Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 January 7

= January 7 =

Upcoming concert tours
Hi there. I left a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Concert Tours about a week ago, but didn't get a response. Today someone posted the same question. I'm not sure that project is an active one, so hopefully you can help. What's the policy on articles about upcoming concert tours, such as the Anything Goes Tour? It seems like blatant advertising to me, and a bit of WP:CRYSTAL. WikiProject Concert Tours doesn't address this, but seems to infer that articles about concert tours should be written after they are finished. I'm reluctant to nominate it for deletion without some input. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 04:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm at my wits' end. We're seeing tons of kpop articles for tours that haven't happened yet, songs that haven't been released yet, albums that haven't been released yet, pop groups that haven't debuted yet, etc.  And when we try to AFD them, people just come along and say "we're just gonna recreate it anyway so stop wasting people's time and leave the article alone."  Isn't there some way to filter this stuff out during the AFC process?  It's getting tedious AFDing all of them and making some article creators very bitter and vengeful. Shinyang-i (talk) 05:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with making a spammer feel vengeful and bitter? Maproom (talk) 11:05, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Are WP:A7 and WP:A8 no use? - X201 (talk) 11:07, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If an unacceptable article keeps being created, it can be salted. --ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh everything that's being created is real stuff, it's all been announced via artists' own websites, and of course it's all claimed as being vastly important, so I'm not sure A7 or A8 apply. None of it is notable, of course, since something that hasn't happened yet can very rarely have attained notability.  But the AFDs are all hell and are all are now getting more 'keep' votes than 'delete' once all the people clueless about how Wikipedia works show up.  They say how stupid it is to delete the articles when they'll just be recreated upon the items' releases...  Isn't there some better way to deal with this?  Isn't there just a policy somewhere that says "don't make articles for stuff before it happens/is released"? :( Shinyang-i (talk) 12:59, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:CRYSTAL - nothing is notable until it has received significant coverage in reliable sources.--ukexpat (talk) 13:13, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I know that, but I sure hope whoever is monitoring these AFDs does. So many clueless editors keep voting that I'm afraid the AFDs will all get closed as "no consensus".  Kpop fans believe that a mere announcement of something = notability, and until they are given a list of explicit rules in writing about what they can and cannot create and what they can and cannot put into articles, they'll keep doing whatever they want and making life miserable for editors who actually have a clue.  Sorry, I'm just getting sick of editors who are unwilling or unable to understand concepts and only look for technicalities.  Argh. Shinyang-i (talk) 13:24, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I think most admins are savvy enough to give "fankeeps" the weight they deserve.--ukexpat (talk) 21:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Cyber bullying on the Chebo people article
The article in question is Chebo people. This article is very demeaning. I am a person of both Oromo people and Gurage people heritage. I ask you kindly to urgently take down this article.

It is worth noting that no such ethnic group exists with such a title to date according to the Ethiopian National Census documents, which can be found on http://www.csa.gov.et/index.php/2013-02-20-14-51-51/2013-04-01-11-53-00/census-2007.

Without question, there are assimilation of people all over the country, if not the world. In Ethiopia alone, there are assimilation of Amhara people with Tigray people, Gurage people with Amhara people, Silt'e people with Gurage people, Anuak people with Nuer people, etc.

However, there is never a moment taken to name any of these other groups of people who have assimilated into other cultures. Let alone singling out this particular group, I especially find it highly demeaning when we are being reduced to a name of a plant or twig for whatever purpose; please, wikipedia editors stop this harassment! We are people with proud heritage, language, and identity. Gurage people are one of the most loved in the entire country (my personal opinion, but I don't think you will find many who disagree). Oromo people are one of the most populous and with a long history.

On the merits of the references being cited, I have the following to say about it.

1) It reads " One possible explanation of the name of the ethnic group, Chebo, is their affinity of the chebo plant which is normally burned during Meskel damera celebrations."

The statement above uses the Tadele, et al. 2014 source to show that there is a plant named Chebo (in the article it is spelled Chibo). It also shows the scientific name, Vernonia leopoldi, to which an external link is also cited. However, there is no citation for the possible explanation of the name, Chebo, being used to label my people. Up until this article, there was no formal use of the term to label any group of people. As the source indicates, the name has always been attributed to a plant/ twig.

