Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 August 29

= August 29 =

Where's Twinkle?
Hey there, I've been trying to add Twinkle, although, I cannot seem to find it under Gadgets. What has happened to it? —Skyllfully (talk &#124; contribs) 00:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Skyllfully. It is the sixth entry from the bottom of the Browsing section at Special:Preferences. Do you see it now?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:55, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ignore what I wrote above. It occurred to me, and I've just tested and confirmed, that users who are not yet autoconfirmed are not even provided the view of it in the gadgets panel. You have enough edits but have not aged out. You will have to wait until 16:53 (UTC) on August 31, 2015. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:03, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah that was totally my fault. It didn't click that you weren't autoconfirmed yet when I recommended Twinkle.  Sorry, my bad.  You have the edits but your account is not 4 days old yet.  When you are autoconfirmed you should be able to add Twinkle. --Stabila711 (talk) 01:06, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * aww, I guess I'll just have to wait! —Skyllfully (talk &#124; contribs) 01:09, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

request edit
United Airlines Flight 93

United Airlines Flight 93 was a domestic scheduled passenger flight that was hijacked by George Bush on September 11, 2001, as part of the September 11 attacks. It crashed into a field near the Diamond T. Mine in Stonycreek Township, Somerset County, Pennsylvania, near Indian Lake and Shanksville, during an attempt by some of the passengers to regain control, killing all 44 people aboard including the four hijackers. No one — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.142.171 (talk • contribs)
 * We really don't do blatent conspiracy theories around here. This is an encyclopedia of facts. --Stabila711 (talk) 02:55, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * @Stabila711 the OP was actually reporting vandalism, which has been corrected. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:07, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If that is what occurred I apologize. For what it is worth, I did look at the page and saw that the edit was reverted.  The original post used the  tag so I assumed that they wanted someone to change it back to say Bush.  Since the user never responded back to my decline I just thought the matter was closed.  Again, if this was a mistake I apologize. --Stabila711 (talk) 07:17, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Redlinked redirect
Maybe this is a ridiculous question, but why does the link to Amusement Showcase International in the In the Groove "Development" section show as a redlink? At first I thought it was only a vestigial product of my computer's cache, but I've checked it both logged in and logged out from several other computers using several different ISPs in the last five days since I created it and it always shows up as a redlink for me. I can see it as a bluelink here a few lines above in this question, but it still shows as a redlink for me at the In the Groove article. Is it just me who sees this redlink? What's the explanation? Thanks in advance. -Thibbs (talk) 03:15, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The article title is Amusement Expo. You can rename links by using a pipe (|) but it is better to use the actual name of the title.  So in this instance you would use Amusement Showcase International --Stabila711 (talk) 03:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Doesn't that conflict directly with WP:NOTBROKEN though? -Thibbs (talk) 03:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Very well. I got it to work by pointing to the redirect. I honestly have no idea why it was broken before since I didn't actually add anything but it is fixed now. --Stabila711 (talk) 03:24, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * So just to clarify, though, it did show up as a redlink for you as well, ? -Thibbs (talk) 03:28, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes it did. It is possible that the server's cache had to catch up to everything. By editing the page it refreshed the server and therefore fixed the link.  This can also be done by purging the page.  But honestly I don't know for sure. --Stabila711 (talk) 03:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK well it's a bluelink now so all is well. Thanks for your very quick assistance! -Thibbs (talk) 03:32, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) The redirect was created the minute before it was linked in . I guess the page creation had not been registered everywhere yet so the article would have needed a server purge to be rendered again and detect the link should be blue. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Left justifying section headings
Looking at the page Holden Gemini, is there any way to left justify the headings such as "TC (1977–1978)" please? I know I can do it by inserting a above the heading but this will leave blank lines all the way down to the bottom of the Infobox. GTHO (talk) 03:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * They are left justified. They are just wrapped around the images. There is a buffer box around each image that extends past the actual border.  Since you have multiple images in a line and relatively short paragraphs the text never exceeds past the buffer.  You would have to move the images for the titles to actually appear all the way over to the left. --Stabila711 (talk) 03:56, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Alex Salmond
Please change this incorrect info: Alex was a resident of Andrew Melville Hall, NOT St Salvator's Hall as incorrectly stated on the Alex Salmond page. He states this himself in a speech - http://www.gov.scot/News/Speeches/Speeches/First-Minister/genassembly09

