Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 February 9

= February 9 =

Moving comments from a draft talk page to a mainspace talk page?
Dear editors: I was checking out a page in the Draft namespace, and found that it had been copied into mainspace by the same editor. According to the history merge guidelines, the fragment isn't needed for attribution purposes so I deleted it. However, the draft had a talk page, Draft talk:Katie Boulter, which has information about the notability of the draft. Should this be copied to the mainspace talk page, with a note about its origin, or should it be deleted with the talk page? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 00:39, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Anne, the discussion is relevant to the article, and should not be deleted if at all possible. I would move it to the new talk page. A note about the origin would be great. All the best, Taketa (talk) 01:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Taketa. I did that.  I just wanted to make sure before moving another editor's comment. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 03:12, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Image uploading (infobox) - Basics
Hi,

I've never fully understood the formalities of uploading / changing an image, since I'm stuck on simply how to present it essentially. An example is the page Mauro Icardi, where I am trying to change the first picture, in the infobox, to the following:

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Mauro+Icardi+FC+Internazionale+Milano+v+Udinese+GJDZrK3Q9bfl.jpg

It was my understanding this was a simple replacement process but there appears to be lot more to it than that. I've visited the help page on uploading images, but am unaware of how to present it in the editing page of the infobox, i.e. whether it is, for example, image = http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Mauro+Icardi+FC+Internazionale+Milano+v+Udinese+GJDZrK3Q9bfl.jpg (what I believe to be the image's name in full), image = Mauro+Icardi+FC+Internazionale+Milano+v+Udinese+GJDZrK3Q9bfl.jpg (so remove the initial website's link), or image =  (without spaces), etc.

Any help would be appreciated.

UnknownBrick22 (talk) 01:05, 9 February 2015 (UTC)UnknownBrick22


 * In brief, the steps for arranging for an image to appear in an article are:
 * Decide what image you want to use
 * Establish that it is not restricted by copyright
 * Upload it to Wikimedia Commons, stating its copyright status. (In some special circumstances, you might have reason to upload it direct to English-language Wikipedia instead.)
 * In the article, add a link to the uploaded image (not to the original image, as you appear to have been trying to do). If the image is to go inside an infobox, the syntax for this is confusingly slightly different.


 * You appear to be omitting step 3, and possibly step 2. Maproom (talk) 10:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Maproom, thanks very much, this is helpful - what is the most efficient way of establishing an image's copyright status, for example the aforementioned one? UnknownBrick22 (talk) 13:24, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The link you give is to an image on www.zimbio.com. Here is Zimbio's copyright policy. It seems to me that they are saying that users should only upload images there that they are legally entitled to upload, and that if they become aware that an image on their site is in fact protected by copyright, they will remove it. This falls a long way short of confirmation that images on their site are not protected by copyright. Therefore that image of a footballer should not be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Maproom (talk) 16:01, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

adding references to an article
Hi. Can someone tell me how in easiest terms to add references to articles, an an easy way to do it without code?Barniecadd (talk) 02:27, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, Barniecadd. When you are in the edit mode, place your cursor where you wish the reference to appear.  Near the top right of the page you will see the word "Cite".  If you click on that, you will see a pop-down list of Templates.  Choose one depending on whether your reference is a book, website, newspaper, etc. Fill in as much of the form as you can.  If you want to see what it will look like, select "Preview". When you are finished, select "Insert" to add your reference.  The codes are added for you. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 03:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi. thank you very much.Barniecadd (talk) 08:12, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

how to invoke a reference to use several times
Hello, I am editing this page to try and bring it inline with your expectations Draft:Yes, I Can literacy method (Yo, Si Puedo in Spanish). i am having difficulty invoking a reference which i wish to use several times. You can see the highlighted problem at footnote 8. I am not sure where I should invoke the named reference? also why is my reference list appearing in the middle of my article under the heading "community wide approach"

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruthratcliffe (talk • contribs)
 * Hi Ruthratcliffe, to use a reference twice you replace the ) with this.
 * Example first reference:


 * Example second reference:


 * I hope his helps. All the best, Taketa (talk) 08:42, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Two editors have made corrective edits to that page, see its page history for details. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  08:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Mandruss, I noticed but figured I might as well explain for the future :). All the best, Taketa (talk) 08:45, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I concur, I might have done the same if you hadn't already. I was adding information for the OP's benefit. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  08:50, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Curate this page language settings
If I use curate this page system and my language settings are Finland, then all info come finnish language. Are there soime setting in Curate this page that I can use language setting Finland and with this tool comes english text--Musamies (talk) 09:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know a way to do that. User:PrimeHunter/English interface.js may be of interest but it requires a click each time you want to change to English interface on a page. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:35, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't have the tool myself, but from Page Curation/Help it looks like you might be able to get further help by posting your question at Wikipedia talk:Page Curation or by contacting the Page Curation liason, User talk:Okeyes (WMF). -Thibbs (talk) 12:51, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for info--Musamies (talk) 13:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Help with GPG company URL
Hello, I've posted a request for a very simple change on The Glover Park Group article, asking to update the company's URL from the old to the new one. More details at article Talk; if you need any other information, please just ask! Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 14:12, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Done. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks! WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 14:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Adding a graphic
Good morning,

