Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 July 24

= July 24 =

Draft:Astari Nite
I have been working on a project fir Asrari Nite Band but keep getting turned down I have no affiliation to the band and do not expect to get any comppensation just sharing a neutral collection of articles and history for the purpose that others may benefit from their great art as I have, I can prove I work for a financial institution for over 18 years and have nothing to do with the music industry. are you really sharing notable artists or just the one you seem worthy? it;s a bit prejudise if you ask meAstaridreams (talk) 01:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC) makimg me very sad


 * The reasons why your draft has not been accepted are fully explained at the top of the page you created. Please follow the instructions there.  General Ization   Talk   01:29, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Church of the Messiah, Birmingham
Please check what is incorrect with my edit on the "Church of the Messiah, Birmingham" page. Also, the link of the "Martineau family" page is still not correct - Birmingham's Unitarian Church - in the opening paragraph. Please help Thanks again, Ted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.177.17 (talk)


 * Fixed in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Church_of_the_Messiah,_Birmingham&diff=672823714&oldid=672820530] and . Accessdates cannot be in the future so 2105 is disallowed. "July 24 2015" is a disallowed date format. "July 24, 2015" with a comma or "24 July 2015" is allowed. Wikilinks to other Wikipedia pages start and end with double square brackets . PrimeHunter (talk) 03:12, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Date of Birth for Bruce Washington, Jr. aka "Hussein Fatal"
FYI, this young man was born in 1973 and not 77. Please correct the date as per his mother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.178.76 (talk • contribs) 03:31, 24 July 2015‎ (UTC)


 * Sources cited at the article support the birth date listed. Also, cited sources state that he was 38 at the time of his death this month, which would make the year of his birth 1977, not 1973. We cannot change articles here per anyone's mother (i.e., without a reliable, published source).  General Ization   Talk   04:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Google searches on his name and 1973 or 1977 show both years are commonly stated. I'm not sure which is right. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:18, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually, just found a more reliable ref than any previously cited at the article, and it says he was 42 when killed this month. The Atlanta Journal Constitution says they have a copy of the Georgia State Patrol report on the accident that killed Washington, so I'm going to take that as authoritative and change the article. No doubt the conflicting sources mean that there will be edit wars over this.  General Ization   Talk   23:21, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Visual Editor Infobox Editing Malfunction
I've been trying to edit several infoboxes using VisualEditor. I have done so many times in the past without issue. However, recently, when I try to "add more information" by searching for a field name and clicking on it, it simply highlights the item but does not add it. I've tried this with several infoboxes with several different fields that I've confirmed exist for that infobox and the same odd malfunction occurs. Does anyone have any insight? Ergo Sum (talk) 04:28, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I never use VisualEditor and don't know how it normally works. Please use VisualEditor/Feedback. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Ref 68 on page - "Ancestry charts of Diana Spencer and Catherine Middleton"
Please can you link the words Peter Francis Middleton in with the page "Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge'. His name is on the chart Thanks so much Reed
 * ✅ Rwessel (talk) 06:20, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Use of Template:C21 year in topic for future years
User:Googgoollman7777 has added Template:C21 year in topic to a fair number of pages set in the future. For example, 2020, 2042, 2065. This template is used to reasonable effect for past years (for example, 2013), but for the distant future dates, pretty much every link in the resulting infobox is red. Note that 2020 actually has a few active links, one the order of 20 active links, and 100+ redlinks, but 2042 or 2065 have no active links. And of the active links on 2020, many are circular references to that same page (all the month links, for example). I'm pretty sure there's no purpose being served by big, bulky, infoboxes with few if any active links.

Anyway, I'm here since this is an issue affecting multiple pages, and Template talk:C21 year in topic is a pretty sleepy page.