Please alter the page to include this correct information Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 03:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ In the future, it is alright to wait a little while for requested edits placed on an article's talk page to be put in place. Remember, Wikipedia is not a race.  There is plenty of time to fix and improve our articles. --Stabila711 (talk) 04:11, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Being Charlie is broken
Probably something to do with the infobox. Beyond me. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 04:03, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There was a massive script error a few days ago that caused this problem throughout Wikipedia. If you come across any other articles like that please purge them to fix the problem.  Thanks! --Stabila711 (talk) 04:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 07:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Making us a Page?
Hey my name is Justin, I'm a founder and owner of DarkDougout ReKordz and Artie Boyz Posse. I'm just wondering if you can make a page about us....it'll be granted.... Reply if you want more detail, I got photos and information about my recording studio! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkDougout ReKordz (talk • contribs) 05:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You can submit an article to the Articles for Creation committee and they will review you article. You should never create an article that you have a clear conflict of interest in.  Please make sure you follow all the guidelines for article creating including WP:RS, WP:COPYVIO, WP:V, and WP:NPOV.  In addition, if you company is new it may not yet be up to the standards set in the notability guidelines for organizations.  If this is true then your article will not be accepted for creation.  Good luck! --Stabila711 (talk) 05:24, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , there is no AfC "committee". Individual volunteers review drafts and approve them or decline them. If a draft is decliend it may be edited and resubmitted for review. A reviewer, who may be the same or a different editor as before, will then review the cu8rrent draft. If a reviewer approves a draft, s/he will move it into the main article space. DES (talk) 13:40, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I know how AfC works. My use of the word committee was in regards to the group of people who volunteer to perform reviewing functions.  I admit it is not the best word and I will change it in the future.  In any case, this request is moot as the person has been blocked. --Stabila711 (talk) 13:48, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Pippa Middleton
Please help me - reference number 11 on this page Pippa Middleton and also please put an accent over the word "nee" in the "Parent" section (nee Lupton). Thanks so much Srbernadette (talk) 05:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You should be good now. There was an extra period inside the date which threw off the script.  Also née already has the accent mark on it. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:09, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help but I do not see an accent over the nee in Baroness von Schunck, nee Kate Lupton in the parents section on the Pippa Middleton page. Please help again AND THANKS AGAIN Srbernadette (talk) 06:18, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I didn't see that it was written in more than one spot. All fixed.  When you are in the edit window right above the edit summary box is a drop down that defaults to "Insert."  If you open that and select the "Latin" option the accent marked letters will be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stabila711 (talk • contribs) 06:21, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please check ref. number 13 - it is a film clip. - on the Pippa Middleton page. Please keep in all of the written quotes because we think that that is important. Thanks again.Srbernadette (talk) 06:26, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok. What is wrong with it? Also, you don't have to keep making new sections.  You can add to individual questions by clicking the edit button next to the title (in this case Pippa Middleton). --Stabila711 (talk) 06:29, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

In the section "Parents" Pippa Middleton page - please remove the blue link on the second Gledhow Hall - Gledhow Hall Estate has already been linked in the previous sentence. Do you think this is the right thing to do? Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 06:34, 29 August 2015 (UTC) please can you get it so that when we click on the "Baroness von Schunck, nee Kate Lupton'' link in the "parents" section of thePippa Middleton page, we go STRAIGHT to the relevant section which is near the photo of Joseph Lupton. I really hope you can do this!. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 06:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep. Wikilinks should only be used to point to an article the first time it is mentioned. Subsequent times you can just say the name without linking to it.  To remove wikilinks just delete the   around the word.  So in this instance the link is written as Gledhow Hall .  Change it to just Gledhow Hall and you should be good to go. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You want it to go to the Early Victorians section? To do that you have to add an anchor to the link.  Anchors are added with the # symbol.  So if you want the Baroness von Schunck, née Kate Lupton link to go to that specific section you should write it as Baroness von Schunck, née Kate Lupton . --Stabila711 (talk) 07:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Please help me - I am trying so hard with dates - ref number 14 on the above page. Please fix. I am too tired and want to go to bed! I cannot do it myself! thanks Srbernadette (talk) 08:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You had an extra 0 in the accessdate. You had accessdate=29 August 20015 which threw off the script. --Stabila711 (talk) 08:43, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Apologies for being so "needy". You have been very helpful tonight!. I dare not try to add the name "Francis" in the "ancestry chart" (bottom of the page - in the block named "Michael Middleton" - it should read "Michael Francis Middleton") on the above page. I am too cranky to do it! Please can you do it. I have learnt so much today. thanks so much againSrbernadette (talk) 11:18, 29 August 2015 (UTC) Yes - if you could please do the Pippa Middleton ancestry box Pleesae fix up - I am very grateful for all of your help - but I need this page to be perfect when I am presenting tomorrow - in a few hours - and I will get it wrong I know Thanks so much Srbernadette (talk) 11:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This one is actually not that bad . Next to the ancestry section label click on the edit button.  That will only give you that one section to edit.  Scroll down until you get to the list of names.  I believe the one you are looking to edit is number 2 in that list.  If you want to make sure you are changing the right one, use the "Show preview" button in the edit window.  That will show you what the page will look like if you click "Save page."  Make sure everything looks nice and save. If you really want me to I can make the change, but you should know how to make these changes as well. --Stabila711 (talk) 11:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Stabila711 (talk) 11:38, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

