Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 March 2

= March 2 =

Adding Executive Producer Credit to Film Wikis
cheryl shark — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.158.88 (talk) 01:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I have edited the proper coding to add an Executive Producer title (of Aaron Meyerson) to two film pages (Dumb and Dumber and Inspector Gadget (film)), but they are not showing up after saving. Is there something wrong with my coding or are there certain protections that are preventing these updates from going live? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EagleEye73 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Template:Infobox film doesn't have an "executive producer" field.
 * In other words, film articles use this template to put certain things in the infobox. But the fields have to be in the template first before you can put values into them.
 * If you'd like the field added, it's best to take it up on the talk page of the template at Template talk:Infobox film. If you edit the template itself, it will have an effect on all of the articles that use that template.  That is likely a couple hundred thousand articles at least.  Dismas |(talk) 01:56, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Less than 100,000: 96935 (as of this moment) :)Naraht (talk) 02:03, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Huh! Between Hollywood and Bollywood, I thought we'd have surpassed the 100k mark long ago. Dismas |(talk) 02:20, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Click "What links here" and "Transclusion count" to quickly get the count. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Entries in an infobox, such as Template:Infobox Film come from a specific list of what can go on the left hand side of the equal signs. The infobox doesn't understand "Executive Producer" any more than it does "blah-blah". If you look at the Template:Infobox Film, it shows what the values are that go on the left. Also, the infobox information indicates that only Producer Credits should be included, not Executive Producer.Naraht (talk) 02:01, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Inline external link
This edit was immediately reverted by a pc reviewer. I concur with the revert, but I can't put my finger on the guideline that discourages that usage. I try to link to the guideline in the editsum when I can, so I'd like to know where it is in advance. Does anyone know? &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  09:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Mandruss, see WP:ELPOINTS (point 2). Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 09:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  09:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Links with other Wikipedia articles
In the Draft "Nikolaos G Papadopoulos" there are words in the text that can lead to other Wikipedia articles. I have placed these links using the "REDIRECT" module. As a final result i do not see these words in blue colour just like the ones that typically have an integrated link when you click on them. Have i done it the correct way? Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAACI (talk • contribs) 09:44, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi EAACI, I fixed two links so they become blue. Click this button to see how it is done. I suggest you go to a Wikipedia article, click on the "Edit button" a the top, and just have a look around how they do it. All the best, Taketa (talk) 09:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ... and also worth looking at Manual of Style/Linking. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * While you are at it, you ought to cure the bare urls in your references. See WP:Referencing for beginners, and Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:05, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Concerning: Wikipedia Law Encyclopdia Articles
Concerning: Creation of Articles that use Raw Legal Citation and Codification.

Hello. I am working on a legal article topic (False Production) that is being prepared for the United States Federal Register and Library of Congress and needed to know if there was an etiquette reference and any project pages for the different types of raw citation, including the main topics being referenced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Habatchii (talk • contribs) 10:12, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Would you explain more clearly what you are trying to do? I am not even clear whether you are writing an article in Wikipedia or somewhere else (your clause "that is being prepared for the United States Federal Register and Library of Congress" doesn't make any sense in the context of Wikipedia, because Wikipedia articles are for Wikipedia only, and should make no concession to what some other person or organisation wants). If you are talking about a Wikipedia article, the general guidance for citing sources is referencing for beginners, and there is a family of templates for citing statutes - see Category:Law citation templates. If you're talking about an article outside Wikipedia, then I think you'll have to make you question clearer. --ColinFine (talk) 19:44, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. My question did refer to the Federal Register correctly because the topic is a policy and rule making issue in progress, yet has already been used in legal circulation. The question was concerning possible security issues of exposing raw codification of legal content on Wikipedia. Is there an official citation methodology that Wikipedia either produced or supports that would help in securing legal and legislative cites embedded in official articles?

