Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 June 29

= June 29 =

Why wikipedia doesn't allow multi link edits to articles ?
I tried to add the pictures in articles. Wikipedia said you're not able to use upload wizard. That's why i edited the articles and submitted the links of picture with the link of their address. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 918hv918 (talk • contribs) 02:04, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * There is no facility in the software used for Wikipedia which permits directly adding images from an external URL. Images have to be uploaded to either Wikipedia itself, or to Commons. See Uploading images for futher details. And note that you must not upload images unless you comply with the licensing terms - almost all images found on the internet are copyright, and cannot be used without express written permission of the copyright holder. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:14, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note that is not autoconfirmed, and so cannot use the upload feature, yet. One must have at least 10 edits and have had an accout for more than 4 days. DES (talk) 03:51, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It was my understanding that uploading to Commons does not require auto-confirmation. Can someone who is more familiar with Commons answer whether auto-confirmation is required to upload to Commons?  Robert McClenon (talk) 06:36, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You are right, autoconfirmation is not required at Commons. commons:Special:ListGroupRights lists  under "Users" at the bottom. Special:ListGroupRights does not. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:21, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
— Preceding unsigned comment added by JBarnes77 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 28 June 2015‎


 * This seems to relate to Draft:Brett A. Jones. Is that correct, ? I have fixed the citation error, but the draft needs lots of improvement in formatting. But more important than that, it is currently cited only to a press release, and so has no evidence of notability at all. I suspect sources are out there, but they need to be added to the draft. Please read this summary of our basic article requirements, DES (talk) 04:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

FAQ/Copyright
In FAQ/Copyright, in the table titled "License Compatibility with Wikipedia", the entry for CC BY-SA 4.0 has the following note:

"According to the WMF legal team, CC BY-SA 4.0 is not backwards compatible with CC BY-SA 3.0. Therefore, mixing text licences under 3.0 and 4.0 would be problematic, however files uploaded under this licence are fine."

I would like to add a citation to the place where the WMF legal team said that, but I cannot find it. Does anyone have any idea where they posted that opinion? --Guy Macon (talk) 05:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Go to Legal and ask them. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:55, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The page history shows it was added in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright&diff=629693868&oldid=625888068]. Other contributions of the user at the same time shows User talk:Moonriddengirl/Archive 56. Note that Moonriddengirl and Maggie Dennis (WMF) is the same person. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

posting a photo
I have updated the Wikipedia entry for Eugene M. Locke and am trying to upload a photo to go with the article. The photo is from 1967, when he was deputy ambassador to South Vietnam. I am fairly certain it is a photo taken by State Department personnel to be used for distribution to the press. There is no identification on the photo except that on the back it says in pencil: U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam Eugene Locke. Wikipedia says that federal government photos are public domain and so I believe this should easily qualify to go on the site. Let me know, and thanks for the help. Tom Locke I am trying to post a picture on an entry that I recently updated. It is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_M._Locke. The picture I have was with our family archives (my father, Eugene M. Locke, died in 1972) and I believe it was taken by the State Department as a photo for the press. The writing on the back of the photo states "U.S. Deputy Ambassador to Vietnam Eugene Locke" and there is no other identifying material. There should be a "South" in front of Vietnam and an M. as a middle initial, but otherwise that should work. I'm having trouble uploading it because of Wikipedia copyright concerns, but from reading Wikipedia rules, federal government photos (which I am sure this is) are in the public domain. Let me know what you think and how I might be able to upload this. Thanks. 06:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)06:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)071185ben (talk)
 * You cannot presume it is copyright free. You must assume it is under some copyright unless specific evidence demonstrating that it is not.
 * However, since Locke is dead, we can use it on wikipedia under the WP:FAIR criteria until evidence of its copyright is established and then move it to Commons if appropriate.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. How do I go about posting it using the WP:Fair criteria? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 071185ben (talk • contribs) 16:15, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The Uploading images should help you. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  20:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Boldface numbers for edits in View history and Contributions
Edits appearing on a page's View history and a user's Contributions have a number in parentheses, colored green for addition and red for subtraction - evidently the numerical balance of characters changed in the edit. What is the significance of these parenthetical numbers being in boldface type or not? And where could I have read about this without asking here? -- Thanks, Deborahjay (talk) 10:55, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Bold = over 500 bytes. See WP:AORC or the "How to read a watchlist" section of WP:WATCHLIST. Also have a look at Help:User contributions - X201 (talk) 10:58, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If you haven't changed the interface language from the default  at Special:Preferences then many interface pages have a help link near the top. Page histories have Help:Page history, user contributions have Help:User contributions, watchlists have watchlist. They all mention the red and green numbers and link to Added or removed characters for more information. Only the watchlist help currently explains the bolding on the page itself. You can also try to search help on something by entering it after   in the search box. For example,  has Added or removed characters as the first result. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:03, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Expert needed on the Cosmic distance ladder, specifically the Classical Cepheids section
I have a question / potential-problem with the articles Cosmic distance ladder and Cepheid variable. Although this section gives the equations for the relationship of period vs. luminosity (I think), it does not explain to a layman how those equations work to fill in a part of the Cosmic distance ladder. Once we have that explanation, I think a summary should be included in the lead of the Cepheid variable article.

