Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 May 18

= May 18 =

TWA wrestling article
Not sure where to ask this, but, I was fixing the remaining redirects for Extreme Championship Wrestling, and noticed one of them was for the Tri-State Wrestling Alliance. This was the promotion run by Joel Goodhart and Tod Gordon prior to the creation of ECW. They were not the same promotion and I'm wondering if it would be possible to create a page for the TWA (here's their website) without it redirecting back to ECW's page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JIK1975 (talk • contribs) 02:13, 18 May 2013
 * It would surely be possible, provided that enough information from independent reliable sources could be found to write a decent article and establish the notability of TSW. Are you offering to create such a page? Or are you asking that someone else do so? If you are offering, you will need to find several reliable sources that discuss TWA in some detail, and build an article based on what those sources say, but in original language, not just copying the sources. I would suggest that you use the Articles for Creation process, but you need not do so. A new article could be simply put in place of the existing redirect. But I would suggest that you start with a version in your userspace or in the Draft: namespace. That allows time to get it polished and to seek assistance before the text must meet all the rules of a mainspace article. Once it is ready, any admin can move it over the redirect. I hope this is helpful, JIK1975. DES (talk) 16:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Annoying floating box
I am seeing an annoying non-scrolling floating box on the left of this page (and no other pages). It contains:


 * Top of Page
 * Table of contents
 * Today's posts
 * Bottom of page

This happens in Firefox, Opera, and Chrome.

I really don't like it when the navigation for a page is changed without my permission. What's going on? --Guy Macon (talk) 03:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It appears to be the that causes the floating box.  The floating box seems new to me too, but that template(?) was added some time ago.  I can't quite figure out what that's supposed to reference, it doesn't appear to be a template or magic word.  Rwessel (talk) 04:45, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The syntax, when used on this page, refers to Help desk/Header. The floating box is defined at the foot of that page. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:14, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * For me, the annoying floating box appeared quite a while ago (I use Chrome). It lies on top of the "Languages" list, and is transparent, so making both the Languages list and itself unusable. Does it work better with other browsers? Maproom (talk) 06:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * See this. For me, the (second) solution given by PrimeHunter got rid of a box very much like what you describe. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  06:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It's gone now. Maproom (talk) 08:21, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't want it to go away on my screen using custom CSS. I want it to go away on everyone's screen as a customization made to the Wikipedia user interface without user permission. Does anyone have an argument as to why I should not remove it from the page? --Guy Macon (talk) 00:18, 20 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I just WP:BOLDly removed it. Let's see if anyone objects. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:15, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Please check the Disney Theatrical Productions template
Hi, I noticed that "Pinocchio" is listed as a show that has been done by Disney Theatrical Productions in the Disney Theatrical Productions template, but it is not linking to any Pinocchio-related articles. Can someone please look into this? Thank you.Kitty9992 (talk) 03:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Kitty9992, there is no Category:Disney Theatrical Productions, and the Disney Theatrical Productions page doesn't mention Pinoccio at all, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Can you explain a little more?  Thanks.  Rojomoke (talk) 04:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I stated that Pinocchio was listed in Template:Disney Theatrical Productions but not linking to any specific articles. I made no mention of any categories because I am not talking about a category.Kitty9992 (talk) 04:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It doesn't look like we have an article for the 2006 musical production put on by Disney (If they indeed have one. I haven't checked to see if one was actually produced.). You could probably find enough sources to start an article for it, if you wanted.  Then you could create a link in the template to the article.  You could also make a link in the template now which would be a red link.  I'm curious why you don't seem concerned about the lack of links for Frozen, The Jungle Book, and Camp Rock though.  Granted, the first two have not yet debuted but Camp Rock seems to have based on the date in the template.  Dismas |(talk) 05:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

✅ I added a link (Disney's My Son Pinocchio: Geppetto's Musical Tale) to the navbox. As a side note, although this is a Disney Theatrical Production its not a production by the Disney Theatrical Productions company, which is probably the reason that it is underlinked. - X201 (talk) 06:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Providing a .kml or .kmz file from within an article.
Many files can be copied from a W. article, such as those containing an image. However, given a "Keyhole Markup Language" file, as displayed by Google Earth and other systems, the best that can be done is to give a link to a web page that offers it for download - or has done so at some time. Such a link is tenuous. If the W. article could offer the ability to download the file, its presence would be guaranteed and also its version would match any discussion in the article - unless removed from the article via the usual editing. But W. does not itself display the content of such files, and, not recognising the format, does not enable their upload for delivery on request. One could take a screen shot of the results of the .kml file (along with the other material displayed by Google Earth) but such an image is fixed.

