Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 December 12

= December 12 =

Draft:This_Week_Newspaper | Mouseover Reference Numbers
Hi everyone!

I'm an editing newbie working on the draft at Draft:This Week Newspaper

Try as I might and despite web research, I've failed to nail the Wiki markup needed for reference number mouseovers. There appear to be different methods but I'm not familiar enough with code to determine a good practice standard. I've turned to the Open Data Institute who are all about coding standards and provided the example below:

The mouseover code they use for '[4]" in the sentence 'There are currently 13 nodes acting as catalysts for open data business development and training." can be seen at Open Data Institute

Any advice would be welcome. I just need pointing in the right direction. :)

Best wishes, Terry   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caerhys (talk • contribs) 13:45, 30 November 2015‎ (UTC)


 * It looks like reference popups do not work in the draft namespace. Unknown technical bug. In Sandbox the popups in your draft work well. This means it will work when the draft gets published. Read also WP:SIGNATURE. --Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 14:46, 30 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caerhys (talk • contribs) 13:45, 30 November 2015‎ (UTC)


 * Hey! That's great news. Thanks. I shall press on regardless.

Caerhys (talk) 14:27, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Anonymous IP address ability to edit
I have an anonymous IP address. How come there are some pages that I am able to edit? And some that I am not? Just for example: if I go to the Computing Help Desk and Reference Desk, I have the ability to edit (or to post a question). However, if I go to the Humanities Help Desk and Reference Desk, I do not have the ability to edit (or to post a question). What's up? 2602:252:D13:6D70:F5D3:7304:BB0:C40C (talk) 05:55, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * There is a great deal of sockpettury and trolling at the Reference Desks. They often need to be semi-protected against trolls and other troublemakers.  If you want to post questions constructively, why don't you create an account and get auto-confirmed?  Robert McClenon (talk) 06:09, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. But why at some Ref Desks, but not others? 2602:252:D13:6D70:F5D3:7304:BB0:C40C (talk) 07:40, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The semi-protected ones have had recent anonymous IP edits from banned editors whose purpose is other than asking genuine questions. One of them responds with offensive comments when discovered.  If you create an account, then you will not notice the difference.    D b f i r s   09:10, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. So, the situation is that these trouble-makers frequent certain Ref Desks, but not others?   2602:252:D13:6D70:784E:2B1F:636D:EA30 (talk) 16:53, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Basically, the policy is to make the semi-protection short. As a result, whatever desk has been most frequently and recently visited by trolls will be semi-protected.  Then the trolls will move to a different reference desk, and it will be semi-protected, and the previous one will come off semi-protection.  It is Whack-a-Mole.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:47, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Got it. Thanks. 2602:252:D13:6D70:784E:2B1F:636D:EA30 (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, all. 2602:252:D13:6D70:AD7B:1D0E:9493:80BB (talk) 04:19, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

