Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 June 24

= June 24 =

How can I delete a page with the wrong title
I'd like to know how I can delete a page with a wrong title from wikipedia. The page is empty and is redirecting to the correct page but I would like to just delete the empty page.

The page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edgar_Morris&redirect=no

I created the page and can delete the redirect but I want to delete the empty page itself - If I delete the redirect will that get rid of the page itself afterwards automatically?

Help is appreciated. Thanks, Edgar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emdmorais (talk • contribs) 01:01, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Only administrators can delete or undelete pages. You can add  if you created the page or you can use Redirects for discussion. Why do you want to delete it? It seems like a good redirect.  Supdiop  (talk)  01:17, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

You also deleted the article at Edgar Morris which had been started in 19 September 2007‎, and had had 120 edits to that point. The current article has therefore become detached from its entire edit history. This requires repairing before any consideration whatsoever can be given to deleting the redirect. Articles should always be moved, not copy-pasted, from one name to another. - Arjayay (talk) 08:40, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just undid yout speedy deletion request. The redirect is valid and I think it should not be deleted until incorrect links are fixed (e.g. in You Are The Blood). For incorrect links see Special:WhatLinksHere/Edgar_Morris. --CiaPan (talk) 05:29, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see Redirects are cheap - Arjayay (talk) 08:21, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I also note that on 4 March 2015 you did a copy-paste of the original article, from Edgar Morris to Edgar Morais.


 * Luckily it's not true the article has been deleted: its content has been deleted, but the whole history is still there. It can simply be reverted to the version https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edgar_Morris&oldid=649902206, then properly moved to Edgar Morais (which needs to be deleted before the move ...well, but it has its own history already [[file:sad.png]]). Some admin needed. --CiaPan (talk) 09:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ History merge done, the article still needs work, and the redirct should remain, unless discussed at WP:RFD. DES (talk) 13:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Copy-Paste
Many inexperienced enthusiastic Wikipedians think that copy-pasting an article is an appropriate way to deal with an article whose subject has more than one reasonable title, because they (being inexperienced enthusiastic Wikpedians) don't understand redirects. Copy-pasting is almost always meant well, and is almost always wrong. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:13, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

copy-vio ?
Edgar Morais seems a simple copy from IMDB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2273354/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm — where and how should I report it? --CiaPan (talk) 19:39, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * @CiaPan - If a section (or even a single paragraph) in an article is a clear copyvio it should simply be deleted, just be sure to explain the copyvio in the edit summary. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Prophecies of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Reference help requested.

Prophecies of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad seems to have Reference errors, also Paul the Apostle shows on the Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting. Lotje (talk) 03:41, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Lotje (talk) 03:41, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The error message says: " Cite error: A (see the help page) ." --David Biddulph (talk) 04:04, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references missing key
Hi, sorry to trouble you bu can you show me what needs to be done here in order to sole the "Cite error: A list-defined reference named "HP_shutter" is not used in the content (see the help page)." problem? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 12:53, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The error I saw there read "Cite error: A list-defined reference named "csiki-etal-abs-15357" is not used in the content (see the help page)." To fix it, I edited the entire article and searched for "csiki-etal-abs-15357". I found this as one of the "footnotes", and commented it off. Maproom (talk) 13:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The words "help page" in that error message are in blue, meaning that they are a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error references missing key. It looks as if the error (which seems to refer to "csiki-etal-abs-15357", not to "HP_shutter") was caused by . --David Biddulph (talk) 13:12, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your help, I'll try working on that kind of errors. Hopefully I'll manage, otherwise I'll have to trouble you again. Thank your for your time. Lotje (talk) 13:29, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Prince Music Theater
I work for the Philadelphia Film Society and we recently purchased the Prince Theater. We legally dropped the word "music" from the name of the venue and would like the title of the wikipedia article to read "Prince Theater". Thank you for the change.

Sbarnesfilmadelphia (talk) 14:57, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Has the change been published in a reliable source? Information in Wikipedia articles should satisfy verifiability concerns. DonIago (talk) 15:00, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * We also have a policy called WP:COMMONNAME where we may name things after their common name and not their official name e.g. Big Ben - X201 (talk) 15:05, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . To expand on what the other replies have said: Once a reliable source has documented the change of name, then the article can report that change, properly cited. But as long as the bulk of the independent reliable sources (such as major newspapers) that refer to it do so by the old name, then that should be the name of it in in Wikipedia, by the policy X201 mentions. I'm afraid your wishes are irrelevant, as the article belongs to Wikipedia, not to you.
 * Having said that, there is no reason why there should not be a redirection page called Prince Theater which will point to the existing article Prince Music Theater. Once the sources do pick up the new name, then the article may be moved to the new name (though if there is by then a redirection page, that may require assistance from an administrator). The move will automatically leave behind a redirection from the old name to the new. --ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Other than the fact that the old webpage now sends people to an "under construction" site, do you have any validation in reliably published sources to substantiate the name change? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  20:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