The specific example in mind is a schedule of every electric power generation station in New Zealand, classified by type (including whether the station has been deconstructed) and each with textual information. Via interaction with Google Earth one can move about to various parts of the country and by poking a station's icon with the rodent see the associated text, then move on. There are far too many such stations to have all their information on display together, as in a static image, unless there was a separate static image for each station. Which would thereby lose the spatial relationship offered by mapped information.

There appears to be an arrangement whereby an article can name a location and provide a pokeable icon whereby that location's information is provided to an application such as Google Earth that opens a window on the user's screen and displays the nominated location. But I'm talking about a count of around two hundred. Transcribing such a list would be error-prone, and there would still be no spatial display of all locations that could be navigated.

So, is there any reliable W. style way to make .kmz files available? NickyMcLean (talk) 09:01, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * My head is absolutely spinning from this question. What exactly are you asking? Are you looking for Wikipedia to host .kmz files in some way? A project like that would have no place on an encyclopedia. If such a thing were to exist, the Wikimedia Commons would be a better resource. Could you maybe rephrase your question? Scarce2 (talk) 09:10, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't understand this area, either, but with a bit of searching I've found a template Attached KML and its link to a List of Attached KML subpages, and a tutorial describing how these are set up. Do these links help you at all? -- John of Reading (talk) 10:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I supplied too much context! Via John of Reading, I see that there is provision for supplying a .kml file (not .kmz) from W. itself. The descriptions of using the "template" are however opaque to me because it is unclear in that text whether a named item is an example of that name or a usage of that name in discussion. It seems I should add an entry such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Attached_KML/A23_autoroute which I might call https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Attached_KML/NewZealand_Powerstations except that I can see no option that invites me to do so. However, on accessing a web page of that name, (there not being one) I am invited to create it, so I have copied the .kml text, of about a megabyte. The .kmz file is ~250KB but "disc space is not at a premium", so now I shall try to insert an invocation of the new template entry. As one not at all familiar with these usages, I hope I am not making a mess:


 * Now to try and fill it out. The descriptions in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Attached_KML are not at all clear to me... Like, what do I actually type into the invocation? Here, that is. So, I look at the article A23 autoroute, and see there no mention of the name of the attached kml file, just "Attached KML" within the double parentheses, so, how is the correct one to be identified? Ah, after some puzzling, I see that the name ("title") of the article containing the reference to the kml text is "A23_autoroute" and that this text is the appendage of the name after the slash in the entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Attached_KML/A23_autoroute

Can anyone claim that this is an obvious protocol that need not be described carefully? I had intended to produce an example within this page for your inspection, but its title is not specific "Wikipedia:Help_desk" so I don't think I should try. Nor have I yet saved the new entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Attached_KML/NewZealand_Powerstations as in this understanding I should instead use the name of the article I hope to augment with this information, and it is not that. I shall abandon the creation of that entry.

So, if you approve of this as a correct understanding, I shall attempt to augment the target article. I do not wish to make a mess, but the various mentions of a "sandbox" or "testcases" subpages do not suggest a clear path towards trials. NickyMcLean (talk) 11:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Determining which signed-up members of a WikiProject are active
Is there a tool that can process a project member list and distinguish between active and inactive members? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * There may also be active non-members. When I started to edit Wikipedia, I signed up for what looked like promising projects, found that they didn't involve anything I would be doing, and generally forgot to unsign. Now, I have several projects on my watch list that I contribute to, but am not signed up for. Maproom (talk) 15:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That's not so much of a problem, unsigned watchers are of no concern. I'm really looking for signed members who are no longer active editors, removing them from the list would help us not waste effort in pinging or contacting usernames who will never get the message. But all this is a diversion, does such a tool or process exist or must I manually check the contributions pages of everyone on the members list? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:44, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Can someone answer the question as asked without diversion into irrelevancies please? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Viewing each member's recent contributions via WP:POPUPS would at least save the bother of displaying each member's contribution page. I don't know of anything better. I wonder if could help? Something like the linkclassifier could colour-code each user's name by time of last edit - days/weeks/months/years perhaps. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:41, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * As I understand it; there used to be tools that could do things close to what you want, many, many years ago when this was all fields. But they were shut down in order to protect users, it was possible to profile user's activities, when they edited etc and could lead to a user's location and identity becoming known. The most efficient method I've seen is to clear the member list and ask a nice bot owner to do a mailing run to each user informing them that they need to sign up again. - X201 (talk) 12:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Pass word reset not working
I'm trying to get into my account. the email used is recognized and the pass word reset says a temporary pass word has been sent but it never arrives.

The email account works fine on test sends and it receives from others as well.

Any suggestions? Set up new account ? I don't have much connected to this password.

