Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 June 9

= June 9 =

Talk Page Archiving
Please help, my talk page still won't archive. How can I get this to work? Pablothepenguin (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * See Help:Archiving a talk page RegistryKey(RegEdit) 09:16, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * (The previous thread is now in the Help desk archives) I have had a close look at your talk page and still cannot see why the bot won't archive it. I can only guess that the size of the page, over half a megabyte, is upsetting the bot in some way. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:50, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * (More) I've archived it by hand. Maybe the bot will spring into life now? -- John of Reading (talk) 09:59, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Quite a few people (including myself) have been having problems with the bots not archiving, see User talk:Σ. No advice has yet been given. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:22, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * It may be related to WP:Village pump (technical) - apparently about a server code change that could "break" certain bots. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:03, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Should an article be listed in both parent and sub-categories ?
Is there some good reason why a film article should state both parent and sub-categories to which that film belongs? The particular manifestation is Schindler's List, which is listed in 'American biographical films', 'American epic films' and 'American war films', so there is no possibility of the reader not realising that this is part ofCategory:American films. Text at the head of that category page says'' 'For convenience, all American films are included in this category. This includes all American films that can also be found in the subcategories.' ''Surely that isn't the same thing as the parent category must be SHOWN on ALL American film articles?

A discussion has taken place on my talk page here:. Clarification would be helpful, I've tried checking FAQ/Categorization and elsewhere but nothing seems to answer the question. It is in order to prevent 'categorization bloat', and because the parent category in this instance is so huge as to be unhelpful to the reader, that I ask the question. Many thanks.Pincrete (talk) 09:08, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Not sure what the film project decided, but it sounds like the correct use of WP:DUPCAT to me. - X201 (talk) 09:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * It may be technically correct, but is it useful? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:06, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Category:American films with 29,819 pages may not seem very useful for browsing but there are other ways to use categories like Category intersection. Other countries have far fewer film articles, for example Category:Romanian films with 174 fitting on one category page. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:27, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Dodger67 asks the central question, is it useful? A category with 30,000 entries and 30,000 articles listing that category in addition to the 'subs', seems silly. I can see the sense of much smaller categories (eg Romanian films), where it is both practical to list together, and also possible to imagine a reader wanting to know about that subject.Pincrete (talk) 17:45, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * What information can Category:American films impart to a reader that its subcategories can't? If the answer is "nothing meaningful" then the category should be fully diffused to its subcategories. Most meaningful "intersections" are actually embodied in the subcategories. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:11, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Asking WP:FILM what their reasoning behind it is may be the best starting point.- X201 (talk)

I created an article -" Poonguzhali"
Hello, Greetings! I created an article -" Poonguzhali". Its a character from a Tamil novel. I searched for an image in google an uploaded in my page. The usage rights of that image is 'Not filtered by license'. Actually the image is an artist's representation of that character in a newspaper. What should i do to make the image in my page constant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kayathiri E (talk • contribs) 10:14, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure about the image but after having read the Poonguzhali article, I think that you should point out in the lead paragraph that it is a character in a novel and not a real person. There is nowhere in the article that it says anything about it being a character.  Dismas |(talk) 10:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * If no authentic image of Poonguzhali is available, I don't think Wikipedia is improved by including a fictitious one. Incidentally, while the article has no references, it is in danger of being deleted. Maproom (talk) 10:42, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * How can an article contain a real image of a fictitious character? AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The article now states that its subject is fictitious. When I looked at it, it didn't; it said that its subject was the wife of Uththama Chola. Maproom (talk) 12:52, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * 1. Fictious subject: I've added the info, based on the User:Kayathiri E message above. Did I that wrong? 2. It still says Poonguzhali was the wife of Uththama Chola. Is it wrong? I thought it's possible the novel describes a fictious character related to a real, historical person. If it was a mistake, feel free to revert. Be bold. --CiaPan (talk) 13:15, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The image is a copyvio and I have tagged it for deletion.--ukexpat (talk) 12:39, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Reporting Lies
How do I address articles that are inaccurate and false? Is there a way to report false and malicious statements? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.233.165 (talk) 12:06, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * On the articles' talk/discussion pages.--ukexpat (talk) 12:33, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Please make sure to provide reliable sources for the new information and state your concerns as calmly as possible (see also WP:AGF) on the article's talkpage, as mentioned. GermanJoe (talk) 12:40, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If an article contains statements that you believe are not only malicious but also defamatory, see the libel policy for reporting the article to WMF. However, since this is the only edit made from your IP address, there is no way that we can guess what you are saying is the problem.  Discuss on an article talk page (if you really think that there is a problem).  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:54, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia page for company
Hello