2) It reads " Another possible explanation arises from the name of the area where the Chebo people live. Parts of the Debub Mirab Shewa Zone use to be incorporated in the Chebo and Gurage Awraja in the Shewa  province, as it used to be known prior to 1995." The statement above is also very misleading. The sources cited are to indicate that some time ago that area used to be known as Chebo and Gurage district (awraja). However, again, there is no citation that shows the people that live in the district themselves used to be referred to anything other than either Gurage or Oromo people.

Therefore, both statements are completely farce and pure fabrications.

I hope you understand that this is labeling people with names they never have had and never should have. I honestly can't imagine very many people calling their tribes by reducing their name to one of a twig or branch or a stick. Being a person of this particular heritage (of both Gurage and Oromo heritage), I find it disturbing and insulting. THIS IS CYBER BULLYING.

I thank you for reading through this very lengthy complaint.

Thank you,

Notes References HagereNew (talk) 08:53, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1^ "Vernonia leopoldi Vatke". Retrieved November 2, 2014.
 * 2 ^ Tadele, et al. 2014
 * 3 ^ Kloos,et al. 1987
 * 4 ^ Kloos, et al. 1989
 * Kloos, Helmut, A. Etea, A. Degefa, H. Aga, B. Solomon, K. Abera, A. Abegaz, G. Belemo. 1987. Illness and health behaviour in Addis Ababa and rural central Ethiopia. Soc. Sci. Med., 25 (9): 1003-1019.
 * Kloos, Helmut, A. Adugna. 1989. Settler migration during the 1984/85 resettlement programme in Ethiopia. Geo Journal, 19.2: 113-127.
 * Tadele, Desalegn, E. Lulekal, D. Damtie, A. Assefa. 2014. Floristic diversity and regeneration status of woody plants in Zengena Forest, a remnant montane forest patch in northwestern Ethiopia. Journral of Forestry Research, 25 (2): 329-336.


 * I've removed the one reference I could check and tagged the article with cite check. It will need someone with access to the article sources to check the other refs. I can only find extracts, someone in a University with free access to the papers will need to check them. - X201 (talk) 10:52, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I see no evidence of bullying. There is a paragraph saying that the Chebo are of Oromo and Gurage origin, and there is a paragraph on the etymology of the name. Nothing there is derogatory. However, if the first (unreferenced) paragraph is mistaken, and "Chebo" is not the name of any ethnic group, then I agree that the article should be deleted. Maproom (talk) 11:03, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Like User:Maproom, I see no evidence of bullying, and the allegation of cyberbullying is one that Wikipedia takes very seriously, and so should not be made casually. The article has been tagged as to a possible incorrect use of a reference.  If the name is not that of any ethnic group, then it can be nominated for deletion via Articles for Deletion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:18, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

The Harley Street Clinic
Hi

I put together an article about the history of The Harley Street Clinic yesterday under my username MalcolmMcCo.

When it came up it had my user number in the title followed by "The Harley Street Clinic".

I have tried to find the entry today but now cannot find it.

Where would it have gone and how would I remove the long number?

Kind Regards

Malcolm McCoskery — Preceding unsigned comment added by MalcolmMcCo (talk • contribs) 11:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * You created it on the userspace of an non-logged in user(See Contributions at the top right of this page). I've moved it so that it's under your username. Its now here (User:MalcolmMcCo/The Harley Street Clinic) - X201 (talk) 11:42, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * You should realise that in its current state, it is far from suitable as an encyclopedia article. It does not start by making it clear what the Clinic is. And it uses language such as "This is somewhat different to what we do today!" which is totally out of place in an encyclopedia. Maproom (talk) 12:34, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * If you are the same Malcolm that is the Marketing Manager for the Harley Street Clinic, you should be aware of our conflict of interest policy. And if you are acting for Malcolm, then you should also read our username policy which says, in part, "Any user account should represent an individual and not a group".  Dismas |(talk) 13:47, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.

