Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 August 9

= August 9 =

Stern warning in source
While working on User:Jakec/Sutton Creek (Susquehanna River), I came upon this source, which has an unusually stern warning ordering people not to "use or reproduce the data in these links for research or publishing purposes". I'm assuming that a) that only applies to the wholesale copying of data, not merely using it as a source and b) that even if A were not true, nobody would be legally obligated to follow that demand, but thought it would be good to make sure before rolling it into mainspace. --Jakob (talk)  aka Jakec  01:41, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * They can say it all they want, but the law is pretty darned clear and long-settled: facts cannot be copyrighted or trademarked; only the presentation, wording, etc. is subject to copyright and trademarking. That said: IANAL. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  02:03, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. It looks to me like just a stronger version of the usual copyright notice.  If you cite any facts that are in the source, in your words, and the copyright owner has the audacity to issue a takedown notice, the ball is in the WMF's court, and they have good lawyers.  By the way, the user page draft looks to be in good shape and ready to be moved into article space.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:38, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , IANAL either, but I think I have a fair notion of US copyright law for a non-laywer. I agree with the two comments above. Moreover, the US courts have developed a doctrine of "abuse of copyright". If a copyright holder attempts to preclude legitimate fair use rights by an unjustified copyright claim, an court can declare this to be an "abuse of copyright" and void the holder's copyright completely, placing the work in the public domain. This is rarely done, but the specter of it can help to restrain dubious claims. DES (talk) 04:03, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. I've gone ahead and moved the article to mainspace. --Jakob (talk)  aka Jakec  15:19, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Sacred Heart Catholic High School, Newcastle upon Tyne
Can you check that we can now remove the "problem" tags at the top of this page. I have tried to add the relevant citations etc Thanks t. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.217.169 (talk) 05:26, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The first 3 references are not independent of the subject, and the fourth one doesn't mention the subject. You need reliable sources independent of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:47, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Is reference 23 (from a book) correctly done on the above page (Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge)? I do not know how to do it as a book. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.217.169 (talk) 06:24, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * See Template:Cite book - NQ (talk)  06:36, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Martineau family
Please help - What have I done wrong with ref. 5 on this page? cheers guys - you are a great help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.217.169 (talk) 06:50, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Same issue as before Help desk/Archives/2015_August 1. Please see Help:CS1 errors- NQ (talk)  07:48, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

About Signature
When Sign anything the time is singed according to UTC. But I live in India how to change the time that will be signed Krishna Chaitanya Velaga   Talk 06:59, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * See Comments in Local Time, a gadget that displays time in signatures relative to your local time. - NQ (talk)  08:01, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

St Andrew's School, Pangbourne
There is something odd about the first few ref. on this page - Are they incorrectly done citations? Should they be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.217.169 (talk) 07:07, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * They weren't citations, merely numbers enclosed in brackets. I've removed them and replaced some with named refs. - NQ (talk)  07:56, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Zensar Technologies
Just out of curiosity, why does the image in the infobox at Zensar Technologies have double red rectangles around it? Deli nk (talk) 12:46, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * In User:Deli nk/vector.js you have enabled the link classifier. It uses double red borders to draw attention to non free images. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:05, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * D'oh! I forgot about that.  Thank you.  Deli nk (talk) 13:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Correcting a Wikipedia Content's Title
Greetings,

I recently discovered that someone unauthorized created a Wikipedia entry called Meyer Little Toot.

This refers to the history of The Little Toot Biplane created by George Meyer.

I am the webmaster for Meyer Aircraft and neither the owner of Meyer Aircraft nor I were ever contacted about creating this entry.

That said, I have spent all morning correcting the information in the entry because we think it is a good idea to have it, as long as it meets our terms.

We are almost there. Here's where we need your help. The entry name is not just what it should be.

The Biplane is not Meyer Little Toot, it's Meyer's Little Toot. The entry should be in the English possessive tense.

Please change the entry's title accordingly to Meyer's Little Toot and we'll be fine with it.

Little Toot Biplane — Preceding unsigned comment added by Little Toot Biplane (talk • contribs) 18:38, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ I have moved the page, though you should understand that it is not because you (webmaster for Meyer Aircraft) have requested it, but because it appears to be the correct name for the subject. As an employee or associate of Meyer Aircraft, you have a conflict of interest and should not be adding or removing any content from this article directly.  I will need to review the changes you have made to see if they require either reversion or a  tag to be placed on the article to point out that non-neutral editing may have occurred.  In the future, I suggest that you limit yourself to offering suggestions on the Talk page of this article, while being careful to reveal your connection to the company and/or person that produced the subject aircraft.   General Ization   Talk   18:45, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, please note that no "authorization" by or consultation with Meyer Aircraft or any of its employees/associates is required for the creation or maintenance of any article on Wikipedia. Please read WP:OWN carefully.  General Ization   Talk   18:48, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Last, please confirm my impression that exactly one (1) of this aircraft was produced, i.e. this aircraft was never mass-produced and offered for retail sale. It's difficult to determine this conclusively from the article as it currently stands, and it should be more clear to the reader if this is (or is not) the case. It also may be a factor in weighing the subject's notability.  General Ization   Talk   19:03, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * (Update: This suggests otherwise, in the sense that plans for the aircraft are sold and any aircraft so constructed is called a "Meyer's Little Toot". The article here seems to primarily talk about the original aircraft built by George Meyer N61G, but this requires clarification.)  General Ization   Talk   19:33, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Section heading help
See Benjamin Tallmadge. At the bottom of the section are four facts about the subject individual that are out of place in that section and need their own, but I'm at a loss as to a heading. "Eponyms" doesn't work because he is the eponym, not those things, per dictionary. Suggestions? &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  23:27, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have tentatively moved these four items into a section called Namesakes.  General Ization  Talk   23:47, 9 August 2015 (UTC)