Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 December 19

= December 19 =

Surname on new page Daniel_vuletic is not capitalized... please help
I also added a first reference, hope it works. Most references are in italian, I'll work on them, still I think the article has now the reference needed to erase the red note... Correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tquerel (talk • contribs) 00:51, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It appears it has already been corrected to Daniel Vuletic unless you are suggesting it should be lowercase. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:54, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, . has moved the page to the correct title, Daniel Vuletic. He has also removed the 'PROD', as there is now a reference. However, the article still has not even one reference to a substantial independent source about Vuletic: it therefore fails to establish that he is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense), and the article may very well be nominated for deletion. References in Italian are perfectly acceptable if there are no suitable ones in English; but they must meet the criteria of being independent of Vuletic and his associates; published in a reliable place; and containing substantial material about him (not just a listing as the Allmusic reference does). --ColinFine (talk) 01:58, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Mikhail Markhasev
I would like to create a biographical article about Mikhail Markhasev, the killer of Bill Cosby's son, Ennis. I noticed that in Wikipedia that there is a redirect already named "Mikhail Markhasev" and it links to the article, Murder of Ennis Cosby. How do I create the article? Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 02:08, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The relevant notability guideline would be WP:CRIMINAL, which says that biographical details should go in the article about the crime. Once the details on the perpetrator become too long, it can be spun off into its own article.  At that time, you can overwrite the redirect with the merged contents from the article on the crime. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:44, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

RE: Riot V biography
You guys completely left out an important, critical part of the rock band Riots' history - the San Antonio Connection to the band. I know this because I was somewhat involved, although indirectly. here's the deal:

In 1976, there was a disc jockey named Joe Anthony in San Antonio, TX who used to play a lot of off-the-beaten-path music that was not being played by mainstream stations, and KISS-FM radio was the station he worked at. I know this because my father used to handle the finances of the owner, a man named Howard Davis I think who was an eccentric millionaire who supposedly owned the KMAC(am) and KISS(fm) radio stations as some kind of a tax shelter. Anyhow, Joe Anthony and another guy who was my fathers' client Lou Roney ran the station and basically played any music they wanted to. As a result, bands like Judas Priest, Sammy Hagar, Montrose, Kiss, and many others, including Riot got airtime where other stations would not give them the time of day. joe and Lou used to own an Italian restuarant, the Villa that was out by UTSA in San Antonio, and it was a well known fact that after concerts in San Antonio, the bands had a standing invitation to the villa for drinks and a photo. There were literally hundreds of those photos all over the restuarant with all of the popular bands of the era (1976-1982)....

At Any rate, I was a neighbor of Mark Reale when he was dating a girl who lived in Universal City, TX back in 1982-1984. The Bass player in the band, Kip Leming dated one of my high school classmates for a few years. I used to see Mark and jog with him regularly, as he was somehwta of a health nut. I would find out later on in the coming months that he suffered from crone's disease, which the complications of which eventually killed him in 2012. He was a really nice guy and later on I befriended Peter Bitelli the original drummer for the band in the late 1980s. I think he is a stock broker in New York now, and his grandmother used to live in San Antonio. Both Mark and Peter told me on separate occasions that their very first plane ride anywhere was when Joe and Lou (representing 99.5 KISS radio) bought plane tickets for the band to come to San Antonio and play a show at Randy's Rodeo, and old venue that no longer exists. This is important because that was really how the band got their start, after that came the albums and the fame. I certainly hope this information makes it into a future revision of your Wiki biography of what was a great band, that was never recognized for their contributions to hard rock.......Please feel free to contact me anytime.....

Thanks,

Miles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2C66:AF0:492E:7313:716B:1D60 (talk) 04:42, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * There's a lot of useful information included in this post, and you should consider copying it to Talk:Riot V. Thanks for providing so much detail about this.  The best way to get something added to Wikipedia, though, is to provide a source, such as a newspaper or magazine article.  You've provided enough detail here that someone else can probably locate a source for it, but the article's talk page is the best place to alert interested people. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:51, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

How to create article on Wikipedia for business with notability guidelines?
Please help me in creating a company page on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.203.72.19 (talk) 09:49, 19 December 2015 (UTC)