I have amended to a) explain who The Harley Street Clinic is - I have tried to make this factual rather than as a sales tool b) I have taken out the sentence that you highlighted. I have also made other amends to de-personalise c) I am the same Malcolm who is the Marketing Manager for The Harley Street Clinic. I certainly do not wish to fall foul of your Conflict of Interest Policy but I am sincerely wishing to produce a "non-sales" article that is for information about our quite famous and internationally recognised hospital.  Much of the information was gleaned from The Marylebone Journal.

I hope this is OK but I will do anything to help you make the article acceptable.

Please note that I have also noticed that our main competitor in Harley Street - The London Clinic - have their own page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_London_Clinic

Kind Regards

Malcolm McCoskery — Preceding unsigned comment added by MalcolmMcCo (talk • contribs) 16:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * The version you are working on now starts by saying what street gives access to the Clinic's reception desk; but not what city or even country it is in. That may be fine in publicity material aimed at rich Londoners; but a Wikipedia article should be aimed at English-readers throughout the world. You will also need to add better references: at present there are only two, both lacking dates, issue numbers, etc. (The article The London Clinic is somewhat better written, but has no acceptable references at all – please don't take that as your model.) Maproom (talk) 17:06, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I have removed the duplicate submission template, but in any event, in its current form it still has absolutely zero chance of being accepted. It is way too promotional in tone and has no reliable, third party sources to demonstrate notability per WP:CORP.--ukexpat (talk) 21:49, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Website upgraded; URLs changed; refs broken
Hi all. Sorry if this isn't the ideal venue for this question. I've just realised that the British History Online website (https://www.british-history.ac.uk/), which holds digitised versions of the numerous Victoria County History publications, has had a major makeover. Unfortunately they have changed all the URLs at which individual chapters are held. Even more unfortunately, there appears to be no obvious way to map from the old URL to the new one.

Example: the chapter "Crawley New Town: Public services" in the Victoria County History of Sussex Volume 6 Part 3 (1987), previously located at https://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=18420, is now at https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/sussex/vol6/pt3/pp89-91. In the "old" URLs, the number at the end is just a sequential number which doesn't relate to a specific book, volume etc.

Sadly I have used VCH refs in a huge number of places across many articles, including some of GA- and FL-class status. Probably other editors have as well. At this stage, two questions occur to me:
 * Is there a standard recommendation (WP policy, guideline etc.), or procedure to go through, when a situation like this is discovered?
 * Is it possible to generate a list of all articles in which a URL appears? – Specifically, in this case, https://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=xxxxx That would at least give me something to work from in relation to swapping out old URLs for new ones.

Any suggestions gratefully received! Cheers, Hassocks  5489 (Floreat Hova!)  14:05, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * You can use Special:LinkSearch. --  Gadget850talk 14:09, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This will list the external links - X201 (talk) 14:12, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * (ecx2)Hi Hassocks. The central issue here is called WP:Linkrot. The page also has some mitigation measures. In this case, could it be possible to contact the British History Online with a request to help us out? Stable URL's would be great, but if they could help us with a mapping (and I have a reasonable suspicion that at least technically they should be able to) a bot run could fix the broken links. And add archive links. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:13, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * It may be possible to salvage them from the info in Wikipedia. I've only tried this on three articles but the new URL format uses Volume, Part and Page numbers. These numbers are already in the citations on WP, it may be possible for a fancy bit of RegEx to strip the required info from the old citation and use it to make the new url. This would need checking to make sure it holds true for all pages on the British History site, but I think it stands a chance of working. - X201 (talk) 14:34, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That seems tricky. Extracting "/vch/sussex/" from "Victoria County History of Sussex" doesn't seem all that regular from this single example (unless all titles are in the pattern "x y history of z". Are they?) I don't mind autowikibrowsering it up when I get home, but I don't want to set too high expectations. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * All of the new urls seem to be in the format https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/ county  /  volume  /  page numbers. We already have the county, volume and page numbers in the citation. extracting it and tacking https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/ on the from was my plan. But the formatting of some refs and some of the urls on that site aren't consistent. - X201 (talk) 14:58, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That helps. If anyone wants to attempt to AWB it up, you will want to attempt to replace  with  . I'd like to stress this is very bad code and if you attempt to do this please check if it's doing the intended thing. If this works for more than even half the links I'd be happily surprised. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:14, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm focusing on specific books e.g "Book of Sussex" to start with. Have just done a test edit and will now check to see if it works. - X201 (talk) 16:17, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Edit Conflict - On further examination there are too many variables like county name, and certain differences in the formatting of their site. I think contacting them would be the easier route, if you can get a list of the page mappings someone at WP:BOTREQ would be able to help you out. - X201 (talk) 14:54, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Excellent – I've just gone into my AWB (for the first time in a couple of years) and tried 's suggested code. I tweaked it slightly, but it looks like it will work fine for all instances where the chapter is over 2 or more pages (which is the majority of them). I have to say I had no clue about how to use Regex functions until now, and in fact I didn't even know it was possible to do things like this, but I worked it out through a bit of trial and error—so I've learnt something very useful today! I tested it at User:Hassocks5489/Forge Wood, a sandbox article I'm working on at the moment. In due course I will (carefully) go through and change the rest of the articles that use VCH references. Thanks to as well, and to  for the link (I will add that to my list of useful links). Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!)  19:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Great to hear it works. If you need more help, don't hesitate to ask! Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, note that I think you can set AWB to load all pages from a list, possibly that list. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:57, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Reinstating a deleted page
Hello,