cite book doesn't like 10th century date

 * Scientus (talk) 16:42, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * According to a recent discussion, the "date" parameter should be the publication date for the version that is being cited. If the ISBN is correct, Amazon says that is 2014-12-08. The original publication date can be placed in orig-year. I've made an edit. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:54, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * According to a recent discussion, the "date" parameter should be the publication date for the version that is being cited. If the ISBN is correct, Amazon says that is 2014-12-08. The original publication date can be placed in orig-year. I've made an edit. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:54, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

POW newspaper
Help   I am trying to put up an article about a POW newspaper that was distributed to about 100 POW camps in the United States. It was written at a local POW camp during WW2. I have 2 problems. 1)  I started with the wrong title it should have been Der Ruf   but used De Rut .  How do i delete this.

2)  Der Ruf is German for "The Call" and when i try to list this as a title it repoints me to a german musical.    What do i do about this.

I have had bad experiences with Wikipedia in the past and some of my mistakes are feelings that come up in trying to use your system Sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arydberg (talk • contribs) 16:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for your previous bad experiences.
 * As for the typo in the article title, I can fix that for you. I'll move the article to Der Ruf (newspaper), and turn the redirect at Der Ruf into a disambiguation page, so people searching for that can choose from the newspaper or the play. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 16:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

A Question
How to give notifications to other users ?Mentalist karan (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * activate WP:Twinkle on your profile. You have to go in "preferences" then to "gadgets", then search for "twinkle" there and activate it. Then visit any user's profile, you will see "TW" option beside "more" option. Click on it and notify user. Happy EDITING. -- Human 3015  Call me maybe!! • 18:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If you want to do it from a post your are making on a talk or discussion page, there are various ways of doing it. I use the template U, so appears as, and should have notified you of this reply. --ColinFine (talk) 18:36, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks colinfine.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mentalist karan (talk • contribs) 03:01, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Want to Make a Tagalog translation of an existing English article but end up editing the article itself
Hi! I am really in need of finding how to translate the article "State Universities and Colleges (Philippines)" (URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Universities_and_Colleges_%28Philippines%29).

I want to translate it in Tagalog so I searched for "How to Translate an English article to another language" and have seen the instructions from Wikipedia:Translate us (URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translate_us) and it said there click the button marked "create" or "edit" in the new language and I was not sure if it really was a helpful one because, yes, I found the word "Edit" on the upper right of the article but it just led me to a place where there is no note or anything about "Translating" the article.

But with all the hours I have spent trying to find out how to work out the instructions I had, I finally put on my translation in that certain page where the "Create" button brought me. I added the edit summary which is included in the instructions but I was not able to do the other steps, though I tried, it was really chaotic. There was no interlanguage link or Add links to be found in the page. I previewed the texts more than once and eventually I "saved" it. A few minutes after my work was published (or should I say Translation), I received a message saying that the recent edits I have made to State Universities and Colleges (Philippines) has been undone by an automated computer program called ClueBot NG. Well, it supposed to be a translation buts since there is no button or link in the article's page that specifically talks about translating it, there seem to be where the problem started. So what do I need to do sir/ ma'am? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nice4revermover (talk • contribs) 19:25, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The mistake you're making is adding the Tagalog translation to the English Wikipedia article. You have to create the translation over at the Tagalog Wikipedia.--ukexpat (talk) 19:59, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * ClueBot NG is a heuristic bot whose purpose is to detect and revert vandalism. Your edit looked like random nonsense to the bot, because it was Tagalog.  As Ukexpat said, you need to create the translation in the Tagalog Wikipedia.  This is the English Wikipedia and all articles should be in English.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:09, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Nice4revermover: the translation is not lost, and is still there in the edit history of that page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_Universities_and_Colleges_(Philippines)&oldid=668502491 So you could copy content from there (click "Edit" to get to the source) to a page on the Tagalog Wikipedia.  You will, however, have to meet whatever the applicable standards are at the Tagalog Wikipedia.  Rwessel (talk) 20:25, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

SUGGESTION for a page: A feminist from age 9 - she is now 16  (6-24-15) -  From Forest  Hills, NY  NICOLE ZIVKOVIC