Habatchii (talk) 08:52, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * it is still completely unclear to me what your question is. There are the various citation templates linked for you previously. For content that has its own article, general wikikinks may be used (Boy Scouts of America v. Dale or Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) Our production of Wikipedia articles has nothing to do with producing or false production of evidence. And if any lawyers are actually using Wikipedia as their legal reference, they deserve to be disbarred. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  13:10, 4 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Suppose the talk is about Draft:False Production and WikiProject Articles for creation/Help_desk. --CiaPan (talk) 13:26, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ahh, that helps. Creating Wikipedia articles is different than most other writing. For a Wikipedia article, we merely bring together content that other people have already written and published about the topic. At Wikipedia,  we do not bring concepts together in a novel way, instead we bring together what others have already published . And each topic for an article must be established externally by others writing about it . And the thing itself is generally not an appropriate source. We also do not speculate about what might happen in the future. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  13:45, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Taking a disclaimer off a page at ADAMA Agricultural Solutions
Dear friends at Wikipedia,

I amended and updated ADAMA Agricultural Solutions' article on Wikipedia (Link: ADAMA Agricultural Solutions). This company used to be called "Makhteshim Agan Industries" and about a year ago re-branded itself to become it's recent brand- ADAMA. There is only one issue pending- there is disclaimer at the top of the page which reads: "This article appears to be written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by rewriting promotional content from a neutral point of view and removing any inappropriate external links". The disclaimer was posted on December 2011 and has now become obsolete due to the recent changes to the article. I would like to find out who of the community can proofread the page to be able to take the disclaimer off.

For reference please see Adama's competitor's pages e.g., Dow Chemical Company, Bayer CropScience, BASF and DuPont, all of which have similar types of articles and do not have the disclaimer mentioned in Adama's.

Your advice will be highly appreciated.

With kind regards, Moran Amitai Moranamitai (talk) 10:46, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Those articles which you list about other companies use the words "product" and "chemical" for what the companies make. The ADAMA article uses the word "solution", twice, in its opening paragraph. The use of that word tends to indicate material written by a PR person who doesn't know what the company actually does. Apart from that, the article seems to me acceptable, and not unduly promotional. Maproom (talk) 11:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Any Wikipedia editor, including you, may remove such a message when it no longer applies, by removing the corresponding template from the top of the article (in this case, advert). I removed it before Maproom's comment, with which I don't disagree. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  11:44, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with both of the above editors. See WP:BUZZWORD for more on these actionable points of contention.  Dismas |(talk) 12:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Inserting an image
Hi,

I am brand new to creating a wiki page. I have written a company page (User:Feargroupcomms/Fear Group) but cant add the logo as I think I am too new a user. Please can someone assist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feargroupcomms (talk • contribs) 12:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * User blocked. --  Gadget850talk 14:48, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Official Status of www.wikipedia. (XX in de, fr, nl etc.)
I've noticed that www.wikipedia.de, www.wikipedia.fr and www.wikipedia.nl exist, but are sort of gateways. For example www.wikipedia.de includes a search on de.wikipedia.org and apparently the picture of the day and the www.wikipedia.fr gives even more choices, but are they actually run by wikipedia itself? I noticed for example, the "W" used as the image up on my tab bar is slightly larger for www.wikipedia.de than it is for the wikipedia.org pages. Also, if it is official, is there any way of getting a list?Naraht (talk) 13:05, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There are multiple versions of Wikipedia in many different languages - each is effectively its own project, although all fall under the auspices of the Wikimedia Foundation. Here's a full list of the different language versions available. Yunshui 雲 水 13:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Yunshui, the question is about www.wikipedia.de and its ilk, not de.wikipedia.org. Rojomoke (talk) 13:35, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, good spot - shame on me for not recognising the different URLs. On the surface, these look like local Wikimedia chapter projects. However, I've never seen them before, and wouldn't like to comment on their veracity or official status. Might be worth pinging someone from the Foundation to see if they know anything. Yunshui 雲 水 13:43, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Checking WHOIS, none are registered to the WMF. --  Gadget850talk 14:48, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not an organization by itself and does not run any websites. Wikipedia is one of several websites run by the Wikimedia Foundation. Several wikipedia.xx domains are run by Wikimedia chapters legally independent of the Wikimedia Foundationion. See List of Wikimedia chapters. The listed domain is with wikimedia and not wikipedia in the name but in many cases they also own a corresponding wikipedia domain. I don't know a list of which wikipedia.xx country domains exist or who owns them. I don't know whether the Wikimedia Foundation itself owns any of them. At a Whois service like http://whois.domaintools.com/ you can often see who has registered a domain. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

