Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 July 25

= July 25 =

Copyright owner and requesting removal of URL.
If a book is published and also available entirely on the web, does the copyright holder have any ability to have the URL for the book removed from citations that use this book? (If it helps in terms of possible alternatives, the URL which contains the book has been archived by archive.org, twice.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talk • contribs) 02:11, 25 July 2015‎ (UTC)


 * I can think of no reason why we would do so unless the citation was linking a copyright violation. It would help though if you gave us more details - what is the title of the book, and where is it being cited? AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:47, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Here are the details, I assume. The book is a fraternity history. Maproom (talk) 06:41, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * A quick Google search reveals that the hosting company, enivation.com, has a good number of fraternity/sorority histories on its website; either several of these groups have been working with the company to digitise their histories, or someone's attempting to get them all "revealed", perhaps in a manner reminiscent of the historic Anti-Masonry movement. I think it best to chat with the user in question and to point her to OTRS if she wants to have a non-public discussion.  If she says it's purely a copyright issue, that it was put on the host website without permission, we can easily cite it as a book without violating WP:COPYLINK, but if it's a matter of "keep our secrets secret", we should retain the link.  Nyttend (talk) 11:40, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I would agree, and I would be much more persuaded if the copyright holder had issued a DMCA takedown notice to the host site. Was there an on-wiki request not to use this? DES (talk) 11:48, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * See this edit and the one after it, and this one too. More details.  I've left a request for more information, asking in particular if the copyright holder considered it a copyright infringement or if they wanted it down for some other reason.  I'm not going to suggest DCMA for fear of a frivolous request, but I did ask the user (who isn't the copyright holder) if copyright were the reason for the request.  Nyttend (talk) 12:03, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * As Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act says, "Section 512(f) deters false claims of infringement by imposing liability on anyone who makes such claims, for the damages suffered by other parties as a result of the OSP’s reliance on the false claim, and for associated legal fees." Thus there is a deterrent to filing frivolous take downs, and that one has been filed is some evidence of good faith. DES (talk) 15:56, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Not one bit. Just browse through the year subcategories of foundation:Category:DMCA and you'll easily find numerous spurious ones.  Some years ago, for example, a user filed a takedown request for self-created images after they were kept at a Commons deletion debate that he started (he created and uploaded them himself, without incorporating other people's works, so they couldn't have been copyvios), while more recently, an "artist" got an image of one of his "sculptures" removed despite its PD status: I can't remember the details, but it was a permanently situated work either in a freedom-of-panorama country (i.e. not an infringement to photograph it) or a PD-US-no notice work published in the US before 1978 (i.e. not copyrighted at all).  Commons:Commons:Office_actions/DMCA_notices shows an incident of an image being taken down because it displayed a painting published in the USA in 1876!  When you want something to come down, and your opponents have to choose between challenging it and risking a lawsuit versus not challenging it and having just a little damage to their hobby of contributing to a website without compensation, you're extremely unlikely to get challenged, no matter how frivolous your complaint.  Nyttend (talk) 17:48, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In regards to Enivation, their main page indicates that their business is taking Fraternity and Sorority documents and scanning them to make them available, and includes a testimony from the executive national director of another national sorority (in the same Council as Theta Phi Alpha) so with their business, the idea that they have the book online illegally is loopy to me.
 * So the *only* scenario that makes sense to me is that Theta Phi Alpha contracted with Enviation to put their history book into the flipbook publishing mode (since the document is *very* well done, Enviation either had access to original PDF, or spent a lot of money or both) expecting that only sisters would be given the URL so that it would be private. This is them trying to put the Genie back into the bottle, even though it has been both googled and archive.org'ed.Naraht (talk) 20:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't see that part on their website. So yes, it would be absurd to think that the ÞFA book was a copyvio when this kind of thing is their whole business model.  Not a situation where we should remove the URL.  Nyttend (talk) 03:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Editing article title
I just created an article called "Heather barnett (artist)". Unfortunately I did not capitalize the "b" in "barnett," but it should be capitalized. How do I change it? Greg Dahlen (talk) 12:24, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * See here: Moving_a_page. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 12:36, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * thanks, jeraphine, would not have thought of that Greg Dahlen (talk) 13:04, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for creating the article. This raises a question about disambiguation.  Currently Heather Barnett refers to a murder victim and is a redirect.  Since the artist is notable in her own right, should she be the primary Heather Barnett with a redirect for the murder victim, or should the primary be a disambiguation?  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I would say, make the artist primary with a hatnote (not a rediret technically) but that is the sort of thing that could be discussed on the article talk page, or via the process of WP:RM. DES (talk) 01:40, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I am taking this to what is now Talk: Heather Barnett (artist). Robert McClenon (talk) 17:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Hugo Chinchilla
Hice mi articulo y puse una referencia fiable pero aun aparece que no he puesto una referencia? como hago para quitar eso que me aparece escrito sobre mi articulo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arimatea55 (talk • contribs)