I am writing from a company New Net Technologies who had a page Change Tracker, that was linked to from the File Integrity Monitoring page under Applications - File integrity monitoring - The Change Tracker page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Change_Tracker%E2%84%A2&action=edit&redlink=1 was deleted by Tokyogirl79, and I am keen to see if we can get the page reinstated with new content.

Please can you advise how I might get the page reinstated and also whether the content below would meet the Wiki guidelines. I have read the notability guidelines and feel that this would be appropriate. If you advise this also, then I can provide full references before the final submission.

New Net Technologies is an IT Security and Compliance Software Manufacturer with Offices in the United States of America and the United Kingdom.

The company was founded in 2005 when it launched its software solution NNT Change Tracker Enterprise. The solution was originally designed for monitoring IT networks for unexpected changes but has since developed into an Enterprise-wide solution for Servers, Desktops, Applications, Network Devices & Databases.

The company is privately held by the current management team.

NNT Provides solutions for:

File Integrity Monitoring System Vulnerability Hardening Change Management Configuration Management

Corporate website www.newnettechnologies.com

Thank you very much for your help.

SMartin1234 (talk) 14:43, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * This question was answered at Teahouse/Questions 35 minutes before you posted this duplicate question here. Please only ask questions in one place, and do not go Forumshopping, in the hope that you will get a different answer.- Arjayay (talk) 14:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I was not hoping for a different answer. I had read the feedback on Teahouse and read the notability guidelines. I did however not get any feedback on the proposed new content which I was hoping to get here. Please could you advise next steps on how I might get feedback or propose the new content? Thank you SMartin1234 (talk) 15:00, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It's unclear to me whether your content above is for an article about the company or about its product. Either way, it is unlikely it would get past an WP:CSD.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:13, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Among the many other problems, I suggest you read WP:PROMO, and specifically WP:SOLUTIONS. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  16:07, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Page deletion
Hi, I am Tomcapa1 -- I wrote an article on a UK progressive Catholic organization-- article called A Call to Action. Without being paranoid I may say that it has plenty of enemies, and quite a few people argued for deletion, no doubt sometimes at least on partly justifiable grounds. An administrator came on board, and soon became less than helpful, and I have to say (I am not mentioning his name) did reveal some ideological interests of his own. I have copied this on to a file because I was surprised. Several people also spoke up for the article, and I have continually been trying to improve it both in content and formatting (the latter a weakness because of my inexperience). Then unbeknown to me and with no notification the article was deleted by another administrator who had made no previous comment. I only found out a week later by a third party informant who had tried to look up the article. I contacted the first administrator who gave me the name of the second. I have asked the second for an explanation, but there has been no reply yet. I have not been able to access the deletion log, although I gather there is one, and apparently on that there is no explanation of deletion. I have asked another administrator from the list 'some administrators' for a copy of the deleted file so that I can make some further improvements, but have not heard back either from him. I am wondering if a deletion that does not provide even the briefest explanation is actually permitted or whether it can be automatically reversed for lack of due process. The first administrator -- not the one who deleted it-- says that the grounds were lack of notability, but I would strenuously contest this as the organization was interviewed on BBC Today programme and has various press references cited and a strong national profile and big conferences. I am rather unhappy at the intervention of this administrator who did the final deletion as it seems a little strange and irregular to me. Hope this isn't too boring for you, but advice and help would be greatly appreciated and I am hampered by my inexperience here. Tomcapa1 (talk) 14:47, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The article was deleted after a community discussion at Articles for deletion/A Call To Action. If you wish to contest the closure of this discussion, the correct venue in which to do so is Deletion Review. Yunshui 雲 水 14:51, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. Why though was no notification given to me on my talk page and why no explanation provided on the deletion log?  