I normally would post my concerns to the Cosmic distance ladder talk page. However, the last posting to that page seems to have been in 2010. I really need an expert on astronomy or cepheid variables before 2020. I tried the Wikiproject Astronomy page but that page didn't explain how you would ask new questions. Should I just insert my question/problem -- that I need an astronomy expert -- in Wikiproject Astronomy's talk page? Or is there someplace else I should go for experts? --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 14:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can post a question on the talk page of a Wikiproject to request assistance from an expert. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:24, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

rectifying site on Mark Angelo so as to remove issues statement
Dear Wiki editors, I'm Mark Angelo and I'm writing as the subject of this site. I first came across this page several years ago, and while I don’t know who wrote the initial post, I was pleased that it was a largely accurate account of my river conservation work. Today, I opened up the page again and saw for the first time that you were asking for additional verification through an “issues statement” at the top of the posting. Consequently, in an effort to address your request, I have attached close to 20 references verifying all the various points that contributors have mentioned. In addition, there are many, many more references (ie. academic papers, newspapers articles, and TV stories) that could be accessed. My hope is that this might enable you to remove the issues statement you’ve attached (and, as you can appreciate, the strongly worded third bullet would be irksome to any living person who was the subject of such a site). I appreciate that, by adding such issue statements, you aim to complete or improve a site. But to keep such statements for a period when they’re unwarranted can also reflect on well intentioned contributors and well as the subjects they write about. I hope this helpful. Thanks for your efforts. Mark Angelo Mark Angelo receives Lifetime Achievement Award from British Columbia Institute of Technology, BCIT Broadcast, November, 2011 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gDkgPsAa8E- not a reliable source

Global TV interviews Rivers Day Founder, Mark Angelo, “global phenomenon sparked by BC man”, September 24, 2010; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvLRU-VoJBY- not a reliable source

A BC man’s lifelong mission to preserve the Earth’s rivers. Vancouver Sun, September 22, 2006 http://worldriversday.com/documents/vansun.pdf- added

Burnaby Man Named Top Explorer, Burnaby News Leader, June 10, 2015-06-21 http://www.burnabynewsleader.com/community/burnaby-man-named-top-explorer-1.1964990- added

Mark Angelo Inducted into Fraser Hall of Fame, Fraser River Discovery Center, November, 2014 http://rivershed.com/blog/mark-angelo-to-be-inducted-in-the-fraser-river-hall-of-fame/- added

Rivers Day; a time to reflect on the values of our waterways; special to the Vancouver Sun by Rivers Day founder and Chair, Mark Angelo, September 27, 2012 http://www.vancouversun.com/Opinion+World+Rivers+good+time+reflect+values+waterways/7310938/story.html- primary source

“The amazing restoration of Guichon Creek”, BC film feature with urban stream restoration project leader, Mark Angelo, November, 2010 http://www.vancouversun.com/Opinion+World+Rivers+good+time+reflect+values+waterways/7310938/story.html- primary source

