Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 July 1

= July 1 =

Writing Article in other language
Hi, I would like to know if I can write an article in other language such as Burmese or Shan language? Thank you in advance --momo 09:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokawn (talk • contribs)


 * Sure you can (provided you know those languages). There is a working Burmese edition of Wikipedia. There is also a test Shan version in the Wikipedia Incubator. --CiaPan (talk) 09:35, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Articles here at the English Wikipedia should be in English. Dismas |(talk) 10:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * see also Translation and Translate us. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Hi there Could you please check the section PARENTS on the page "Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge" I cannot do the "nee" with the accent over it. It is required for Olive Middleton, nee Lupton (1881-1936) Also, there is an "access" problem with the date in one of my citations in this PARENTS section Thanks so much Ted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.149.113.236 (talk) 10:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * For future reference: if you don't know how to get accented letters from the keyboard in your operating system, beneath the editing window in Wikipedia there is a panel where you can bring up lots of different sets of characters (Latin, Greek, IPA etc) and pick one from there. And the system was objecting to "July 1 2015" - changing it to "1 July 2015" fixed it. --ColinFine (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * For future reference: if you don't know how to get accented letters from the keyboard in your operating system, beneath the editing window in Wikipedia there is a panel where you can bring up lots of different sets of characters (Latin, Greek, IPA etc) and pick one from there. And the system was objecting to "July 1 2015" - changing it to "1 July 2015" fixed it. --ColinFine (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text
How to add references on my article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chacharaliraza (talk • contribs) 11:09, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Put simply, every single statement in the article Ali Raza Jaffari must be individually cited to a reliable published source which is not from Jaffari, his family, his friends, his associates, his employees, or any interviews or press releases from him, but written by somebody unconnected with him. This is detailed in Your first article and Referencing for beginners.
 * I notice that your username suggests that you might be Jaffari or somebody related to him. If you are, please be aware that you have a conflict of interest and so are strongly discouraged from writing about him. Autobiography in particular is not a good idea on Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 11:58, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Logging a successful GA nomination
How do I "log" my first Good Article on my User page? I have seen "icons" on other User pages that indicate their GA successes. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:52, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * They're called top icons, and the one you're looking for is Sam Walton (talk) 12:54, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Justice Scalia
Recent edits to Justice Scalia's biography are inappropriate and in very poor taste. Please correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.110.43.50 (talk) 14:03, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The article Antonin Scalia has been semi-protected due to vandalism and the vandalism has been reverted. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:41, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Misattribution of article caused by sandbox reuse
Dear editors: Regrettably, new users are often directed to create draft articles in their sandboxes instead of using user subpages or draft space. Since the user sandboxes were only designed for experimenting, this causes mixups in the page histories. For example, Atacama B-Mode Search is attributed to me as its creator, when in fact all I did was move an existing draft out of the sandbox to the review area. Then the sandbox was reused for a totally different topic, which I not only didn't originate, but never edited. The problem is, if the real creator of this page is supposed to be notified about something (for example, an AfD) he or she will not get the notification, and also the statistics tools do not give the editor credit for having created the article.

I am an admin, so I can make my edit disappear, leaving the true page creator with the first edit. The easiest way would be WP:REVDEL, or I could delete the whole page and restore all but the first edit. (Note: I am not asking anyone to do this for me.}

My question is, would deleting my edit fix the problem? Would the various notification templates and "X's Tools" then pick up the correct page creator data? I would prefer to use REVDEL if it would work, because it's easier and less disruptive. There are many of these articles attributed to me, some for which I particularly don't want credit, and I'd like them off my list.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:22, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Not an answer to the question, but I don't understand why we now suggest new people create articles anywhere at all other than draft space. --ColinFine (talk) 14:51, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Some of these were created before there was a draft space. Also, some users may begin a user page to collect references and random facts, and then this may evolve into a draft article later.  However, user pages usually have unique names and don't cause problems, while sandboxes in particular (IMO) shouldn't be used to create articles because they are often reused. I plan to bring this up at WP:WPI.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 15:19, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't ever seen editors advised to create draft articles in sandboxes. I have only seen editors advised to use draft space.  The alternative is to create draft articles in user space.  I agree that creating draft articles in sandboxes can cause history problems.  If there is a policy, guideline, or essay that states that sandboxes can be used for draft articles, it should be revised.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I see discussion above of using multiple sandboxes to create articles, and have commented. Some editors refer to user subpages as sandboxes.  This usage causes confusion, because they are not really the same.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The message when I try to create a non-existent article is:
 * Before creating an article, please read Wikipedia:Your first article.
 * You can also search for an existing article to which you can redirect this title.
 * To experiment, please use the sandbox. To use a wizard to create an article, see the Article wizard.
 * When creating an article, provide references to reliable published sources. An article without references, especially a biography of a living person, may be deleted.
 * You can also start your new article at Special:Mypage/Fffffffffg. There, you can develop the article with less risk of deletion, ask other editors to help work on it, and move it into "article space" when it is ready.
 * Not a single mention of draft space, though it does point at the Article Wizard after mentioning the sandbox (not a user sandbox). I think this needs overhaul. --ColinFine (talk) 17:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * ,, I have started a discussion about this at WP:VPI where it's more appropriate; I'd appreciate it if you (and anyone else interested) would comment there. In the meantime, does anyone have the answer to my question about what would happen if I just used WP:REVDEL on the first edit of the problem articles, including the example I gave above?  I don't want to experiment with someone else's article in case I make things worse.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 18:18, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

AJOP Association for Jewish Outreach Professionals
I have been the director since 1999 and nothing has been updated since them. I have no idea of who put up the information. Please let me know how to gain access and update the posting.