 * Using Google Translate, I guess they are asking about the BLPPROD on Hugo Chinchilla. However, this is English Wikipedia, all articles and communication should be in English. If you want to contribute in Spanish, you should use Spanish Wikipedia. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:34, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I have removed the PROD from the page because the article does not exist on the Spanish Wikipedia. The correct action is to move it there, not delete it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:53, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * For everyone else's information: as I noted to Dodger67 on WP:PNT, the correct action is the one spelled out at WP:PNT. —Largo Plazo (talk) 16:24, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Could someone please communicate with User:Arimatea55 in Spanish to explain the problem. The editor is repeatedly removing all the tags at the top of the page while adding content and references. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:35, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Repeating the request by Dodger67: We assume that some of the editors who watch this Help Desk know Spanish.  The editor in question may not know enough English to understand the messages.  Can someone please advise him in Spanish?  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:33, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I've already written a couple of things to him in Spanish about his autobiography at User talk:Arimatea55. The BLPPROD is gone (though not because of the link to a medical article he wrote), and I think that's what he was writing about. Let me take another look. —Largo Plazo (talk) 21:03, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * En este momente, quedan tres avisos a los editores: que el artículo es una autobiografía (lo que es obvio), que es huérfano (lo que es verdad, es para enterar a la gente que todavía no existe ningún artículo con enlaces que lleven a ese artículo) y que se necesita poner el artículo en formato Wikipedia, con títulos, etc.
 * At this time, three warnings to editors remain: that the article is an autobiography (which is obvious), that it's an orphan (which is true, it's to inform people that there are still no articles with links leading to that article) and that the article needs to be put into Wikipedia format, with headings, etc. —Largo Plazo (talk) 21:14, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Halp D´huez Climbing records
Hi, good afternoon

I see that the Halp d´huez climbing records have been changed. Lance Amstrong don´t deserve to be there. After years of his team mates accuse him of drug consumption to raise cycling performances, he confess in public that he consume drugs to do so...

All of his titles in the Tour have been taken off, I don´t see why this confess drugged should be present in the Halp d´huez records...

Thanks rgds — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.120.77 (talk) 19:30, 25 July 2015‎ (UTC)


 * The IP seems to be referring to information at Alpe d'Huez (not Halp).  General Ization  Talk   19:33, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The place to propose changes to the article is its talk page, Alpe d'Huez. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:35, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, see Damnatio memoriae. We don't do it here.  The article already extensively mentions the revocation of Armstrong's titles.  General Ization   Talk   19:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, Lance Armstrong had all his results from 1998 onwards removed, see , therefore this includes his Alpe d'Huez time. The article did show this until an IP readded Armstrong's name, which I've now reverted. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:53, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree however about Damnatio memoriae in general on Wikipedia, but many cycling bans do remove all their results, as this one did. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:57, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks. Should Armstrong's ascents continue, then, to be listed under Ascent times?  General Ization   Talk   23:03, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, probably not, since says that USADA decided "to disqualify his competitive results and suspend him from all future competition.", and I'd count his climbing times under that. I'll raise the issue at Talk:Alpe d'Huez though. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:11, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Socialist Alternative (Malaysia)
I have had another go at editing an article on Socialist Alternative (Malaysia). I have noted the point made by and added the synonym CWI Malaysia to the article. The Encyclopaedia of Trotskyism On Line has updated its entry to show Socialist Alternative and Sosialis Alternatif. There are two other sources that are completely independent of anything socialist. The KL Review, an on-line magazine and Roketkini a website of the Democratic Action Party which is the largest opposition party in the Malaysian parliament. Please have a look and consider allowing it. The latest version is in my sandbox. User:Vahvistus/sandbox Earlier I left a version of this message at Humbug! as he deleted an earlier version but he says " I have no problems with you asking another admin on my behalf.". Vahvistus (talk) 20:15, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
Why is there still a red notice on the Patrick Hennessy re. citation when the problem has been solved?snowpatrol 21:14, 25 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seascaper (talk • contribs)


 * Are you referring to Patrick Hennessy? I'm not seeing any cite errors when I view the page, which was last edited in March. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 21:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I can see in your contributions that it is about Patrick Hennessy (painter). Your edit [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patrick_Hennessy_%28painter%29&diff=673061779&oldid=673061242] added  at the start where the error message was displayed. You probably accidentally clicked a link below the edit box while the cursor was at the start of the edit box. I have removed the code. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Forgot to log in so IP address shows at edit history
Forgot to log in so IP address shows at edit

How do I change IP address to log in since I forgot when I did edit. Draftgal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Draftgal (talk • contribs) 23:07, 25 July 2015‎ (UTC)
 * Generally speaking, you don't, since the edits you made when you weren't logged in are recorded in your IP's history, not in yours, and cannot be attributed to you.  General Ization  Talk   23:12, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The edit cannot be reassigned to your account but the IP address can be hidden if you have privacy concerns. See Requests for oversight. Some users change their interface to look different when they are logged in, for example by adding this to :


 * 1) wpSave {background-color: green;}
 * It will make a green background on Save page when you are logged in, indicating it is safe to press the button. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:31, 25 July 2015 (UTC)