SVG not showing
Why is the infobox image at Bartlett, Illinois not displaying?  Rcsprinter123    (soliloquise)  @ 10:33, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It does work for me on Firefox. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess you mean the 2nd of the 3 images in the infobox? File:DuPage County Illinois incorporated and unincorporated areas Bartlett highlighted.svg? If so, it's not displaying on Commons either although the source file does exist. So the upload was successful but for some reason MediaWiki is having issues rendering it. Nanonic (talk) 10:44, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The image has errored on WikiMedia where it is pulled from. Hang on I am seeing if I can upload a fix. --Stabila711 (talk) 10:45, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * All fixed. The image shows now on the page. I had to upload a replacement for the one that wasn't rendering correctly. --Stabila711 (talk) 10:55, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What did you do to re-upload it? The map now seems to have grey lines where black was, and a white background.  Rcsprinter123    (intone)  @ 11:07, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I just downloaded the file and reuploaded it. I didn't actually change any settings. If there is a difference I don't know what I did to make that difference. --Stabila711 (talk) 11:10, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The file shows up as the OP's work, but you say that you have re-uploaded it? How? I'm not sure what you mean. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 11:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

I am not really sure what you mean. There is a link on the WikiMedia Commons file that allows you to "Upload a new version of this file." There is also a way to download the file from WikiMedia. I download the file and reuploaded it as a new version. --Stabila711 (talk) 11:40, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh I see but still how is that relevant to fixing the image (assuming it was corrupted), but if it was originally showing fine then I understand. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 11:57, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The original file wasn't corrupted. It just wasn't rendering correctly.  If you click on the original file under the file history (the one that shows it as broken), the image comes up.  So the data was still there but for whatever reason the software couldn't render it correctly.  So when I downloaded it, I downloaded working data.  Then I just reuploaded the working data and it rendered. --Stabila711 (talk) 12:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Namespaces
Is there a list of all namespaces in WMF projects?--Eat me, I&#39;m a red bean (discuss • contribs) 10:54, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Help:Namespaces and Special:Search have lists of namespaces. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:55, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant WMF projects, such as Wikisource's "Page", "Index" etc. Eat me, I&#39;m a red bean (discuss • contribs) 11:50, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I can only find a list of default namespaces available to every Wikiproject [//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace]. The problem is that individual projects can make, or remove, namespaces as they see fit and they don't have to log those changes with the WMF (at least not anywhere I can find).  So WikiSource's namespaces may be completely different than WikiMedia's which could be different from the Spanish Wikipedia. --Stabila711 (talk) 12:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hold on, I may have spoke too soon. This page from WikiMedia [//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_default_namespaces] has a list of "extended" namespaces which lists both the "Page" and the "Index" namespace as well as a bunch of other ones.  If you look up the "Page" namespace it is under the Proofread Page section.  If you bring up that page it does list WikiSource as a user.  So I guess there is a list but finding out which projects use which namespaces is a little convoluted. --Stabila711 (talk) 12:11, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Article overwritten
The Joe Kovacs article used to be about someone else and was just overwritten (next edit after diff). Just posting this for the record, someone might want to know. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 16:26, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems like a bot made a mistake and accidentally overwrote the page. This edit was also done on July 12, 2011 so it is a little late to be mentioning it now.  The change will be forever saved in the article's history so you don't have to worry.  If it happens again (and the edit was by a bot, not a vandal) please contact the bots owner.  Links are usually provided on the bot's talk page. --Stabila711 (talk) 16:41, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, User:Twothousendhe11 overwrote the existing article with a new one on 22 May 2012... An admin will need to do a WP:HISTSPLIT - Happysailor  (Talk) 16:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, my bad. Apparently my reading skills need a little dusting off. --Stabila711 (talk) 16:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking at the original Joe Kovacs, he may not reach the notability standards set for entertainers anyways. So if there isn't an article on the other Kovacs a history split would not be necessary correct? --Stabila711 (talk) 17:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that regardless of the original Joe's notability, it would be an out-of-process deletion if nothing was done? So should probably be HISTSPLIT, then a decision made on the original? I left Anthony Appleyard a note since he's up on histmerges etc. - Happysailor  (Talk) 18:38, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I have history-split article Joe Kovacs. The overwriting edit was at 23:20, 21 May 2012‎ by Twothousendhe11. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:56, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Anthony -  Happysailor  (Talk) 17:55, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Happy sailor no reference checks done.