checking on when my contribution will be posted/reviewed
Hello, I submitted a contribution about Robert J. Vinson and it has not been made "live" yet. Please advise how long this will take. Kind regards, Nicole Nicoletinamuj (talk) 07:02, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You have not submitted it for review yet. I have added instructions on how to do this at the top of the page: Draft:Robert J. Vinson, Founder Vinson Real Estate Group. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 07:50, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I renamed your draft to Draft:Robert J. Vinson. It needs to have the references put in-line.  If it is submitted in its current form, it will be declined as a biography of a living person that is lacking in-line citations.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:55, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Twinkle not working?
It's checked in my Preferences, and was just working a few minutes ago, now the options are gone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giooo95 (talk • contribs) 07:18, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You could try bypassing your browser cache. If that doesn't fix it, then post again here with your browser name and version and perhaps someone will be able to suggest something. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:19, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Nope, still nothing. Chrome and Version47.0.2526.80 m --Giooo95 (talk) 08:23, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I just noticed it loads for the initial load on my phone or another computer, but then the Twinkle Menu disappears once I navigate to another page.--Giooo95 (talk) 17:09, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Quotation to begin the article
Hello, Would it be acceptable to start an article with a quotation ? Is there a rule that prohibits this ? For instance, a biographic article that begins with a quotation from the person ? In my opinion, this can add great value to the article. Appreciate your advice. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sisu55 (talk • contribs) 08:14, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "A man is comparable to his actions, and not his words" - Anonymous. That being said, there are a set of standards for the opening of an article, which I believe Lede may be able to help you with -- samtar whisper 09:04, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * An article should start by explaining who or what it is about. If you create an article that starts in some other way, it is likely that other editors will correct it. Maproom (talk) 10:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Baseless notification of having been mentioned
I've got a system alert to have been mentioned in this edit, which is not the case. What might be the reason? --KnightMove (talk) 09:41, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Ok - I've got it myself. --KnightMove (talk) 09:47, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * What caused it ? -- samtar whisper 09:51, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The edit accidentally used curly brackets instead of square brackets when referring to WT:FILM, so the whole of that talk page was briefly included in the BLP noticeboard. The system sent a notification to everyone mentioned on the film talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:09, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, the limit was increased from 20 to 50 in August.[//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:Echo&diff=1863782&oldid=1686403]. Before that it wouldn't have happened. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Alex Karras
In the 70's I worked as a waitress at a sports bar in downtown Lansing named Alex's Point After. I believed it was owned by Alex Karras and would like to verify that. Any help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callibefree (talk • contribs) 09:56, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your question. Unfortunately this is the Help Desk for queries relating to editing Wikipedia. Questions such as yours are better suited to the Reference Desk. Good luck -- samtar whisper 10:00, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Photo of Henry Cele
I am appealing the decision to pull down the photo of Henry Cele on his Wikipedia bio page. Restore the photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruckermisikir2 (talk • contribs) 11:16, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The file File:Henry_Cele_(1949_-_2007).jpg was deleted due to lack of permission. You must obtain a permission for the release of this photo under a free license from its copyright holder in order to use the image in Wikipedia. Or alternatively you should provide a fair use rational. Ruslik_ Zero 11:50, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Filtering curation from watch list
For pages on my watch list I am interested in only the latest edit, deletion, or move. Recently, however, my watch list is getting clogged with page curation and deletion tag entries--often multiple for the same file. I don't mind giving that info to those who find it useful, but is there a way to configure my watch list to suppress it? —teb728 t c 11:47, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you tried WP:VPT?— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:31, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. —teb728 t c 05:45, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key
This request was passed from a Cite error message on Tweed, Ontario what am I doing wrong?l santry (talk) 13:59, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Fixed with this edit. The demographics table has an embedded reference in it which had the same name as the one that was being used in the article proper. So, when the page tried to summarize the references, it found two references with different content. I've renamed the reference in the article, since renaming it in the table might cause problems elsewhere, which has fixed the error.  Dismas |(talk) 14:11, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way, you can change the name I used for the reference if you don't like it for whatever reason. It just needs to be different than what it was before. Dismas |(talk) 14:13, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you!!!!! :) l santry (talk) 14:30, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Jane Alexander
This performance by Jane Alexander is missing from her bio!

Overview Who's Who Preview Explore Backstage

Who’s Who The Lady From Dubuque by Edward Albee directed by David Esbjornson CAST The Lady from Dubuque

Elizabeth: Jane Alexander Lucinda: Catherine Curtin Sam: Michael Hayden Oscar: Peter Francis James Carol: Tricia Paoluccio Jo: Laila Robins Edgar: Thomas Jay Ryan Fred: C.J. Wilson CREATIVE TEAM

Scenic Design: John Arnone Costume Design: Elizabeth Hope Clancy Lighting Design: David Lander Sound Design: John Gromada Fight Direction: Rick Sordelet Production Stage Manager: David H. Lurie Stage Manager: Andrew C. Gottlieb Casting: Telsey + Company Cast Jane Alexander Elizabeth Cast — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.57.100.16 (talk) 14:32, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * You seem to be referring to an actress. We have two articles about actresses named Jane Alexander and it's not clear which one you're talking about. I'm not even sure if you're talking about a film or play. That said, Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. You can add this credit if you like. Dismas |(talk) 14:52, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Cloaking links on a page so Related Changes doesn't consider them
Is there a way to cloak links on a page so Related Changes doesn't act on them? I'd like to do Related Changes on a page, but there are links in a navigation header I want RC to ignore. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:33, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