Thank You

Rabbi Yitzchok Lowenbraun — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.213.89.88 (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Please post your comments or suggested edits at Talk:Association for Jewish Outreach Programs. Since you are employed by the organization, you have a conflict of interest and are discouraged from editing the article yourself, but your suggestions for improving the article are welcome.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:32, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * and note that suggestions backed up by references to reliable published sources - especially sources unconnected with AJOP - are much more likely to be acted on. --ColinFine (talk) 17:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Attracting attention of people who know a certain language.
Ok, I know if an article is in another language Wikipedia and you want it translated to English, it can be tagged with an Expand by language template. Also, there are templates for requesting translation if an article or section of an article that isn't in English appears in the English Wikipedia. Likewise if there is a source cited in an article and you want that source translated, there's a template for that.

But what if there is an unreferenced English article, and you can find sources online but they aren't in English? Is there a template to attract editors who know that language to come and work on the article? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 19:39, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Have a look at Category:Wikipedians by language. That classifies people by the language userboxes they have put on their user pages. (It's a bit confusing at first: "User bg", for example, is a subcategory of everybody who has put one of the bg-n (Bulgarian) userboxes on their user page.) --ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Eh. I was hoping for a tag I could put on the article, rather than canvassing editors who have identified as knowing the language on their talk pages. Oh well, thanks. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This again may not be what you are looking for, but, if you want to request help on an article from someone who knows another language, you could either post a request to the talk page of the Wikiproject that the article belongs to, or post a request to the talk page of the Wikiproject about the country where the language is spoken (since that project is likely to have native-speakers of its language). Robert McClenon (talk) 20:42, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. I'll try that.  ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Updating logo

 * Header added by ColinFine (talk) 20:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Wikipedia team,

I am writing from the non-profit organization the Workmen’s Circle. We recently re-designed our logo and would like to update our picture on our Wikipedia page with this new logo. However, it looks like we don't have permission to do so. Can you please walk us through that process? I may be reached on email as well: [redacted]

Thanks so much,

Sara Koenig — Preceding unsigned comment added by WorkmensCircle (talk • contribs) 20:12, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * See WP:Logos for guidelines on the use of logos as non-free content. However, your user name is the name of your organization, and organization names as user names are not permitted.  I suggest that you request a change in your user name.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:46, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * See WP:Username policy for an explanation of the user name policy and how to request a change. However, as it says, since you have made only a few edits, it might be easier to abandon your current account and create a new account.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:48, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

5 years after sock block
Hello. I am inquiring about an earlier statement of 5 years after sock. Would TZLNCTV (me) be reblocked?--69.223.179.145 (talk) 20:16, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * See the WP:STANDARDOFFER. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  20:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Right but I just turned 12 and I really, well, don't think I'd be unblocked anyway because when I put the legit alt tag on Wronglyth (looks like Pronglyb since uses old English letters), it claimed I read the sock policy when in fact I only read it the day after I was blocked. And I lied because I didn't really know what to do, or how my parents would react. I tried t cover it up so they wouldn't get mad or anything, and the whole issue was an honest mistake on my part for even creating an alt. I am covering another issue here; the DEL discussion of the Frankin County OH road list. If someone looked closely, they'd see on the newer, lowercase street signs, under the road name is the township or county route number. I found the Delaware county roads from the official Delaware County map. I live in Columbus, and I have drawn and studied maps for years. Recently, I got some old 1930s-1970s maps of Ohio, Florida, Ontario, etc. I used the maps to figure out how roads went and maybe edit based on it. I also use these skills to build on the video game Roblox (However my account there was hacked and was permanently banned in May). I write on Wikipedia because I know the knowledge it can bring not just to normal readers but to travelers as well, which is why I edited Wkivoyage. I don't want to waste your time with more but that's my editing and reasoning for editing about roads in a nutshell.--69.223.179.145 (talk) 21:00, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not getting a very coherent message from you; but, if you don't think you will be able to abide by the STANDARDOFFER, then yes, returning to edit under other conditions would leave you subject to being blocked again and the next time the STANDARDOFFER would take in your repeat offenses making it more unlikely to be accepted. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  21:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * facepalm* Well, at least it is answered. Thank you. --69.223.179.145 (talk) 21:18, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

"The Objective Correlative"
As shown in the Clint Eastwood movie, Jersey Boys, songwriter Bob Gaudio of The 4 Seasons is asked who the girl is in his song "Cry For Me". He makes reference to the T.S. Elliot topic, "the Objective Correlative", as being every girl, or any girl. In adherence to this reference, the author is allowed the literary license to step outside the scope of his personal experience, and to conjecture about the emotions and responses inherent with the situation, and utilize the third party perspective in the first party presentation.

Peter Styles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.35.98.138 (talk) 21:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What is your question? RudolfRed (talk) 22:10, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I see that a user, PeterJStyles, has made some edits to add the above material to the article Objective correlative. However, the edit is poorly sourced. I think he intended to request for the paragraph to be added. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 12:07, 2 July 2015 (UTC)