I left a message on the discussion page but I could not sign it had difficulties. However in response to the Noble Party article it exisits in Minnesota as a Minor Party. The Party is an Association and the Secretary of State is utililized as a reference including other references. Happy sailor did no reference checks. Concerning the Old Masonic Order they cannot conclude that the Noble Party serves a King because they are not apart of it. The Noble Party was registered at the VOA while the King was there for parole. However the address will be changed. SEE the Secretary of State and the Noble Party. Please resubmit and discipline Happy Sailor. Please refrence check. This is not a history check this is a business article. And the Noble Party Serves a King. You can Also call and leave a message. Please submit article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theron Preston Washington (talk • contribs) 18:14, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I am really trying to understand exactly what you are having trouble with. There is no article called The Noble Party on Wikipedia.  Please explain what you are trying to do and we can try to assist you. Thanks! --Stabila711 (talk) 18:23, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah this is about an AfC denial. There is nothing anyone here can do about that. The Noble Party of Minnesota does not have any reliable sources that I can find and therefore does not seem right for inclusion in Wikipedia. --Stabila711 (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, please do not ask the Help Desk to discipline an editor. First, there is no conduct issue.  There is an issue about whether an article should exist.  Second, the Help Desk does not sanction editors.  If there were a conduct issue (and there is not), the place to report it would be either WP:ANI or a specialized noticeboard such as WP:AIV for vandalism.  Third, sanctioning an editor is a last step in a dispute after other steps have failed.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:54, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Theron Preston Washington, you can sign posts by using the code  (4 tildes) at the end of your message. On my keyboard, I press  and the hash key (just to the left of the enter button). However, you may find it easier to use the button at the bottom of the edit window that reads "Sign your posts on talk pages:  " instead. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 20:08, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Courtesy pinging User:Happysailor - We are required to ping all users mentioned in discussions. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:15, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Roger, I had seen this, but he posted to my talk just after posting here - so answered there. -  Happysailor  (Talk) 17:55, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * and I have different keyboards. The tilde on mine is and ` (whatever that is) to the left of the 1 key at the upper left corner.—  Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:36, 31 August 2015 (UTC)`

Copying for Wikipedia article
May I copy from a non-profit drug and alcohol rehabilitation center website on behalf of that non-profit so it can have an article about itself on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Conwaysc (talk • contribs) 19:20, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Almost certainly no. The material on the organization's web site is almost certainly copyrighted by the organization, and Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously.  As to the underlying issue of whether the organization can have an article about itself on Wikipedia, that would depend on whether the organization passes general notability guidelines, having been described by independent reliable sources.  If the organization has been written about in multiple reliable sources, the information in those sources, rewritten so as not to be a close paraphrase, would be more likely to present a neutral point of view than the organization's own web site.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:24, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you might have a conflict of interest. Creating an article outright that you have a conflict of interest in is frowned upon here.  Instead, you can use the article for creation feature.  By using this, other editors can check your work to make sure it follows Wikipedia guidelines.  As to "copying," that should be avoided.  Wikipedia has very strict copyright violation guidelines and any copied material will be deleted on sight.  In addition to the copyright violations page please read WP:RS, WP:V, WP:N, and WP:NPOV. --Stabila711 (talk) 19:26, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for asking. I see that this question, a reasonable one although the answer is not what you had probably wanted, was your first edit to Wikipedia.  The welcome banner that has been posted to your user talk page gives information on policies and guidelines.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:45, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