 * There is no such thing as a "company page" on Wikipedia, but there are pages about companies, preferably written by editors who have no connection with the company and containing only information published outside the company. You might like to read Notability (organizations and companies) and Conflict of interest and Your first article.    D b f i r s   10:47, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * ... (later) ... Your article is likely to be deleted because you have given no indication that the company is notable (see link above). Show us where reliable independent sources have written about it.    D b f i r s   23:12, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.69.25.170 (talk) 12:14, 19 December 2015‎ (UTC)


 * The error message says: "Cite error: A (see the help page)." The word "help" is in blue, indicating that it is a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:30, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Merger discussion
I've already posted this on wikiproject business:

Talk:Stock-taking

Talk:Logistics_management

Since nobody manifested, I am asking here for help. Lbertolotti (talk) 13:15, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Archiving
Hi, I was doing some archiving of links on Udim anonymously, and my edit wasn't saved. The site assumed archiving as spam. Is there is a way to fix it? Many thanks.--184.97.149.210 (talk) 18:13, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure quite what you mean by "archiving of links" - if you could explain what you were trying to do, we might be able to help - Arjayay (talk) 18:41, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=184.97.149.210 filter log] shows, I think, that the editor was trying to add archiveurl parameters to citations. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:52, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you said "I think" John of Reading - I struggle trying to understand Abuse filter logs - which is why I asked what the editor was trying to do - Arjayay (talk) 19:23, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * John of Reading is right. That was exactly what I was trying to do.--184.97.149.210 (talk) 22:30, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * And now I have the same issue with Steve Tomac... Just added an archiveurl and the thing wont take it! If refs are dead they need to be archived aren't they?--184.97.149.210 (talk) 17:44, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, adding archiveurl links to archive.org is a good idea, and it's a pity that the edit filter isn't clever enough to distinguish this from spamming of unhelpful links. I think your best course here is to register an account. Once you've made ten edits with the account, and have been registered for four days, the edit filter won't bother you again. -- John of Reading (talk) 22:13, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Italics within citations
Is it permissable to use italics within a citation?

I added some italics to the publisher parameter within the Jim Draper article and had the edits reverted...see talk page.

I have seen it done in other articles....

Could I please have some guidance? ThanksGomach (talk) 18:18, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Only work, newspaper, and journal parameters are self italicized. Others don't need to be. That's why it was reverted.--184.97.149.210 (talk) 18:20, 19 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Is it optional...can one choose to italicise the publisher? What are the exact rules?Gomach (talk) 19:47, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It is not optional. The value supplied to many of the  parameters is made part of the citation's metadata.  The metadata are read by various tools that are external to Wikipedia so should be clean.  Adding wikimarkup corrupts the metadata.  publisher is one of the parameters that is included in the metadata.  All of this is documented in the  and other cs1|2 templates.  See Template:Cite_web.


 * Formatting of the elements that makeup a rendered cs1|2 citation is the purpose and purview of the templates. Long-standing consensus has established that certain parameters are rendered the way they are.  This styling usually follows one or more of the standard published style guides like APA style, The Chicago Manual of Style, etc.


