Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 March 15

= March 15 =

Salva de la Cruz Pastor
I don´t know how to make the page Salva de la Cruz Pastor for not being deleted. Please help me. thankk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elenadh8120 (talk • contribs) 08:00, 16 March 2015‎ (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NFOOTY to see what we expect for an article about an association football player. If he does not meet either of the conditions there (or WP:GNG),he is not notable enough for an article. —teb728 t c 08:24, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * But he is a proffessional. He has played with a first team and now he is playing with the official oxford city football team club. Please make all the changes needed and put again online. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elenadh8120 (talk • contribs) 09:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If you can prove this with reliable sources, go to WP:REFUND.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Information page
Is there a way to search the article information pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.84.28.198 (talk) 02:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you mean by searching the article information pages? There is a Search panel to the left of your page.  See Help: Searching for more information on searching.  If you have a more specific question, please state it and we may be able to help you further.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:47, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * if you are in the default IP user interface skin, the search is in the upper right. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  03:12, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * that will help you find a page in Wikipedia. Once you are on a page, most browsers will allow you to search web pages by using  + < f > to find text on a particular page. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  03:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

On most Wikipedia pages underneath the Tools heading on the far left section of the screen, one of the things that one can click on is Page Information. I have found that the Wikipedia search function, even on the everything setting, does not search the pages that the Page Information link sends one to. I would like to know if there is a way to search those pages in their entirety, including the words in the templates. Thanks.108.84.28.198 (talk) 15:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * "Page information" pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Example&action=info are generated by the software when a user clicks a link to them. They are not searchable. You can only seach editable wiki pages for the content editors have saved there. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Is there any searchable part of Wikipedia where article creation times and dates are stored?2602:306:C541:CC60:34CD:D65A:8D91:2242 (talk) 21:42, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Try asking at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:14, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

First Article
I have written one article (my first) which is waiting in the sandbox space for review. Now I want to start a new article but can't find out how to create a new draft page without deleting the one waiting for review. Do I have to wait for the first article to be moved to Wikipedia? I guess I could just draft the new one in Word and wait? Thanks, Redilion (talk) 05:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Someone moved your draft from your sandbox to the draft namespace and left a redirect at your sandbox because the draft namespace is the preferred location for articles for creation. You can create a draft for an article by typing draft:[article name] in the search box, with [article name] replaced with the name of the article you want to draft, then pressing enter. You can add a link to any drafts you are working on to your user page to make them easier to get to. Phantom Tech  (talk) 05:26, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Subodh Markandeya
Reference help requested.

hello what is the issue?

Thanks, Amit.pratap1988 (talk) 07:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The error message showing in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subodh_Markandeya&oldid=651438951 the article when you posted here] has a blue link to a help page, Help:CS1_errors, which explains the problem and how to fix it. I have fixed it for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The error message showing in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subodh_Markandeya&oldid=651438951 the article when you posted here] has a blue link to a help page, Help:CS1_errors, which explains the problem and how to fix it. I have fixed it for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

New Article, Sandbox
Hi, I want to create some new articles, but a sandbox already exists of those articles. For example, for one article that I had planned to do---Casey Cavert, I came across a sandbox of that article. Do I need to ask permission from the sandbox user if I can create the article (my own version, not straight from their sandbox) or can I simply upload my article without asking? Also, once I've created my article, can I ask the sandbox user for help or if they are willing to upload some of their information into my article (if I feel the article needs help in certain areas)? Kinfoll1993 (talk) 09:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I've answered this at the Teahouse. Please don't post questions on multiple pages, . --ColinFine (talk) 13:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I won't now that I know. The only reason I asked here as well as the Teabox is because the top of the page says that we can ask questions here and that new users "may also ask your questions at the Teabox"; by also, I thought it meant that in addition to this page, I could also upload my questions there as well. I wasn't sure which page would have been more appropriate. Kinfoll1993 (talk) 17:34, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that feeback, . I've raised a suggestion on the talk page about changing that wording. --ColinFine (talk) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I boldly went ahead and tweaked the wording.--ukexpat (talk) 12:44, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Adding special images and motifs to a talk or user page.
How do i do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannah dufc (talk • contribs) 12:50, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Like to any other page. Ruslik_ Zero 19:39, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * fancy schmancy stuff are you talking about? see User page design center? (also note that copyright materials may NOT be used on user pages -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:44, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Watchlist - No Email Notifications
Hi, I watch about 15 pages on Wikipedia and up until last September, was receiving email notifications. Since then, there have been no emails. I've checked all the settings, deleted the Watchlist in the raw editor and repopulated the list. The email address is correct but nothing seems to work. Any suggestions? I saw an earlier question above with the same issue - my answers to the questions posed are:

1) are there still articles on your watchlist? Yes they are   2) do you still have the right notification switches turned on? Yes they are switched on   3) do you have the correct e-mail account hooked up to your account? Yup.    4) have you checked your spam folder? Yup - nothing there. The wikimedia email is in my safe sender list. 5) Is there a checkmark at "Email me when a page or file on my watchlist is changed" at Special:Preferences? Yes   6) Are there pages on your watchlist which should have produced a mail considering the rules at Help:Preferences#Watchlist? Yes - several of the pages have been edited numerous times since last September. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocdoc99 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 15 March 2015‎ (UTC)


 * I sent a test mail to you a minute ago. Have you received it? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes I did, thank you. But still no notifications for the pages on my watchlist. Rocdoc99 (talk) 07:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Copy of my post from the earlier section: The system works for me. Did you check the rules at Help:Preferences about when you don't get emails? Can you temporarily switch to an email address at another mail service to see whether notification mails get through there? Administrator intervention against vandalism and Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents get a lot of edits if you want it tested quickly. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:10, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I do get notifications for this Help Desk but nothing from the pages that I am watching. The system worked well until September. I will check the rules you suggested. I can also try a different email - see if that helps. Thanks for your assistance. Rocdoc99 (talk) 07:58, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Linking to or Translating Italian wiki page to English
I was going to start a wiki page for the Italian WW2 sub Ascianghi as it is already referenced in numerous pages in wiki as Italian_submarine_Ascianghi, but then I noticed the page does exist in the Italian version of wiki:- https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascianghi_%28sommergibile%29?setlang=en-gb

How do you go about linking to a different language version of wiki or translating it on the fly? Having two separate pages is obviously not desirable.

Thanks Sliven2000 (talk) 16:08, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, each language is a separate entity with their own practices and policies so having "two" articles one in English and one in Italian is not only desirable but standard practice. But you are correct that there is no need to start from scratch if there is already something with "good bones" that just needs minor tweaking.
 * Translation information can be found here Translation.
 * A lso note that the final page would be Ascianghi and not Italian submarine Ascianghi. It would probably make sense to utilize your sandbox for drafting and translating before sending live.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  16:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you sure about that title? That's not the way I read Naming conventions (ships). --David Biddulph (talk) 16:37, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The "Italian_submarine_Ascianghi" format was lifted straight from the table on the following page:- Adua-class_submarine. If this format is incorrect there are a lot of mistakes there but the "Italian battleship Giulio Cesare" example on the Naming articles about military ships page does seem to confirm it is correct? Sliven2000 (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * oops ship names. my bad.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:03, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * or ships names oops, even! :-) Sliven2000 (talk) 12:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The template ill is provided for Wikilinking to a foreign language article until there is an English one. So displays as Italian submarine Ascianghi where the 'it' links to the Italian article; but if there is ever an English one, it will link to that and not show the 'it' link. --ColinFine (talk) 21:44, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Colin. :-) Amongst other things, the Asanghi was involved in the torpedoing of HMS Newfoundland as was a German sub. If historians or other peeps want to contribute to documenting this history it means they have to make entries in 3 different languages, i.e. on the English, Italian and German versions of wiki. This is a bit daft especially as few people can speak all 3 languages. Otherwise you are going to end up with 3 wiki pages containing potentially completely different versions of events (English, Italian & German historians have access to different source information not easily accessible to people of other nationalities). I am tempted to not bother creating an English Asanghi page and just link to the Italian one like you suggested. Sliven2000 (talk) 12:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the normal case when a subject is in more than one Wikipedia, User:Sliven2000. --ColinFine (talk) 18:38, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Removing article: Christopher Peterson (serial killer)
To whom it may concern,