convert: invalid number
Any idea why putting the convert template in the infobox mountain range template gives a "convert: invalid number" error? On its own its fine:  produces 250 km. Brycehughes (talk) 21:25, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I am guessing it has something to do with using a convert template inside the length_km parameter. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:29, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. I am an idiot :) Brycehughes (talk) 21:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The documentation for  at Template:Infobox mountain range says "Length and width of range, in kilometers, as a number. Will automatically convert to miles." Here "as a number" means it must be a pure number. Some infoboxes and other templates make numerical calculations on some of the parameters but this gives an error if the parameter is not a number. The error comes from a template called by the infobox which tries to use convert on  .   produces the same error message since letters like "km" is disallowed in the parameter. I can understand you were confused when you happened to use convert yourself and got an error message which was actually about another convert. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

adding a jpg from my own files
How can I add a jpeg from my own files on my page 'Craig Sheppard'? I want to do this in the Infobox in the upper right hand corner of the page, but I don't know how to bring up the Infobox, nor how to insert the jpg.

Mufeng329 (talk) 22:04, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Where did the image come from Mufeng? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:12, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * . Wikipedia will never display images by linking them externally: the image must first be uploaded to Wikimedia commons (or in some circumstances to Wikipedia itself) and can then be used in an article. Orangemike's question is pertinent, because if you do not hold the copyright in the image then you probably cannot use it. But if it is a picture you took yourself, then you can: go to the Upload wizard to upload it. --ColinFine (talk) 22:47, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

It is a picture taken of me by a friend. He gave me the rights to use it whenever I wanted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mufeng329 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

...and I have it on two or three locations on my laptop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mufeng329 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Now, I've gone to the Upload Wizard, and my head is spinning. So many choices. Am I registered yet (I think I've done more than ten edits). But, I only signed up yesterday for the first, so maybe I have to wait. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mufeng329 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, . I'm afraid this area is complicated. If your friend took the picture, then he, not you, owns the copyright, and it must be he, not you that gives permission. (He also needs to understand that permission to use it on Wikipedia is not enough: because one of the goals of Wikipedia is to provide a free resource, he will be required to release it under a Creative Commons licence, which allows anybody to reuse it for any purpose.)
 * There are two ways that you and he can go about this. The simpler is for him to upload it (uploading to commons doesn't require autoconfirmation, though I believe it still requires an account). Then he can answer the questions about licensing it on his own behalf. The other is for him to send an email licensing it, using the procedure and template in commons:commons:Email templates. Then you can upload it to commons, with the text OTRS pending, which gives notice that there is an email coming.
 * I also feel bound to point out that it may be a waste of time putting a picture on Craig Sheppard before addressing the much more important issues mentioned at the top of the page. You should be aware of Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living people and of conflict of interest, and understand that almost 100% of a Wikipedia article should be based on writing about the subject by people who have no connection with the subject. Please see also WP:NMUSIC and referencing for beginners. A photo is the cherry on top, but unless that article is improved hugely, especially in its referencing, it is likely to be deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 10:29, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Other editors seem to be contributing to, and improving the article, so it probably won't be deleted, but you used the words my page in your question. No article belongs to any editor in Wikipedia, even if they created it and it is about them. The article may, in future, have to be renamed if other notable Craig Sheppards emerge.    D b f i r s   15:53, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Some editors including me, have been trying to improve the article, but at least one experienced editor proposed it for deletion, and it might be nominated for a deletion discussion at any point. if it were put up for WP:AFD as it stands at this moment, it would quite likely be deleted. It urgently needs more independent, reliable sources that discuss the subject in some detail. It should also read less like a CV. If you can provide such sources, you might post them on the article talk page. Aside from the question of deletion, i agree with all that has been said above, don't spend time or effort on an image until n7until notability is well-established, although you could send your friend the license info linked above. DES (talk) 16:07, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Siegel and Mr. Fine, I am incredibly grateful to you for the work you, and others, have done already, believe me. I know that we are not meant to be writing articles/bios in the first person - I understand fully the conflict of interest there - but I didn't think I could ask any of my friends to take the time to do this for me. As it happens, I do know someone who teaches computer science at Carnegie Mellon who is willing to help. I believe he will rewrite the text - at least to the extent that it doesn't read like a c.v. - and add citations. So, please sit tight, and ask your editors not to delete the article. I appreciate your patience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mufeng329 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

We will forego the picture for the moment. I want to get the text right! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mufeng329 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 30 August 2015 (UTC)