Is there some guideline on appropriate usage here? I'm tempted to remove all uses beyond the next year or two. Rwessel (talk) 06:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Syedsajidali8 (talk • contribs) 07:02, 24 July 2015‎ (UTC)


 * The problem which your edits to Comparison of platform virtualization software caused is that the named reference "vmware2" is invoked but you deleted the definition of that reference. A problem which already existed before your recent edits is the opposite type, in that that the reference named "sosc-dr" has been defined but not used in the content of the page. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Identity of contributors.
If I contribute an article to wikepedia and want my name to be displayed as the contributor, will this be allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.63.210.92 (talk • contribs) 10:55, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. At the bottom of the edit box, it says "By clicking the "Save page" button, you agree to the Terms of Use and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL with the understanding that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient for CC BY-SA 3.0 attribution." The CC BY-SA license used by Wikipedia means that you do receive attribution to some extent, but this only means that your IP address (or username) will be displayed in the page history. I'm afraid we can't let you write "written by ___" or anything similar anywhere in the article. However, if you create an account, you will be able to create a user page which can hold a certain amount of information about pages you've created, articles you've helped with etc. It's also worth mentioning that your contributions will also be able to be edited by others, so pages you create/change will not remain in that state forever. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 11:04, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * You should also be aware, if you are the editor responsible for yesterday, that vandalism on Wikipedia is frowned upon. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:24, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

multiple citations from a book
Hi! I'm trying to figure out the preferred way (if there is one) to do multiple citations from a book. Right now I've got them all listed separately using (open ref)Woellert 2013 p.10(close ref) and only a single instance of the full citation information because the page numbers are different for each citation, which I think means I can't group them together. Is there a better way? Should I use the full citation each time instead? Put in a reference section with the full citation instead of citing it once fully in the reflist? I've just started using ProveIt, if there's any help there. I do actually want to include the page numbers -- if there's ever a dispute, I don't want to have to read the entire book again to tell someone where to find the appropriate information. Thanks for any help! Article is at Cincinnati chili if that's of assistance. valereee (talk) 12:34, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * You will find advice at Citing sources and at Help:References and page numbers. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:45, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * AH! That rp template was exactly what I was trying to find! Thank you! valereee (talk) 13:59, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Pre-disambiguating Articles about People
I recently created an article about an old Member of Parliament; as people's names are reused throughout history I thought it sensible to pre-disambiguate the title to differentitiate it from future articles about different people with the same name, e.g. I called it 'William Brokesby (Leics MP 1404)' instead of just plain 'William Brokesby' (N.B. other MP articles also seem to have an (MP) disambig added to their titles.)

My page has just been moved to 'William Brokesby' by another user who cites that no disambig is needed as there isn't another William Brokesby page yet! Surely this is a backward step as people's names are not unique and it is only a question of time before disambiguation is needed? Using a bit of forward thinking when creating a person article saves a lot of renaming/redirection in the the future. What are other peoples views?

My original page is here William_Brokesby_(Leics_MP_1404) but has been turned into a redirect to William Brokesby. Sliven2000 (talk) 13:06, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * If at some stage it needs disambiguating, that can be done at that time. It would be idiotic to disambiguate every article just on the off-chance that something else of the same title might come along in the future. Disambiguation says "Disambiguation is required whenever, for a given word or phrase on which a reader might search, there is more than one existing Wikipedia article to which that word or phrase might be expected to lead." That refers to existing Wikipedia articles, not ones which might or might not be written later. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:14, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The only exception which comes to mind is when you know for a fact that there are other persons of that name who are prima facie notable, and about whom an article will inevitably be created (e.g., if there were other MPs of that name). -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  14:52, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In the last case, if there are other people, wouldn't it be appropriate to create a disambiguation page and redlink the other people? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe so. WP:DABRL covers the subject, but the same page also says "A disambiguation page should not be made up completely of red links or have only one blue link on the entire page, because the basic purpose of disambiguation is to refer users to other Wikipedia pages."  For obviously notable redlinks (like other MPs), I think the latter rule is probably ignorable.  OTOH, creating a stub for an MP would not be hard either, which solves all the problems. Rwessel (talk) 17:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there any harm in creating a more descriptive article title like 'William Brokesby (MP)' compared to just plain 'William Brokesby' though? Sliven2000 (talk) 06:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * As it would blur the guideline cited by David Biddulph above, yes. Guidelines should be observed except where there is good reason not to, and I just like it is not a good reason. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  06:28, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Adding another alphabet in the same page
I'm starting to add information on the ladino language (in hebrew letters) page, but there are some articles that only have latin letters (like https://lad.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika) and I'm wondering: How can I add new information in different alphabet within the same page? I've seen it's sort of another tab (like in this article: https://lad.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleswig-Holstein)I just don't know hot to add it. I hope you can help me please Papantoine (talk) 17:54, 24 July 2015 (UTC)Papantoine