On www.wikipedia.de's imprint (https://www.wikipedia.de/imprint) there's a link to this Meta page. The beginning of the text on that Meta page reads: On this page, feedback for the domain wikipedia.de is gathered: error report, suggestions, offers for collaboration (whatever that means), criticism, compliments, ... In the imprint they say that wikipedia.de belongs to Wikimedia Deutschland/Germany Also, wikipedia.fr, wikipedia.ch and wikipedia.at say they belong to Wikimedia France, CH and Österreich, respectivly-- Metrophil44 (talk) 15:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll take a look at the others. Most of them seem pretty useful, with links to the multiple language wikipedias if the country has multiple languages or just pure redirect (www.wikipedia.jp redirects to jp.wikipedia.org). OTOH. w ww.wik ipedia.co (and yes, I'm deliberately breaking it up) redirects to one of the most annoying web pages I've *ever* seen. timed popup blockers designed to keep you from getting out of the page, claiming that you have viruses, and an annoying chirping sound. I wonder if WMF can do anything about that one. (co = Colombia).Naraht (talk) 17:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

an internal wikipedia link
Hello:

I found a medical article on Wikipedia last week that I am trying to return to. It is important for medical research I am doing. I clicked on a link in this article regarding "word loss" and that took me to the "anomic aphasia" page. The original page that had that link I believe was on the topic of thyroid or adrenal glands or some type of medical condition related to these organs. I've tried in vain for a week to find this page but I can't. I hope you have some resource their to find internal links to the "anomic aphasia" page on the topic of word loss that will locate the referring page. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Chris Kaufmann — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnkaufmann (talk • contribs) 16:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The page Word loss exists as a redirect to Anomic aphasia, but "What links here" shows no links to that redirect Word loss. A search for "word loss" within Wikipedia shows no relevant results. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:53, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

If you go to the Anomic aphasia page, in the left hand column, under Tools is "What links here" - if you click on that, it lists all the pages that link to Anomic aphasia. So, if you got to that page by clicking a link, you will have been on one of the pages in that list. - Arjayay (talk) 17:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * As Cnkaufmann only has one edit, I will explain the "what links here" feature.


 * Do any of the pages linked from Lists of language disorders ring a bell? --Guy Macon (talk) 17:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Getting help for other languages and projects
I have been going through the list of Wikimedia projects at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix looking for misconfigurations and software bugs. So far I have found several problems, including;


 * mr.wikipedia.org: rejected all submissions written in non-Marathi languages, including anything posted to their Wikipedia Embassy page -- the page dedicated to asking questions in other languages. A very helpful mr.wikipedia.org admin fixed it.


 * ak.wikipedia.org - the edit filters thought that secure.wikimedia.org is a harmful site. No admins on ak.wikipedia.org, so I asked a steward, who fixed it.

My latest two are:


 * yi.wikipedia.org (Yiddish) has a problem with LTR text. It puts the icon on the wrong end of https links but gets http links right. (See https://yi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%91%D7%90%D6%B7%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A6%D7%A2%D7%A8:Guy_Macon for an example.) he.wikipedia.org (Hebrew) has no such problem.


 * When I tried to post the following to my talk page on fr.wikiversity.org...


 * I prefer that messages be posted to [ https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User_talk:Guy_Macon ] instead of here, but if you post here I will get a weekly email notice and will eventually get back here to respond. This may take a week or two, so please be patient.


 * ...I got an error that says...


 * This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Publicité fréquente (Google translates to "Advertising frequent")


 * ...so possibly this is another wiki that thinks that secure.wikimedia.org is a harmful site.