Change Agent; Mark Angelo; we talk with the founder of World Rivers Day and Riverblue star; Viva Magazine, New Zealand, April 22, 2015 http://www.viva.co.nz/article/fashion/mark-angelo/- interview, so primary source, not reliable source

Burnaby Creek named after Mark Angelo, BCIT Update, October 25, 2012 by Andrea Bellemy http://commons.bcit.ca/update/2012/10/burnaby-creek-named-for-bcit-rivers-institute-chair-mark-angelo/- added

Around the world by river; images by Mark Angelo, National Geographic on line, October 28, 2010 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/09/photogalleries/riverworld/photo4.html- added

Mark Angelo paddles the Zambezi; the making of RiverBlue, September 1, 2013 http://riverbluethemovie.com/mark-angelo-paddles-on-the-zambezi/- added

The Upstream Battle to Save our Rivers; the impact of climate change on our waterways by Mark Angelo, Vancouver Sun, Feb. 7, 2015 http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Opinion+upstream+battle+save+rivers/10793825/story.html- primary source

Salmon Miracle on Britannia Creek - Global telecast with renowned river conservationist Mark Angelo, and others on the miracle return of pink salmon to Britannia Creek; September 15, 2011 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDeeqM7-5cI- Youtube is not a reliable source

Celebrating our rivers; Streamtalk, Fisheries and Oceans Canada; by Mark Angelo; Autumn, 2013, Vol. 20, number 2 http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/sci-icp/streamtalk/13-02/13-02-eng.html

Restoring urban streams and our quality of life; National Geographic Voices, by Mark Angelo, August 14, 2010 http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2010/08/14/restoring_our_urban_streams_by/- primary source

Humble bid to save B.C. Rivers spawns global effort; BC Rivers Day, born 30 years ago, now celebrated worldwide; Vancouver Sun, Sept.24, 2010, by Kim Pemberton Pembertonhttp://worldriversday.com/documents/vansun2010.pdf- added

Six of Canada’s finest receive honorary degrees, Simon Fraser news on-line. May 28, 2009; http://www.sfu.ca/archive-sfunews/news/story_05280909.shtml- added

Water for Life Global TV fundraising special with Mark Angelo; Nature Trust of BC news; April 7, 2011 http://www.naturetrust.bc.ca/blog/?p=231- advert for an event, not a reliable source

Guichon creek (talk) 16:00, 29 June 2015 (UTC)Mark Angelo


 * There was already a thread about this at WP:COIN, so I added a link with the sources there. I also replied at User talk:Guichon creek regarding COI. But the sources look good at a glance. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:15, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * For reference: DES (talk) 16:29, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Ibrahim Diallo
He currently plays for Mangotsfield United and not Clevedon Town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.37.111 (talk) 21:47, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Which article are you referring to? He isn't mentioned in Clevedon Town F.C., but is listed in Mangotsfield United F.C.. --ColinFine (talk) 23:24, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess it's about Ibrahima Diallo (Paralympic footballer) which says "currently playing for Clevedon Town AFC". says he changed to Mangotsfield United in March 2014. That's why terms like currently should usually be avoided. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I have updated the article per the above, but the paragraph about the 2012 Paralympics is still outdated. I don't have time right now to look for relevant sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:11, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Bad line break after double quotes
Please see the article on Celia Sasic. As I see it on an iPad Air 2, there's a line break after the quotes in <> -- but when I edited to fix it, there's nothing to fix -- no space after the quotes. Any ideas? -- Thanks -- Jo3sampl (talk) 22:03, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I see no space there. It was the same on 21 June, so it's not as if you were served a recent version in which it was wrong.  Is it possible to attempt a cache-purge, or do iPads even have caching?  Nyttend (talk) 22:12, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll go read up on that. Thanks. In the meantime -- as I saw it just now, the line break immediately after quote happened .h.e.r.e., too. Interesting. --  Jo3sampl (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You can clear saved web data and history, but it made no diff. in this case. Maybe it's an iPad Air 2 fluke. No worries. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:146:200:D2C:8CE1:B67F:C20E:B0B8 (talk) 00:19, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


 * On the iPad you can go to Settings > Safari > Clear History and Website Data. Dismas |(talk) 01:39, 30 June 2015 (UTC)