Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 July 6

= July 6 =

MP3 to ogg converter
Can anyone recommend a (freeware) converter to convert an MP3 file to ogg format for upload to Wikimedia Commons? Clivemacd (talk) 00:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:Audio may have what you're looking for. -- &oelig; &trade; 03:08, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Image Question
I am seeking to provide a new logo to the Ramboll Environ page. I went to the Upload File section under Tools, completed the information and uploaded the new file but it does not appear on the page. The prior logo is out of date and should be replaced to reflect a December 2014 acquisition. Please advise if you can post this based on what was provided and/or what steps I should take.

Thank you.

ChurchillTKU — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChurchillTKU (talk • contribs) 00:49, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅. The logo= parameter in the infobox needed to be updated, . see this edit DES (talk) 02:11, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I have an auto block 4 year ban on my computer about wikipedia but not on other computers
What gives? Venustar84 (talk) 01:12, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The block/ban applies to the person, not the computer. Some of the technical implementations of blocks have collateral impact / cannot immediately catch a evasion. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  01:33, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * According to your talk page, you have misused sock puppet accounts in the past, which were all blocked from editing at some point. There are other discussions in there indicating that you have continued to misuse sock puppets. Is it possible that your computer is automatically logging into one of those past sock puppet accounts? When you say "other computers", are they other computers on the same network (under the same external public IP), or on different networks? If they are on different networks, your IP could have potentially been blocked. If they are on the same network and you are using the same user, try using a different browser first. Note: I am not an administrator and do not have detailed knowledge of how they block/ban accounts, these are just common-sense guesses as to possible causes for your issue. Garzfoth (talk) 01:39, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Your IP address may have been hard blocked based on previous discussion, so IP block exempt right may help you. You should request the right from Unblock Ticket Request System. Supdiop  (talk) 11:16, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Women at the Naval Academy
Why does almost the whole piece on women at the Naval Academy focus on sexual harassment and alcohol abuse? Really? Is that all that can be printed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:C100:36AE:D8AD:3FD:6ABF:2F72 (talk) 03:05, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You should raise this sort of concern at the article talk page, not here. DES (talk) 03:35, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Problem with floating images
There is a problem on the Italian cuisine article. See the link on my talk page User talk:Mimarx to a screen shot, the floating image in the sardinia subsection floats below that section and gets overlayed on the following table, as do images on the right. It happens when you have a wide browser window, so the height of the article text is shorter than the stack of images. Is there a way to fix an image to a subsection, and/or is this a bug, either in wiki or in Firefox (38.0.5 on Win7/64) as it doesn't happen if I use IE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mimarx (talk • contribs) 07:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It also doesn't appear to happen in Chrome, although the images get floated to a rather odd position in the following section. One thing you can do is insert some

statements near the section boundaries - that will prevent images from flowing into adjacent sections. For example, you could add one just before the "Sardinia" and "Meal structure" headings. On the flip side, if the text is not long enough (which is obviously more likely if the display is wide), you'll get empty areas. Template:stack might be of use too. Rwessel (talk) 08:42, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

making a subcategory
I created the category "Jesuits in Belize" but cannot find help on how to make this a subcategory of "Jesuits by country". Help please.jzsj 09:04, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * There is no such category as "Jesuits by country". I believe you may want to make "Jesuits in Belize" a subcategory of "Category:Jesuits by nationality". However, according to the style usually used in the category, the category should be named as "Belizean Jesuits". The Average Wikipedian (talk) 09:14, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Place  (or   to sort it correctly) on Category:Jesuits in Belize to make it a subcategory. But yes, Category:Belizean Jesuits would follow the convention in both Category:Jesuits by nationality and Category:Belizean people by religion. Jzsj, a move of a category is usually a bureaucratic process requiring discussion but if the author of a recently created category agrees with the move then it can be done swiftly. Do you agree with it? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:54, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt replies. I see now my mistake, that photo categories are different from article categories. I located this properly placed in "Commons".jzsj 13:02, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, you created both Category:Jesuits in Belize and commons:Category:Jesuits in Belize. Commons edits are not shown at Special:Contributions/Jzsj so I didn't see it. Commons and Wikipedia have different conventions but everything we said still applies to the Wikipedia Category:Jesuits in Belize. The Commons category should also be added to commons:Category:People of Belize or one of its subcategories (they don't have as many categories as Wikipedia). By the way, your signature should include a link to a page for your account, usually User:Jzsj. The easiest way to do that is to remove the checkmark at "Treat the above as wiki markup" at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:27, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks.jzsj (talk) 13:35, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

User subpage deletion request
User:Lou Sander/Canadian Troops is no longer needed. Would some kindly Administrator please delete it. Lou Sander (talk) 09:09, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not an administrator so I can't delete the page, but the best way to get an admin's attention to delete a user page is to nominate it for speedy deletion under criterion U1. This automatically lists the page in a category where admins can easily find it. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 09:40, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

sitting
Acorrding to the American Journal of Epidemiology, the average American Spend —————————% of their waking time, totaling ————————————— hours, in sedentary behaviors such as sitting === — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF5A:C130:54E9:6A7B:4CD8:CDF1 (talk) 13:50, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * That may well be so, but do you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia?--ukexpat (talk) 14:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This looks like a question for the reference deak.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Create Page
I was trying to create a page, however according to the editor it require reliable references. She gave some link to information on how to create references but I was need more simple explanation and straight to the point. So what what kind of reliable reference is need it to backup the page that I have created. Here is the link to the page on the sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:PT._Sosial_Teknologi_Teknologi I'm really still confuse about this reliable references thing. Hopefully somebody can help me with a clear and straight to the point explanation.