 * My question is, where is the best place to find someone who speaks English and can address these problems? --Guy Macon (talk) 16:48, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * secure.wikimedia.org is Secure server which has just redirected since 2012. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User_talk:Guy_Macon redirects to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Guy_Macon. That page can be reached from other wikis with a wikilink without needing a url: w:en:User talk:Guy Macon (some users may reach http instead of https on that link). I don't speak French and have never visited French Wikiversity before but I can navigate public filter logs. [//fr.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Journal_du_filtre_antiabus&wpSearchUser=Guy+Macon] shows your attempted edits triggered the filter with description "Publicité fréquente", as you also say yourself. wikiversity:fr:Special:Abusefilter shows that is wikiversity:fr:Spécial:Filtre antiabus/14. That filter disallows saving a url if you have less than 10 edits and haven't been granted one of certain user rights. It sounds a bit harsh but wikis decide their own rules and the French notes indicates they made the filter for a reason. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:40, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * That's actually a quite reasonable restriction, not at all as bad as deciding that secure.wikimedia.org is a harmful site. I already knew about non-url wikilinks. My goal here is to test things like URLs and edit windows and report any bugs, not to find a workaround. I am marking this one "doesn't need to be fixed" and moving on. Thanks!


 * Does anyone know have a suggestion as to where to address the issue of yi.wikipedia.org not handling left-to-right https URLs properly? --Guy Macon (talk) 02:14, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


 * What precisely do you see at yi and he? You speak of "wrong" and not "properly" but never specify left or right. At yi I see https with the icon on top of the right end of a bare url or link text. That's annoying. I see http and pdf with the icon to the left of a bare url or link text. If a bare url uses left-to-right English characters then an icon to the left may seem like wrong placement, but for right-to-left link text it is right to place the icon to the left. If a bare left-to-right url is part of right-to-left text then I'm not sure an icon to the left should be called wrong, and it would be difficult and confusing to move the icon between the right and left depending on the surronding text. At he I see no icons at all on http and https. On pdf I see the icon to the left for both bare urls' and link text, just like pdf and http on yi. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:06, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

This is interesting.


 * Using Firefox, on yi http has the icon on the right, not overlapping the rightmost letter.
 * Using Firefox, on yi https has the icon on the left, overlapping the leftmost letter.


 * Using Firefox, on he http has the icon on the right, not overlapping the rightmost letter.
 * Using Firefox, on he https has the icon on the right, not overlapping the rightmost letter.


 * Using Opera, on yi, http has the icon on the left, not overlapping the leftmost letter.
 * Using Opera, on yi, https has the icon on the right, overlapping the rightmost letter.


 * Using Opera, on he, http has no icon.
 * Using Opera, on he, https has no icon.


 * Using Chrome, on yi, http has the icon on the left, not overlapping the leftmost letter.
 * Using Chrome, on yi, https has the icon on the right, overlapping the rightmost letter.


 * Using Chrome, on he, http has no icon.
 * Using Chrome, on he, https has no icon.


 * Using IE, on yi, http has the icon on the left, not overlapping the leftmost letter.
 * Using IE, on yi, https has the icon on the right, overlapping the rightmost letter.


 * Using IE, on he, http has no icon.
 * Using IE, on he, https has no icon.

Also, IE throws a javascript error on yi but not he

Versions tested:
 * Firefox 36.0
 * Opera 22.0.1471.50
 * Chrome 40.0.2214.115 m
 * IE 8.0.6001.18702

Icon on the left is fine, icon on the right is fine, no icon is fine.

Icon overlapping the leftmost or rightmost letter is a bug.

Icon not being consistant between http and https is a bug.

Basicly, he.wikipedia.org needs no fixes, and yi.wikipedia.org needs to start doing with https whatever it is already doing with http. Either that or start doing whatever he.wikipedia.org is doing. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:54, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Renaming Sound File
I'm not sure how to go about doing this, but I found a sound file on the site needs to be renamed. I don't see how a user can manually do that, so I'm wondering how to go about requesting that move. --Shadow (talk) 22:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Only admins and file movers can move files. If you'd like to rename a file on Wikipedia, you can request a rename using Template:Rename media - though you should typically only request renames that fall under one of the reasons given at WP:FMV/W.
 * If the file you'd like to rename is at the Commons, they have a similar process outlined at Commons:File_renaming. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 22:50, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, this is exactly what I needed. --Shadow (talk) 23:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)