I am writing in regards to the article titled Christopher Peterson (serial killer) - - Christopher Peterson (serial killer)

I am a friend of Obadyah Ben Yisrayl (gov. name Christopher Peterson) and he is not guilty of the crimes he was charged for. I find it offensive that he is known to the wikipedia community as a serial killer, and I would like this article removed immediately.

If you would like more information about the mistrial which was Obadyah's case, I would be happy to provide that. In the meantime I would appreciate if this page be removed.

Thank you so much for your time. Fury Young — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.30.157 (talk) 17:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I have read the article Christopher Peterson (serial killer). He is reported by reliable sources to have been convicted of the crimes for which he is serving time.  The article does state that he has recanted his confession and that he denies having committed the crimes.  The fact that he has denied the crimes is a fact, but so is the fact that he is still convicted of the crimes.  He is known to the Wikipedia community as a serial killer because he is known to the mainstream media as a serial killer who contests his conviction.  We are not about to delete the article.  If the article contains errors, then they should be corrected in accordance with the policy on biographies of living persons, but it appears that what the article says is correct and is consistent with what you say.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:47, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There were some factual issues with the lead paragraph implying that he was convicted of all of the killings when he was only convicted of 3 4. I have tried to make that clear. It does not seem that case has attracted much attention outside of the news at the time, which is kind of surprising given all of the quirks of the case. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  18:51, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
I am getting this message when I try to save changes in the page "Ahmed Yacoubi".

Thank you so much in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by King Solomon's Ring (talk • contribs) 18:12, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The message says "Cite error: A (see the help page).", and in there the words "help page" are in blue indicating that they are a wikilink to specific help. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * You have added a large amount of non-neutral discussion to the article in Wikipedia's voice without adequate sourcing that is likely to be deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Cross language link from english to french for article "Eurosignal"
I am trying to add to the following page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurosignal

a cross language link to :

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurosignal

But I am getting the following error :

The specified article could not be found on the corresponding site. Details The external client site 'frwiki' did not provide page information for page 'https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurosignal'

I noted that the french, Italian and german article are cross referenced with each other, but the english version isn't referenced (yet it exists) and doesn't itself reference the French, Italian or German version.

Any possibility to fix this ?

Thanks,

Ivan Scott Warren (talk) 22:26, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I have added it. The error message indicates you tried to add the whole url https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurosignal. Only add the French page name Eurosignal. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:47, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks ! (Just my misunderstanding of how to use the feature) Ivan Scott Warren (talk) 22:58, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Citing Public Document from Wikimedia?
I have uploaded a Fed-govt public-domain NTSB report to Wikimedia. The report is entirely original&mdash;I haven't touched it at all. Is it within WP regs to link to it (on Wikimedia or Wikisource) in a Cite book template, for example? -- Veggies ( talk ) 22:41, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * there being no chain of custody, the uploaded file is essentially meaningless. If the report is appropriately published, it does not need to be on line to be cited. but we would only link to a verified version of the file. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:28, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I have the original email (with the attachment) from the NTSB. Can I prove a chain of custody with that? -- Veggies ( talk ) 23:34, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * not in a way that matters to Wikipedia. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  00:47, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Is the report available on the NTSB website?--ukexpat (talk) 12:39, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No. That's the problem. They haven't uploaded it yet. An OCR version is available on a non-government website, but OCR versions sometimes produce weird formatting and typos. That's why I asked for a hard-copy original scan from the NTSB. -- Veggies ( talk ) 13:14, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Then the only option is to wait until it is publicly available on their website. --ukexpat (talk) 14:30, 16 March 2015 (UTC)