Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 July 17

= July 17 =

Teahouse talk missing table of contents
The Teahouse talk page Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse is missing the table of contents that is normally at the top. It normally has one. What can I add to the page to get it back? RudolfRed (talk) 00:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It's gone because there are only 2 sections. Supdiop ( Talk 🔹 Contribs ) 00:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * would bring it back. See more at WP:TOC. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:22, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies. RudolfRed (talk) 02:15, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Could someone please clean up the Ashley Gardner article?
It needs tweaking. 174.7.167.7 (talk) 00:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * It needs more than tweaking as there are no sources at all to support any of the info there. You can be WP:BOLD and make improvements to the article yourself. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 01:05, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
Chapter Listing of Beta Theta Pi

I messed up the lettering under the University of Denver, Alpha Zeta chapter listing, is there any way to fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teejnuf (talk • contribs) 07:21, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I have reverted your edit.
 * The error message had a wikilink to tell you about your reference formatting error.
 * We can't use Wikipedia as a reference; see WP:CIRCULAR.
 * The target article is unreferenced, gives no indication of the subject's notability, and is liable to suffer speedy deletion.
 * - David Biddulph (talk) 07:43, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

writing a new article
how do i start — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterpan911man (talk • contribs) 07:47, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Your first article is the best simple guide - but please be sure your subject meets our notability criteria or your article will be deleted. - Arjayay (talk) 08:37, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Formula One
Just a short information/correction regarding the link below: There 11 Formula One Teams for 2016. In it's list missing two Teams: Switzerland's Sauber F1 Team and Britain's Manor F1 Team. Thank you for completion. Best regards Communications at Sauber F1 Team

2016 Formula One season — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.65.194.139 (talk) 11:38, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The list is of Signed teams and drivers: it may be that, even if your good selves and Manor have indeed signed all the necessary documents with Bernie to confirm your participation, this hasn't yet been announced, so there are no published Reliable Sources for the information, without which we can't include it in the article.
 * (Unfortunately, your word here doesn't count, because "you" are only "195.65.194.139" and readers can't verify the information from that.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 13:10, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Teams aren't added until there is at least 1 driver signed for the team for that year, or other reliable sources saying they will definitely compete (as Haas F1 have). No reliable sources say that Sauber have any drivers signed for 2016, and so shouldn't be added. Also, it's definitely not certain Manor Marussia will be competing next season, given that they have almost no money. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Viewing deletions
How can you view deletions that occur before December 23, 2004? They are not shown in the log, nor do the pages show a box with a red background stating the deletions. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:13, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There's a list of old deletions at Deletion log. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:22, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Baptist Health South Florida
I recently have noticed that the overall Baptist Health South Florida information is not on one page. Instead, they are broken up into a couple of locations, all of them with inaccurate information. I just recently tried submitting a page with information about the overall entire organization, including all locations and specialties that they offer. The page was rejected due to unambiguous advertising(G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion). When submitting this page, I did my best to be completely factual. I’m messaging you (support) for any insight that could help me in fixing this problem. I’m willing to do what it takes to get the correct accurate information out there based on this organization.

When you have a chance, please let us know how we can help and what we can do to correct this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartyMatt22 (talk • contribs) 14:39, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm a bit confused by your first sentence, since Baptist Health seems to be just what you are asking for - however, I have just tagged it as unsatisfactory because it has no independent sources at all. A Wikipedia article should be based entirely on reliable published sources, and almost entirely on sources unconnected with the subject: your "based on this organization" is exactly what we do not do.
 * I haven't found the draft you're referring to, that was rejected (this is the first edit you have made from this account), so I can't see exactly what in contained. But from your language I'm guessing that you are connected with the organisation - if this is so, you have a Conflict of interest, and it is to be expected that you find it difficult to write in a sufficiently neutral way.
 * I suggest you look at Baptist Health, and concentrate on finding independent reliable sources which talk about it. If there are changes you would like to see in the article, make suggestions on the article's talk page Talk:Baptist Health, with references. P

Title of page
Dear Sir/Madame

I just made a new page. The title has appeared as 'Montagu marks', but as a proper name should have been 'Montagu Marks' with a capital 'M' for Marks. How can this be corrected?

Many thanks, Anthony Pettifer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandstormasia (talk • contribs) 14:59, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You should first click more, which is on the top of the page, and click move. Then you should enter the correct title and press move. Supdiop ( Talk 🔹 Contribs ) 15:08, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The above post has a typo. You should click "move" (not "more").   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:06, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * With the default settings you first click "more" and then "move", but the user doesn't have the "move" link yet. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:15, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Really? I had no idea.  My pages have a "move" tab, but not a "more" tab.  So I assumed your post was a typo.  Thanks.  Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:19, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * You cannot move pages yet since your account is not autoconfirmed. The page has been moved to Montagu Marks. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:39, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Adding a topic to Wikipedia
I go to Wikipedia for Everything, and yes, I contribute. Now I would like to contribute content. I am on several support lists, and am also in touch with organizational leaders of elder groups who are concerned about a new phenomenon, GAS, or Grandparent Alienation Syndrome. If you type in any search engine "grandparent, estranged, alienated, epidemic" there is an enormous amount of links - but nothing on Wikipedia!

So, I have decided I would volunteer to write on this topic and edit this page as more information becomes available. I have written an article that is a summary of the many experiences and the feedback from the support pages that discuss this topic. It's been discussed that it should be included as a syndrome in the Diagnostic Manual of Mental Disorders, although it's not in there yet. But it's enough of a topic that it surely should be on Wikipedia.

How do I go about this? I don't see this as just a 'my interest' page, but something that should be a generally searchable topic in the search engines so that more can be recognized and written about what is happening with this phenomenon. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CricketSail (talk • contribs) 18:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You would first need to establish that RELIABLY published sources (not blogs or forum chats) have covered the subject in a significant manner. If you can do that, then follow the WP:AFC process.  --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  18:33, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * At present, while blogs have plenty on this topic, there's not much in reliable published sources. The best I can find, it's no. 55 when I Google for "Grandparental Alienation Syndrome", is this from the HuffPost. Unless you can find a couple more sources at least as good as that one, any article you write is likely to be rejected. Maproom (talk) 21:23, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Editing old revisions
If you edit an old revision, it should display "You are editing an old revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since then will be removed.". Does this mean that all edits in between will be gone from the page history and user contributions? GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 19:05, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * They won't be removed from the page history or user contributions, but they will be removed from the live version of the article. If someone else since fixed a typo, you might re-introduce it. Huon (talk) 19:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * by editing and saving an old revision, you are in effect first reverting to that old version, and then your edit starts from there. Only edit and save an old version if this is your desired object, and then it is a good idea to indicate in an edit summary why you are reverting, or explain on the talk page, or better yet, both. DES (talk) 23:36, 17 July 2015 (UTC)