Does this make the deletion illegitimate? Tomcapa1 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 14:58, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The deletion log has a link to the deletion discussion. - X201 (talk) 15:02, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * True, but there is no deletion summary by the deleting administrator, which makes it seem very cavalier. Also no one has responded to my request for the original-- largely written by me, and worked on tirelessly, which will be revised and resubmitted.  I have now asked both the first and second administrators, and a third from the 'some administrators@.  Is there no way I can access it and what do I do if none of these respond?  Thanks very much Tomcapa1 (talk) 15:08, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You made over a dozen contributions to the deletion discussion, so you must have been aware of its existence. And the main reason given (repeatedly) there for its deletion was that it lacked references providing evidence of its notablity. Instead of continuing to argue that it should not have been deleted, you could use your time better in finding a few such references. Maproom (talk) 15:12, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to email you the deleted content; give me a few minutes... Yunshui 雲 水 15:13, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Anne F. Walker
Hi,

I am trying to create a page for a poet, Anne F. Walker from the San Francisco Bay Area. This is my first article and learning this method is a bit challenging. When I tried to submit the page it was explain the information may be unconstructive. I completely disagree but I am not sure what is the next step in getting approved. Any assistance would be valuable and greatly appreciated. Also, I included the page information below. Thank you!


 * Copying your draft article here is unnecessary. The original is at User:WritersCraftHNU. I have deleted the copy you put here. Maproom (talk) 17:24, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The most important step you would need to take to get the article approved is to add references to reliable independent published sources, giving evidence of the subject's notability (click on that blue word for an explanation of the way it is used here). Someone also needs to work on the formatting, removing the excessive use of boldface; and to reduce the lists of publications and awards, which make it look more like a resumé than an encyclopedia article. Maproom (talk) 17:30, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The software gave you [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=WritersCraftHNU warnings about unconstructive editing] because it saw the word "FUCK", in capitals. This is often a sign of an unhelpful edit. The software was not clever enough to see that your edit was an exception. -- John of Reading (talk) 23:35, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Liz Johnson (Swimmer)
Hi,

I was attempting to edit Liz Johnson (Swimmer)'s References as one of them I know for a fact is out of date the Threshold Sports page. However somehow all of her References were removed which I didn't intend to do. Is there anyway you could restore all of these References barring the Threshold Sports one?

Ash185.14.208.253 (talk) 17:36, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, a bot already reverted/fixed your changes on the Liz Johnson (swimmer) article automatically. I added an archive link for the dated source. Please do not delete sources, just because they are a bit dated. Of course you can replace them, if you know more actual, reliable sources (see WP:RS, and WP:EL for information on acceptable and not acceptable external links). GermanJoe (talk) 18:03, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

deleted local article
I began a rough bio on a local prominent real estate magnate that was deleted for not being important or significant enough, I'd like that put back up please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popelak (talk • contribs) 17:46, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * There is no such thing as a 'local article' - this is an international project. And if the article was deleted because the subject wasn't notable enough to meet the relevant notability criteria, why should we restore it? Not that we can, unless you tell us the name of the individual - and then provide evidence that this individual is notable by our criteria. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:52, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no way on earth that the joke "article" John Philip Gordon, about your pal the "self made thousandaire and renowned ladies man", is going to be restored. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:37, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Redirect/disambiguation help needed
I'm somewhat familiar with the WP rules for disambiguation, but I'm really rusty on implementing them. Maybe somebody can do what is needed here, so I can look at it and learn. Of course I'm also open to comments on what I propose.