 * http://gonymovement.org/
 * http://gonymovement.org/category/about-the-founders/
 * http://www.gradedtalon.com/2690/entertainment/empowering-girls-of-new-york/
 * http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3187826/
 * http://jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=11047:cunys-jay-hershenson-a-merle-hoffman-receive-bali-award-at-nyc-gala&Itemid=295
 * https://twitter.com/abzugleaders/status/583775431112970241
 * http://www.smh.com.au/world/kidman-finds-weighty-role-in-standing-up-for-women-20081126-6iqh.html
 * http://www.aashnet.org/s/1487/images/editor_documents/boston_2015/essay_contest/third_place_essay_contest_2015__tie_2of2_.pdf
 * http://www.yourepeat.com/watch/?v=xlJliIL7Stc
 * http://video.maza9.in/download/Tyd12SXpHK8/Nicole-ZivkovicAGE-16-BALI-Emerging-Leadership-Award-2015-Princeton-Club--51215.html
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArT1ElxPjPI
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOwXRi9Rn74
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IilzQ0RiaRE

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.74.56.34 (talk) 20:30, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * What are you wanting to do? Those websites wouldn't normally qualify as reliable sources... Dustin  ( talk ) 20:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

dang thuy tram
was reviewing wikipedia page on dang thuy tram and noticed the statement, "She was killed, in disputed circumstances..." - I was on that patrol and part of the fire fight as a SP/4 combat infantryman in the 1st platoon, delta company, 4/21 infantry, 11th LIB, americal division. she was moving up a ridge line in the jungle where my squad had a position established at the summit of the hill. it was a free fire zone and dang and her and her companions were ambushed by an m-60 machine gun position and the other member of her party that was killed was ambushed by the rest of the platoon about 50 yards below the summit.

the next morning the 1st platoon hit a booby trap which wounded 4 men and for the next 4 days we had running gun battles with the 403nd Sapper Battalion, which controlled the Ba To jungle, west of Duc Pho for 6 days before my platoon escaped from the jungle.

i have been in contact with the whitehurst brothers and have communicated the circumstances surrounding her death indirect to her surviving mother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.177.234 (talk) 20:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello. The place to make suggestions about improving a particular article is on that article's talk page, Talk:Dang Thuy Tram. However, it is important to realise that unpublished personal recollections are not acceptable for Wikipedia. This might seem surprising, but the problem is that, since Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anybody can edit, anything in it may get changed at any time, in good faith, or by mistake, or maliciously. The only way that a concerned reader can check that the information is still correct is if there is a citation to a source which can (at least in principle) be checked - on-line, or perhaps through a library. An unpublished recollection cannot be checked. That is why we insist on reliably published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 23:13, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

New page with the same name (different person) as existing page
I don't know how to mark a page for disambiguation or if that happens automatically.

I just completed a page for Andy Johnson, a painter from Brooklyn in the 60's, and that is a a very common name. How can I be sure it's going to pass review and be published without an auto-bot saying the article already exists?

Thanks, Tess — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snookoriva (talk • contribs) 21:31, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * There is already a dab for Andrew Johnson (disambiguation) (and Andy Johnson redirects to that dab). I suggest renaming your draft to Andy Johnson (painter) or Andy Johnson (Swedish painter) (I'd prefer the first, I don't think there should be too much confusion with Andy Dog Johnson the illustrator).  Once the article is accepted and moved to the main space, the dab page will need to be updated to include Andy Johnson (painter).  Rwessel (talk) 21:45, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Inflation and currency conversion
At Eagle Island lighthouses I've found for the first time in my editing career a need to convert a monetary value for inflation and to a different currency. I'm familiar(ish) with but is there a better way to do the currency conversion than what I've cobbled together (copied below)?
 * Which gives: £40,000 (roughly £ or €0 in )
 * Which gives: £40,000 (roughly £ or €0 in )

It's the sort of thing that I think should be able to be done much simpler, but can it? Thryduulf (talk) 21:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Reinhardt University
I work for Reinhardt University in the marketing office. The page for Reinhardt University/Reinhardt College has been tagged by another user as containing advertising-type copy. I agree, but since I work for the institution, I'm not supposed to edit the copy. In addition, our president has requested numerous edits. Most are factual, like the number of degree programs has changed. What's the best way to address the advertising copy since I shouldn't be the one editing such information. What about factual edits: faculty/student ratio, new buildings, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Da86wg (talk • contribs) 22:19, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Thank you for noting your conflict of interest and asking how to proceed. See WP:PSCOI. In short, you may make any suggestion for improving the article on its talk page, accompanied by citations to reliable published sources. (Apart from uncontroversial factual information, these should be sources unconnected with the university). If there is not much traffic on that Talk page, tag the suggested changes with edit request to put them on a list that some editors watch. --ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)