How do I add a logo to our wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohionational (talk • contribs) 14:59, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Help:Introduction to uploading images should start you off. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:17, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

What links here
I am wondering if there is shortcut to getting to to end of the list, when the list in What links here is several thousands links long. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:41, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Use one or two of the "hide" buttons to exclude group(s) of items you're not interested in. And/or
 * Choose "500" items on a page to greatly reduce the number of clicks required to get to the bottom.
 * Don't know of a quicker way to the bottom. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  15:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Choose one of the "View N at once" options, and then adjust the url to read "&limit=5000". You can then skip through them 5,000 at a time - I think that's the maximum allowed. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:00, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks User:Mandruss&John of Reading for the helpful tips. Just wondering if there a page Help: What links here? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:12, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually, there is. You can reach it by typing "help:what links here" in the Search box at the top. But here's a nice time-saving link: Help:What links here. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  16:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * And Help:What links here is linked from the top of any "What links here" page. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:49, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Obliviously!! ;) &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  16:54, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Deceased - Andrew Lingen-Stallard
I notice that the page for Andrew Lingen-Stallard has not been updated and his sad death will mean he himself cannot update this. I wonder if anybody could assist in this matter as it doesn't seem appropriate for the talk page. Thankyou. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.245.109 (talk) 15:59, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Apparent reference to User:Andrew lingen-stallard. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  16:06, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I do not know WP's policy on user pages of deceased users. This article confirms his recent death. Maproom (talk) 16:09, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I have set some templates and the userpage has been fully protected. Not sure about archiving/removing the only entry on their talk. Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 16:37, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Mandruss and Mlpearc, I have requested assistance at Wikipedia talk:Deceased Wikipedians. Hopefully someone with more experience in these matters will reply so it can be dealt with properly and respectfully. The guidelines can also be found there. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:53, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  18:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