Many thanks --Marthatcastro (talk) 15:40, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the rules we have are fairly complex but this page is designed to simplify things as much as possible. In my own words, what you need for that article is three or four references which discuss Socmedtech in detail, and were not written by Socmedtech or any company or person associated with it. The references should also be "reliable": this means that they were written by some kind of professional. For instance, an online newspaper article or book is usually reliable, while a blog or forum is not. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 15:55, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You need to show readers where you learned the information in the article; where they can verify that what the article says is true, and not made up out of your head or exaggerated. You cannot do that by citing information the company has generated, like their website or press releases, because companies have a tendency to exaggerate their achievements and importance.  Instead you need to use secondary sources, such as news articles written by independent journalists.  You can cite your sources using citation templates.  In the little bar above where you type there's a dropdown menu called Templates; and several common ones are there.  They'll pop up a box which you fill in with as much information as you can, like who wrote the book or article, what date it was written, where it appeared, etc. Let me know if you need help.~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 16:12, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Renaming an article title by "moving" the page
Let's say that some editor renames an article title by "moving" the page (from the "old article title" to a "new article title"). Let's say that I then want to revert that edit, so that the "old article title" is restored. Can I simply check "undo" on their edit? Or do I have to actually "move" the page again a second time (back to the "old article title")? I tried hitting "undo". I get a red message that says "It seems that this edit has already been undone." But, then, nothing changes. It doesn't seem to me that the edit "has already been undone". The article title still stays at the "new" title, and does not restore back to the "old" title (as I had desired). The article in question is: Dismissal of U.S. attorneys in 2006. When I click "undo" on the most recent edit, I get a red message that says "The edit appears to have already been undone." But, it hasn't been undone. And it does not get "undone" by my clicking "undo". What gives? And how do I "undo" that last edit? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * , I believe that you actually have to use the move tool again to move it back. If there were no other edits to the redir left behind you can do this without admin rights. If there is any additional edit history to the redir you would be moving over, and admin would need to do the move back. However you might want to start a move discussion as described at requested moves and WP:MOVE. Move wars are even worse than edit wars. DES (talk) 17:09, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. But, that's the whole point.  The other editor moved it unilaterally, without starting any move discussions.  So, I want to move it back to its original state, until some move discussion or Talk Page consensus dictates otherwise.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:22, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The "undo" option only works to change the content of a page, e.g. this edit. It can't do anything that's more fundamental, such as pagemoves or protections; all of those are non-content edits that (as far as I can tell) are added to the page history simply to ensure that the action is obvious and isn't lost in a log somewhere.  Are you talking about moving it back to Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy?  That's technically possible for you, because as DESiegel notes, it's not been edited other than the act of creating the redirect via the pagemove.  Nyttend (talk) 18:25, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Yes, I just moved it back.    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * It's confusing that moves have an "undo" link in page histories. "undo" tries to revert changes to the page content but there are no changes to revert so the software thinks it has already been done. T6433 and T88680 are about it. Moves actually do have a well-hidden revert link in the page logs of the old title: 1) Click the old title in the edit summary for the move. 2) Click "Redirected from [old title]". 3) Click "View history". 4) Click "View logs for this page". 5) Click the "revert" link at the move. 6) Now you finally get a filled out move form where you can just click "Save move" if the defaults are OK. Phew! Most users probably don't know this, and those who do know it probably prefer to just make a new move and manually fill out the move form. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:33, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. So, is that why a red message appears that says: "The edit appears to have already been undone"?   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:26, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, that message appears when you try to undo to something the page already says. I think page moves were originally only shown in the page logs and not the page history. That was annoying so at some time they were added to the page history but it was only designed for page edits. A move became listed as an edit with no change and a special edit summary. It's not optimal but much better than not having the move listed at all. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:21, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:44, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Links in quotes
I seem to recall a guideline that we do not insert wiki-links into attributed quotations. But I can't find this in Quotations, nor in Manual_of_Style. Is it somewhere else? Or has it been changed? Or perhaps is my memory incorrect? The issue is this edit to Mahler on the Couch which has recently been undone during copy edits. I want to reinstate it, but would prefer to be able to quote relevant guidance when doing so. DES (talk) 17:05, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It's at Manual of Style, near the end of Manual of Style. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Changing main image.
Hi Admin,

