear in the same edit. If you look in the history of the discussion to which you refer, you will see that at the first attempt your user name was spelled incorrectly.  In the edit which corrected your user name there wasn't a new signature, hence no notification. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's helpful. I guess very few people will be aware of this. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Tourist attractions in Udaipur
Reference help requested.

My edit to the page caused URL error which i am unable to correct.Help with the same would be appreciated

Thanks, Avgr8 (talk) 19:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Is the help link in the error message not helpful?


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 19:46, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed, I believe... (had url that started /www that should have started http://www )Naraht (talk) 19:55, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Page about me
There is a wiki page about me that is not accurate:

I try to edit it and it does not change. The information on this page is damaging to my career and reputation, and I believe the page was made only to damage me.

Can the page be locked to prevent edits? Can the page be deleted?

Please help!

Tim Montemayor 174.52.28.244 (talk) 22:00, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You did make an edit to the page. You can see it here: Special:Diff/678007996. While some of what you removed does appear to be there to deliberately bias readers and should not be readded, you should be wary about editing when you have a conflict of interest. Dustin  ( talk ) 22:15, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * , COI does not apply in this instance (so don't worry about it). The policy states, "unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."  In any case, I tagged the article for an A7 delete.  This means that the person described may not meet the notability standards that Wikipedia has set for living persons. --Stabila711 (talk) 22:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The article has been deleted as per the A7 request. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

how to cite/quote/refer to a nonfiction book which is only in print and not online
Hello, I am wondering if it is okay to quote/refer to a nonfiction book of history in an article; to use this a reference regarding authenticity of information.This is regarding a page I am working on sources for, so it is not created yet. thanks. QuadraRocks (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Greetings. Yes, if that book is a reliable source (see WP:RS for more in-depth detail on what that means) you can absolutely refer to it.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 23:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey QuadraRocks. See also the section of the verifiability policy at the shortcut WP:PAYWALL, Reliable sources/Cost and Offline sources.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)