I am looking to open a wikipedia page for my 10 years company with 400 employees how can i do that?

Thanks a lot A — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.200.207.218 (talk) 14:15, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * First of all, please read WP:COI which strongly discourages you from creating an article about your company. If you still want to create one, you need to find evidence of significant, independent coverage from reliable sources, about the company, to show they are notable enough per WP:GNG and WP:CORP. If you think they're notable enough, then Article Wizard is the way for IP users to create draft articles, which will then be reviewed by other users to see if it meets Wikipedia standards. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:19, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * And note well that it is NOT a "Wikipedia page for your company" it is a "Wikipedia encyclopedia article about a company" and that it will be edited by ANYONE who appropriately follows Wikipedia policies  and will represent the good AND bad things that have been noted about the company --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  20:00, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

commonswiki-20150417-all-titles contains names of deleted files
So I'm searching for all svg-files on wikipedia. While doing this I found out that commonswiki-20150417-all-titles seems to contain deleted files.

For example http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:34sassinu.svg (I don't know what sort of image that is. Obviously.)

So my questions are:

1. Is there another list-file like commonswiki-20150417-all-titles that contains all deleted files, so I could do a cross check?

2. Is there an all-titles list-file that doesn't contain the deleted files?

3. Bonus question: Some of those files in commonswiki-20150417-all-titles have been renamed. In line with the two first questions: How to find out the current name?

I only want to download the svg-files, and not to download like 250% overload. Out of the 20 files I tried around half were renamed.

And some were deleted. Only around 5 were actually to find under the name given in the all-titles file.

By now I would have been faster if I just grabbed a whole wikipedia-dump. :/ But then that I really don't want to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.102.69.95 (talk) 21:05, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Can you use Media: for what you want by previewing or saving pages full of Media: links? [[Media:34sassinu.svg]] is red since commons:File:34sassinu.svg has been deleted. [[Media:Fabomotizole.svg]] links to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Fabomotizole.svg since commons:File:Fabomotizole.svg been renamed to commons:File:Fabomotizole.svg. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:43, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean with: "Can you use Media: for what you want by previewing or saving pages full of Media: links?" - I could construct the File:-pages and parse them for the link to the original file, or if the file was deleted or renamed. Do you mean that? That's what I don't really want to do, as I estiamte that would be like 250 to 300% of additional traffic.
 * I just wonder: There is surely a way to find out which files were renamed or deleted, or isn't there? Because if there isn't, then I really will go to parse the html-output of the File:-pages where neccessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.102.69.95 (talk) 23:12, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure whether we mean the same. I meant to save a page with thousands of Media: links like:

...
 * [[Media:34sassinu.svg]]
 * [[Media:Fabomotizole.svg]]
 * Then analyze the generated html code of the page to determine the file url's. Or use a web archiver on the saved page to download all files linked from the page. I have used HTTrack like that at other websites but not with this number of files. Maybe there is a better method but I have never examined what is in database dumps. People at Village pump (technical) or mw:Project:Support desk may know more. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:28, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Basically that's what I would do if the dump-files can't be used to generate the correct "upload."... links.
 * Though I wouldn't need to make a file with thousands links. I can use those links generated/guessed by me directly and then parse the result and the return code.
 * Best I'll ask at the two links you gave me. TYVM again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.102.69.95 (talk) 02:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)