I want to learn how to edit main article picture as there are many old pictures for Celebrities in my Country, so I think updating pictures might improve wikipedia more.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bilalwikier (talk • contribs) 17:15, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * First, if you are referring to pictures you have found on the internet, they are almost certainly copyright and therefore inappropriate to be uploaded. If you have images which are clearly public domain, to which you own the copyright, or which the copyright owner has given clear permission to reuse for all purposes, please follow these instructions:


 * If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
 * If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add  to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 17:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I want to be a Wikipedia editor
Hello,

My name is Sam (or my Wikipedia name William239). For several years and continuing today, I have had a very big interest in Wikipedia. For a while now, one of my favorite things to do in my spare time would be to go to the portals directory on Wikipedia and click on one after another, browsing, skimming, and learning new interesting facts about the world we live in. A couple of weeks ago, I thought it would be a good idea, since I love Wikipedia and adore it for the vast amount of information it contains, that I would start joining some Wikiprojects and take some of my time to work to make Wikipedia a better place for research. I have always gotten sad when I heard people tell me that Wikipedia is not a reliable source and I hope to change Wikipedia so that the number of people who don't trust Wikipedia drops dramatically. Would anybody be willing to give me a little introduction on editing Wikipedia, tell me how I can help improve articles, and provide me with some useful links for learning how to be a good Wikipedia contributor?

Your Fellow Wikipedian, Sam (William239) William239 (talk) 18:25, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * A welcome message with multiple links to Wikipedia policies has been posted to your talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:49, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * How do I find the assessment summary page for any given article so I know what I can do to help if I go to an article and I want to improve itWilliam239 (talk) 18:57, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Not every article has an assessment summary page. If they do, they will be linked somewhere at the top of the talk page. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 19:00, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Maintenance is a good place to start if you want to help. -- &oelig; &trade; 03:55, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Neutrality and possible scam page: How and when will the page show common warning on top of it.
I am only a Wiki frequent user. Today I try to search a possible scammer Mehran Tavakoli Keshe, who claims to have produce free energy. The short article about this person has already a warning writing in the beginning of the content about possible scam using wiki page. I don't know wiki's verifying mechanism and don't know how to edit, raise concern, and possibly send this article for a review board or something like that.

How can I make this article start to show the common warning about neutrality or even scam and ads? Titanium0107 (talk) 19:50, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ew, that article is a mess. I'm going to see if I can get it deleted. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The article has been proposed for deletion. If the author contests the deletion, it can be instead nominated for deletion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Salvatore J. Stolfo
Reference help requested.

I received this message:

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. It is as follows:

On the Salvatore J. Stolfo page, your edit caused a DOI error (help). (Fix | Ask for help) Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:21, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

The edit in question is large, though, and I'm not sure where the DOI error is occurring. Could you offer some clarification?

Thanks, Hatebott (talk) 20:22, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * This is what the article looked like just after your edit. Scroll down to the References section, where you will see a red error message following one of the references: Check |doi= value. That tells you which citation has a problem. You could then go to the location in the article where that citation occurs, edit that section, look at the value of the doi parameter, consult the template documentation if necessary, and correct the error. This template's documentation is at Template:Cite web.


 * However, in this case, it appears that the error was corrected by a different editor, Nihiltres, about five hours after your edit, in this edit. You can see this logged in the article's page history, which you can view by clicking "View history" at the top of the article page. The page history is an essential tool for understanding all sorts of situations. Learn it; live it; love it.


 * Does this clarify things a bit? &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  20:54, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Coordinates from wikidata
Re: this bot edit

I know nothing of coordinates and wikidata, and very little of wikidata in general.


 * The infobox in this article supports coordinates. Is there any reason not to move these coords to the infobox?
 * Just as a general hypothetical, is there any reason the article's coords need to agree with the wikidata coords? In other words, if editors judged that the coords were a little off, could they modify the article's coords without also changing the wikidata?

TIA. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  20:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Mail
Hello, I'm a contributor to the french wikipedia, so please be tolerant with my english writings. And I don't know if I'm in the right place for my problem. It is that I can't make the email feature to work. I have an address at gmail.com and I don't recieve the confirmation email. I tried another address (outlook.com) and it did work. But I would have prefer the other one. If anyone could have an idea ? I already asked the question on fr:Wikipédia:Questions techniques/semaine 27 2015 where another user thankfully tried to help, but he could not bring satisfaction. On Help:Email confirmation, Gmail seems to be reported as a working service however. Bloubéri (talk) 21:41, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Did you check your spam filter? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:11, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I never created any filter rules and there's nothing in the spam directory. Bloubéri (talk) 08:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In fact I solved my problem. All messages where readable by the "All mail" link which apparently corresponds to an archive . Bloubéri (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Why are edit pages invisible all of a sudden?
How come pages in edit mode are invisible at the moment? Sorry for typos, but ironically I cannot even see what the f*** I'm typing. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:54, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, that was quick. The problem seems to have been fixed already.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)