how do I get my draft article on Patricia McConnell approved and finalized?
I work for Dr. Patricia McConnell and she asked me to create a page for her in Wikipedia. I did that about six months ago. Yesterday I got an email from Wikipedia (from HasteurBot) saying that I hadn't edited the page in six months so Wiki might delete it. I can't figure out how move it from the sandbox to being a final wiki page. I"m sure this is very simple, but I can't figure it out. Here is the link to the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_McConnell  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.113.146.240 (talk) 18:05, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * You appear to be confused. The url that you gave us in your question is to the Wikipedia article Patricia McConnell, not to a draft.  Under the IP address from which you posted your question, you haver not written any drafts, nor have you received any messages from HasteurBot.  I guess that you might be the same person as Llemberger, and that account did receive a notice a month ago that Draft:Patricia B. McConnell had not been edited for more that 6 months.  As another month has gone by without you having done anything about it, your draft has been deleted.  Your user talk page does, however, give you instructions as to how to get it undeleted (but see below).  You refer to your sandbox, but your draft was moved from User:Llemberger/sandbox to Draft:Patricia B. McConnell in June 2014.  You had previously edited the Wikipedia article Patricia McConnell in 2013, so it is not obvious why you have subsequently been producing a new draft.  Such a draft will usually be rejected if an article already exists.  What you should be doing is improving the existing article.  One of its major shortcomings is that it has no references to published reliable sources independent of the subject.  It is also written in very promotional language, which of course isn't surprising given that the material was written by an employee of the subject.  There is a danger of the article being deleted under sppedy deletion criterion WP:G11 as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion".  You need to read about neutral point of view, and about conflict of interest, and if you have relevant, non-promotional, information which can be verified by published independent sources, then you could suggest such improvements at the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:34, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Submitted to AFD. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Redirect from mainspace to a WikiProject?
Someone recently created a redirect from mainspace to a WikiProject, I'm not sure such redirects should exist. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:32, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd guess we treat it as any other cross-namespace redirect and delete it per the consensus at Cross-namespace redirects. I can't see any reason to link from mainspace to a WikiProject, where is this? Sam Walton (talk) 18:34, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think that there should be redirects from mainspace to any other space. What page in article space has been redirected?  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It's WikiProject Disability, but I think there may be more such redirects. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:12, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Cooperation is another odd one, it redirects to a mainspace article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe my question wasn't clear. What article redirects to the project?  You provided the project.  The real issue is an article redirecting to any Wikipedia space other than article space.  (Cross-wiki links are not the same situation.)  The redirect from a project to an article also seems odd, but is not the clear impropriety of a redirect from article space to project space.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:08, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You obviously haven't actually looked at the redirects - note the absence of a "WP" prefix in the links I provided. WikiProject Disability is a mainspace page that redirects to WP:WikiProject Disability and the mainspace page WikiProject Cooperation redirects to the mainspace article Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia (WP:WikiProject Cooperation does exist). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Inexplicable reverts
I noticed that just had an edit inexplicably reverted by another edit within the same minute. I don't think the second editor is one to ignore an edit conflict notice. I'd generally chalk it up to freak accident, but the same thing happened on the 6th, in an article, where this edit and this edit were both reverted by this edit. Again, the reverter was an experienced user. It's very odd that I'm seeing these for the first time, and twice within three days. Is there cause for concern or am I becoming neurotic in my old age? &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  19:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Wild guesses, the 1st case could be a side effect of an unresolved edit conflict, what do you think? The 2nd case could be serious and therefore off topic here. –Be..anyone (talk) 19:30, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. At least in the first case I think it looks more like an edit conflict being forced through than a revert.  These are both busy pages.  Rwessel (talk) 19:42, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm missing something or lacking in knowledge about ec's, but as I said David Biddulph is not likely to force through an edit conflict. And an edit conflict forced through IS a revert, just an unintentional one. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  19:59, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * From my end I edited the section, added my reply and saved. Can't recall if I saw my reply in the subsequent window but I was obviously confused when it wasn't there later on. Didn't see an edit conflict on my end, and I don't think I should have since I was editing a section. Sam Walton (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This sort of edit conflict does happen from time to time, and is certainly very annoying. I don't know how the edit conflict software works, so no idea why we get these occasional screw-ups (particularly strange when folk are editing different sections). Surely we shouldn't have to do a diff every time we make an edit, to make sure it hasn't been screwed up. Glad it was sorted (and let's hope there's not another edit conflict while I'm making this reply). --David Biddulph (talk) 20:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow. Seems worthy of a bug report, if two occurrences are seen by one editor within three days. I don't need to do the math to consider that a significant problem. Many of these will never be noticed, let alone sorted. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  20:38, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If you create a report on, please mention that one contributor (=me) thinks that editing the last section of a page over a slow connection while somebody else adds a new last section might be a factor. Or just add a permalink to this section. –Be..anyone (talk) 21:34, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If there's no more concern than this, not worth my time to learn phab! &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  23:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * This issue is already on phab and has had some dups I believe. When I get home tomorrow, I'll look up the ticket number and CC anyone here interested in following it if I can find you on Phab. All you need to do to make sure you are there is to go to the login screen and click the yellow flower 'login with MediaWiki Oauth' or whatever it's called. :) —   00:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm interested. I don't see a yellow flower, but when I clicked on the strange white blob near the upper right it displayed information including my WP username. I guess that means I'm "there", I don't know... &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  00:36, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Carl Smith (American Football) photo incorrect.
My name is Tyler Smith, representing my father Carl Smith, current quarterbacks coach for the Seattle Seahawks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Smith_(American_football)

The photo being used on his wikipedia page is incorrect. Another gentlemen who currently works for the Seahawks is pictured. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Coach_Carl_Smith_in_2013.jpg/220px-Coach_Carl_Smith_in_2013.jpg

These are genuine photos of my father Carl Smith:

http://instagram.com/p/ykpDVqvCnk/?modal=true http://prod.static.seahawks.clubs.nfl.com//assets/images/imported/SEA/bio-images/2012/Coaches/smith-carl/120718-smith-480.jpg http://seattletimes.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/huskyfootball/files/2014/05/UWprodayLOK17.jpg http://www.imageofsport.com/image/thumb/250-250/28122738.jpg

I am not familiar with editing wikipedia pages. Please make this correction- Thank you very much for your time.

Sincerely, Tyler J. Smith — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.231.25.244 (talk) 19:45, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The place to make the request is the article talk page, Talk: Carl Smith (American football). What is the copyright status of the genuine photos that you provide?  Are they freely available for use on the Internet?  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

North Bergen, New Jersey

 * Header added by ColinFine (talk) 23:09, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

I read your narrative on the Township of North Bergen, NJ. You have left out one of the Townships famous residents: Gene Cornish guitarist for 60's rock group the Rascals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.101.169.130 (talk) 20:22, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, anonymous user. I added a header, so that it is more obvious that yours is a new question and not attached to the question about Carl Smith. The place to make suggestions for a particular article is on that article's talk page, Talk:North Bergen, New Jersey. If you have a reliable published source that he is from North Bergen, you may add him to the list, or suggest on the talk page that somebody do so; but it does need that published reference: unpublished personal knowledge is not enough. Our existing article Gene Cornish doesn't mention North Bergen. --ColinFine (talk) 23:09, 9 February 2015 (UTC)