To restate from a different angle, in the case I'm thinking of, if the links are inside a transcluded template, is there a way to make them not show up on Related Changes? Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:41, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Random example: LaRue County, Kentucky currently has links to a bunch of articles, including Malt, Kentucky and Tanner, Kentucky, both of which transclude the template but otherwise don't link to each other. If you edit Malt, the edit shows up at S:RC/Tanner, Kentucky and S:RC/T:LaRue County, Kentucky.  If you edit the template, the edit shows up at S:RC/Malt, Kentucky and S:RC/Tanner, Kentucky.  Are you talking about a situation similar to editing Malt or editing LaRue County, Kentucky, or something else altogether?  Or are you trying to get S:RC/Malt, Kentucky to ignore a change you make to Tanner?  Nyttend (talk) 18:09, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I would like to have an option where only links in the base article wikitext are considered, even if any of them happen to appear in any templates on the page. The example that triggers my need is this, where articles not appearing on the Popular pages list nevertheless appear in RC, because they are inside the project banner (e.g., Wendell Willkie comes from a parent project's alerts).  I need to keep the project banner on that page, but I don't want its links considered for RC.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 23:54, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, explaining this further helps me think of a workaround. I can create a "superpage" that has the banner and includes the popular pages content, and run RC against that content only.  That should do it.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 23:57, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Didn't work due to a template include size limit. Drats. Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 00:54, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Michael Wade
I am an English actor, Michael Wade, born in Brighton on the 2nd of July 1946. On Wikipedia there is a Canadian actor of the same name who was born in 1944 and died in 2004. On his CV are listed various films and TV productions which actually were my work. I have tried to correct this but it always reverts to the Canadian actor's version. How do I do this and create my own page? Please help. MichaelWade 14:51, 12 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.152.99.92 (talk)


 * To answer your second point first, you shouldn't. You have a conflict of interest. Please see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for more. Dismas |(talk) 14:53, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * To answer your second point first, you shouldn't. You have a conflict of interest. Please see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for more. Dismas |(talk) 14:53, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Tagging since I just found that he has an account.  Dismas |(talk) 15:01, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * And after checking IMDB (keeping in mind WP:RS/IMDB), all the credits for that Michael Wade seem to be correct. Dismas |(talk) 15:04, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * How did you check the correctness of the IMDB entries? Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:33, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * As far as I understand the system, film credits are normally provided by the film studios, directors, etc. Not users. Part of this comes from my own experience since I have an IMDB profile. (Yes, I know... WP:OR. I'm not saying that it's infallible.) Dismas |(talk) 16:40, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but how would that solve the problem at hand? What would IMDB, or the film studios that provide the data to it, do to disambiguate two people of the same name? Studio A tells IMDB: Role X in our production So-and-So was played by Michael Wade. Studio B tells IMDB: Role Y in our production Whatsitsname was placed by Michael Wade. Nobody here has raised any doubt that both pieces of information are true. But how will we ever find out if they concern the same Michael Wade or two different people? Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:29, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks like Fut.Perf. has found a novel solution: nominating Michael Wade for deletion. Regardless, what you might want to do is to contact IMDb to try to get them to correct their credits. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:54, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Normally,, IMDB credits are not provided by users. One time I asked what to do if no one had done it and they told me to do it. I found what I believed were reliable sources but the whole thing ended up a big mess. It was a TV movie.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:35, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Format citation to formset HTML webpage
I tried to add a citation of a webpage to an article. This links to a webpage that uses HTML framesets. Thus, I must give two URLs, one to the particular chapter, and one to the top-level frameset page, for the latter would otherwise be hard to find from the former. I currently just added the second url as a comment after the citation, like this.
 * table of contents at http://www.antonis.de/qbebooks/gwbasman/

I'd like to know the best way to format this kind of citation. Is there a specific parameter of template:cite web I should be using? Feel free to edit right in the article instead of here. &#x2013; b_jonas 14:55, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:06, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that seems to work. &#x2013; b_jonas 15:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:06, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that seems to work. &#x2013; b_jonas 15:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Unable to change name of article
Recently India national highway numbers Have been changed, but wiki still showing old numbers , but i haveno option to change it to new numbers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratapkagitha (talk • contribs) 16:18, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * When you make three more eidts you will be autoconfirmed and get an option to move pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:21, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Death
I would like to make known that Jon Gadsby comedian of New Zealand passed away. Details of his death are available online — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.56.209.183 (talk) 18:20, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks somebody has already updated the article Jon Gadsby. MilborneOne (talk) 18:33, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Capitalization
I've tried finding the relevant info at WP:MOSCAPS and WP:MOSTITLE, but maybe I've missed something. Should I capitalize The son of a migrant from Syria? That's the title per various sources including CNN and Banksy's website. (actually the title doesn't have "The" capitalized now I think about it) Should the article title and name of the mural throughout the article be capitalized like ones found at Category:Works by Banksy or not? APK whisper in my ear  20:33, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Carrapicho
Reference help requested.

On the Carrapicho page, your edit caused a broken reference name (help). (Fix | Ask for help) Would someone please fix this, I don't know how.

Thanks, Tmguynup (talk) 23:41, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed: Your translation contained a named ref which was dependent on the first ref, which was unnamed. I fixed it by copying  to that first ref. —teb728 t c 06:31, 13 December 2015 (UTC)