I've just created Ken Carson (musician), who was a pretty important entertainer of the 1930s-1950s. Right now, searching for Ken Carson redirects to Ken (doll), a toy whose imaginary last name isn't one of its important features. What I think should happen is that "Ken Carson (musician)" should be renamed as "Ken Carson", so that searching for his name leads to him, a real person, rather than to a toy with a tenuous connection to the word "Carson". The redirect should be removed, and a disambiguation hatnote link to Ken (doll) should be added to the musician article.

I just don't know how to do that myself, and I don't want to ruin anything by trying. Lou Sander (talk) 18:32, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

PDF book creation
Have tried sevral times to create a book and each time it fails during pdf creation. Any idea as to why it keep happening?Rjdrescher (talk) 19:17, 7 January 2015 (UTC) , try WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:50, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Korean war vet
I need help please. My husband was a water purification specialist in Korea from 1976-1977. The Army did not provide any protective gear at all. His hands and feet were constantly in chemicals and the truck that pumped the water and chemicals was extremely loud and the Army did not provide protective hearing equipment either. Many times he had to sleep on the side of the truck to ensure it kept running. My husband now has EXTREME loss of nails and skin on both his feet and hands (I have pictures of skin literally hanging from his feet). The Army doctors say it is psoriatic arthritis which makes no sense to me when he doesn't have problems anywhere else. He has also been impotent since his service in Korea and also has severe hearing loss. When I try to look up which chemicals were used for the Army during 1976-1977 for water purification, all I come up with is Army enlistment sites. Can anyone please help to explain what dangers were associated with the chemicals used? I am providing both of our email addresses. If there are any science experts who could help explain or assist us, it would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beckybrown1961 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the Wikipedia Help desk where we help people use and edit Wikipedia. You may be able to find someone who can help answer your questions at the reference desk, but no one at Wikipedia can dispense medical advice. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  21:05, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Confused about merger vs redirect for duplicate stub
There are two articles that need to be merged: I read A10 but I don't think this applies because the 2nd page is not recently created. It's a stub that should just be deleted, but the title is the superior title. I'm confused as to the best course of action for what should be a noncontroversial merger/speedy deletion/redirect. Lugevas (talk) 21:22, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * MyRA - This has more content and has been edited much more frequently and should stay.
 * MyRA (Retirement Account) - This is the better title, but only has a handful of edits from almost a year ago. The content could be completely deleted.
 * The second title is not better as WP:Disambiguation is not required. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:43, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * So should I be bold and just delete the 2nd article? Lugevas (talk) 19:07, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

How do you add sub headings to the contents box ?
I`m trying to add sub headings to the contents box of the Battle of Britain (film) page and I can`t get it to work, The sections appear to be level 2 headlines and the sub sections level 3. In fact, when I edited the section the sub headings did actually appear correctly as intended in the contents box (i.e. 1 XXXX 1.1xxxx 1.2xxx 1.3xxx etc), but when I clicked save for the page the contents box did not include the sub headings.

I don`t understand it !--JustinSmith (talk) 22:29, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * the template {TOC limit|limit=2} is set to suppress them. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  22:32, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I`ve simply deleted that line and the full index now appears. I do wonder why anyone should want to suppress a full index in an encyclopedia ! ? !--JustinSmith (talk) 08:36, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know why it was done here but some pages would get an impratically long table of contents if all subsections were shown. Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:TOC limit should include some better examples of use. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:35, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

But If the contents box was very long that would, by definition I would have thought, mean that the page would be very long. Thus requiring a comprehensive index all the more !--JustinSmith (talk) 09:58, 9 January 2015 (UTC)`