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 20:07, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Deleting User Account
Can someone please tell me how to delete the 'user log-in' I created today? Obviously, I have no privacy rights here, no option to remove info about myself that I would rather not have posted so publicly. (my birth name and place, and my husband's name). So there is no need to 'have an account' as I have no interest in posting articles on this site. If someone could please inform me how to delete my 'account' I would be very appreciative. Thank you, Sue-Ellen Welfonder — Preceding unsigned comment added by Welfonder (talk • contribs) 20:37, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Because Wikipedia content is licensed under the GFDL and the CC-BY-SA, all edits must be kept for attribution purposes, and so your account cannot be deleted. You do, however, have the right to vanish, which you can exercise by (1) requesting your user page (found at Special:Mypage) and subpages be deleted, by adding the template to them; (2) requesting to change your username to something that is unconnected with you (possibly a random collection of letters and numbers); (3) never logging in to your account again. The "right to vanish" does not mean anyone has the right to a fresh start under a new identity. Anyone who wants to continue editing should request a change of username instead so edits can be reattributed. --Stabila711 (talk) 20:49, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * User accounts can't be deleted, the database needs them to keep track of who made which edit. But your user account Welfonder reveals nothing personal about you.
 * However, I see that you have repeatedly removed information from the article Sue-Ellen Welfonder, and other editors have restored it. Wikipedia has strict rules about what information can be presented in articles about living persons, see WP:BLP. In particular, nothing defamatory should appear without good references to support it. But personal information, such as birth name and place, name of spouse, and name of children, should also be respected as private. I am far from an expert in understanding and applying the policies stated at WP:BLP, but it seems to me that the personal information at Sue-Ellen Welfonder should be removed. I shall remove it now, and tell the people who have been restoring it why I have done so. If I am wrong, likely a more experienced editor will read this and correct me. Maproom (talk) 21:02, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think that's fair. Sue-Ellen doesn't give her birth name, or her husband's name, on her own website, so she deserves that privacy.  We would need to obtain the assistance of an administrator to hide the edit history.    D b f i r s   23:04, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand the authors concern for privacy, however in general that information isn't typically considered sensitive or private (see WP:BLPPRIVACY). This desire is rather moot since it is found in multiple places both online (  and ) and in print . I'm not against it being removed, but it is just a form of security theater - in that while removing it from here will look good, it will not necessarily give her the privacy she is looking for since the information is available in multiple other places. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:54, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, the collection of information can be pieced together from the various interviews, but it is not all given in one place. I agree that the privacy issue is borderline, but the advice says: "Consider whether the inclusion of names of living private individuals who are not directly involved in an article's topic adds significant value. The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons. The names of any immediate, ex, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to editorial discretion that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject. However, names of family members who are not also notable public figures must be removed from an article if they are not properly sourced".  In view of the facts that the subject describes herself as "a very private person" and that she has had an upsetting internet experience in the past, I think we should give her the benefit of the doubt.    D b f i r s   00:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, as stated, I'm not against it's removal. Just that the author should be aware the information is widely available in places beyond Wikipedia. Tiggerjay (talk) 22:31, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, agreed. She was, perhaps, just rather too relaxed in some interviews.   D b f i r s   07:48, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Editing weblinks in the references.
Looked all over trying to find out how to alter a web link in the references, but no luck.

Page is Andrew Paterson photographer, and three references (8-15-22) now have a wrong link since the cited page has moved.

Needs redirecting/editing to read:

8. "THE PATERSON TECHNIQUE," Paterson's Inverness Portraits, July 2013, pp38-39, http://content.yudu.com/Library/A3y933/PatersonsInvernessPo/resources/

15. "PATERSON - ARTIST-PHOTOGRAPHER," Paterson's Inverness Portraits, July 2013, pp8-9, http://content.yudu.com/Library/A3y933/PatersonsInvernessPo/resources/

22. "CAMERONS' COMFORTS FUND," Paterson's Inverness Portraits, July 2013, p11, http://content.yudu.com/Library/A3y933/PatersonsInvernessPo/resources/

Can anyone provide me with the procedure to do this?

cheers Adrian (talk) 20:56, 19 December 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅. The article is Andrew Paterson (photographer). It was easier to do than to describe. Thank you for providing the new URLs. Maproom (talk) 21:13, 19 December 2015 (UTC)


 * References are usually written and edited where they are used in the article text and not where they are displayed in a references section. See more at Help:Referencing for beginners. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:15, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that and for the leads to guides. Unfortunately the new link for Ref: 22 was missed and Ref:21 was altered instead, which will need to be returned to original source credit as well.

Adrian (talk) 00:31, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Adrian, for noticing this. I have now (I hope) put it right. Maproom (talk) 08:54, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Cheers Maproom. Adrian (talk) 19:01, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Most recent edit
When did the bold text next to the most recent edit to a page in the user contributions change from "(top)" to "(current)"? GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:41, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/GeoffreyT2000?uselang=qqx says "(uctop)" in that position so the text is from MediaWiki:uctop. There is currently no page there at the English Wikipedia so the MediaWiki default is used. We had a deleted page which changed from "(top)" to "(current)" 24 February 2013 ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=MediaWiki%3AUctop&timestamp=20130224194233&diff=prev admin-only diff]). 58049 shows the MediaWiki default made the same change in June 2013, so there was no change when we deleted our page in April 2014. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:10, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Looking for editing information
I am assisting in the teaching of a graduate course where we have asked students to create and edit wikipedia entries. I am looking for the editing information for each student such as where a student made revisions. I am unable to find the revision history for user 570wdw in any articles. 570lem (talk) 23:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Click the "User contributions" link in the left pane of a user page like your own User:570lem to see the edits of the user. For 570wdw it gives Special:Contributions/570wdw. There are many edits to Tolerable weekly intake and one to Tebufenpyrad. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 20 December 2015 (UTC)