 * Hello, . This is the English Wikipedia. The Ladino Wikipedia is an entirely separate project: there may well be nobody here who knows anything about it. I guess you're talking about the 'Crear fuente' tab; but I have no idea how that is set up. You might get some help posting a question at lad:Vikipedya:Kafe/Propuestas. --ColinFine (talk) 00:01, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Image upload behaving weird
I've recently uploaded a new poster for the article The Day the Sky Exploded (great title!). However, the image itself seems to be having strangely in the infobox and on the article itself. The page appears to be fine. A little help anyone? The image can be found here:. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:05, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see what you mean. It seems to be fine in the infobox.  Could you be more descriptive about how you feel it is "behaving strangely"?  Dismas |(talk) 19:36, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm. when I see it in my browser, I don't see it in the infobox. I see a "broken-image" trying to load. It worked fine on my phone when I viewed it today on the bus, but on a desktop pc, it just shows a big broken image, as if something was supposed to load, but did not. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:35, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw the same broken image (I'm using Google Chrome on my laptop) on both The Day the Sky Exploded and File:The Day the Sky Exploded poster.jpg until just a few seconds ago. Strangely, the proper image just suddenly became visible as soon as I came to comment here. Perhaps you could try just looking at the page again, and maybe purge it if the image still doesn't load after a minute or two. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 20:39, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * See WP:VPT. The problem seems to be site-wide and known, but not fixed. DES (talk) 23:26, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

autobiography??
There is a page about me on Wikipedia, which has been there for a few years now. I'm a reasonably well known classicist, have published a few books. It's legit. I notice that the page is now labelled "autobiography". This is weird. It's not an autobiography. I didn't write any of it. I'd rather have the page just taken down than have it up there as a supposed vanity project. How do I delete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uprosethesun (talk • contribs)


 * Are we to assume you are referring to the article on Emily Wilson? If so, please notice that the tag also says "or has been extensively edited by the subject or an institution related to the subject."  If this is the article you're referring to, you have edited it in the past.  Perhaps WP:AUTOBIO would be a beneficial read for you.  Especially the middle two sections about problems with an article.  I hope this helps, Dismas |(talk) 19:34, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * It seems that Uprosethesun has edited the Emily Wilson article, and some of her edits have strongly implied that she is (or was claiming to be) Emily Wilson. Maybe she now regrets her edits, and recognises that they were against Wikipedia policy. What can she do to get the "autobiography" tag removed? I guess I, or any other editor, could figure out what she has added to the article, delete it, and remove the tag – would that be reasonable? Maproom (talk) 21:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I have removed the tag. It is not against policy for article subjects to add sourced factual information to an article, particularly non-controversial information. The usual way to deal with such a tag is that an experienced non-COI editor reveiws the edits and perhaps supportign soruces and verifies that they do not introduce bias or promotional ism, or compromise NPOV. If that is so, the tag can be removed. DES (talk) 22:09, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Image thumb issues
Hello!

I'm having some trouble getting my image thumb to display. I'm working on the Assistance Dog page, trying to add an image of a facility dog that I uploaded earlier today. The image itself was uploaded successfully, but unfortunately, the image thumb only displays white text. When you click the image thumb, it properly displays the file. The image can be found at File:AstroCourthouseFacilityDog.jpg

I'm not sure what's going on. I uploaded it as a jpg, which was the only error I saw other people making when I searched the help page. I'd love some suggestions/help if anyone feels up to it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryangorey (talk • contribs) 19:05, 24 July 2015‎

Thanks so much.
 * , See WP:VPT. The problem seems to be site-wide and known, but not fixed. DES (talk) 23:24, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Having same issue... I thought I was going nuts. —Мандичка YO 😜 07:45, 25 July 2015 (UTC)