Thanks and regards, PSW — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.177.201.210 (talk) 12:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Answered at Village pump (technical)/Archive 137. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

How to upload our school history
We want to add this history about our school, Moropa High School...

The school was built by the community of Madisha-Ditoro in Zebediela, Limpopo Province, RSA (south of the Capital Polokwane). The school was originally started in 1984. It was initially operating from Mmammati Primary School with two teachers, namely Mr. Molepo and Mrs. Mphulo (nee). This is after the community realised that it was growing and needed a higher school nearby for their children.

During 1985, the school got two more teachers, namely Mr. Sediba and Mr. Kekana. During 1986, the community built one maiden block of three classrooms and the pupils and their four teachers were relocated from Mmammati Primary School to the new building at the western outskirts of the village, next to the Gompies River (its current location). Another block was added in 1987 to cater for the then Form 1 up to Form 3, modern day Grade 8 to 10.

The name of the school was given in honour of a great community leader named Moropa Madisha, who helped many community members to settle peacefully in the village under the old apartheid regime of Bantustans (black African homelands). Ditoro is the grandfather of Fika Madisha, who is well-known in the village, hence the village being named Madisha-Ditoro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.228.239.117 (talk) 12:47, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you have reliable sources for the information that you provided? If so, you can first create a registered account, and then use the WP:Article Wizard to facilitate creation of the article in draft space and then submit it for review.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:07, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, it will be helpful to other editors to use wikilinks in two pairs of brackets for names of places that have articles, such as Zebediela, Limpopo, and South Africa. (Not all Anglophones know that RSA stands for Republic of South Africa.)  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:13, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect
Please, please, please. "Towards" is not correct.... the correct word is "toward." Incorrect word usage makes the information contained within an article appear incorrect. Surprised an editor missed this! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion
 * Both "toward" and "towards" are considered correct. This site says that Americans and Canadians prefer toward and British prefer towards.  For more information about how Wikipedia handles regional language variations, please see WP:ENGVAR.  Deli nk (talk) 13:32, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Ross Anderson (skier)
Good morning, I am requesting some help and guidance to improve a page of mine. Ross Anderson (skier) I have someone trying to delete my page as it has been up for many years. I was updating the info that is fact and then user name (Skyerise)I would like to not have my content edited nor by him trying to delete my page as it is a true reference page for Native Americans generation of true inspiration. I am upset about this!! I would like help to improve my page but feel very strong that is does not need to be deleted because I don't know how to do it. I tried to change my residents place to where I live now and the actual record which this link is a true source http://www.speedski-info.com/index_E.php and many others that I truly did. Please help and please get this message off my page to be deleted. That is very cruel to someone that does not even know me... Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Florida01 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Please understand that all information must be verifiable in reliable sources so your drivers permit is not acceptable, as it is not verifiable, and your website is not deemed to be reliable, as it is not independent. Presumably you know of other sources - magazines, newspapers etc that have covered your skiing, you should use these as citations - Arjayay (talk) 14:56, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * From this edit you seem to be stating that you are Ross Anderson (skier). If so, you have a clear conflict of interest so should not be editing the article at all.


 * Hello, . The criterion for accepting an article on you (or anybody or anything else) is not whether you exist, or whether you are famous, or important, or significant, or popular, or whether you do or don't want there to be an article. It is whether several people who have no connection with you have written at length about you and had their writing published by reliable sources such as major newspapers. If such writing exists, then there can be an article, as long as it cites these references. If such writing does not exist, then there cannot be an article. As says, you should not be editing an article about yourself; but if you can cite several such pieces of writing about you (which must not be in unreliable sources such as blogs or Wikipedia, and must not be published by anybody connected with you such as an organisation that you belong to) then it is likely that the deletion request will be resolved as keep. --ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The original poster says that someone User:Skyerise is trying to delete the article. I see no evidence that anyone is trying to delete the article.  There has been edit-warring over the article.  Skyerise has applied tags to the article saying that it needs improvements and that it has been subject to conflict of interest editing.  There has been no discussion on the article talk page.  Discussion should be on the article talk page, Talk: Ross Anderson (skier).  If the original poster is Ross Anderson, then, as Arjayay says, he should not be editing the article, but may request edits on the talk page.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:45, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * , Editor Skyerise placed a "prod" tag on the article, proposing that it be deleted, because it was an article about a living person that cited no sources at all. After a source was added, Skyerise removed the prod tag. No one is currently suggesting that the article be deleted. DES (talk) 18:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Two areas live for one company
How do I delete an entire wiki page when the company I represent has two areas on the go (both extremely outdated). One with just our name and one with our name including Ltd? This is just confusing to all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.142.17 (talk) 14:58, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Which company (or which articles) are you talking about? RJFJR (talk) 15:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * What does "two areas" mean? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If you were editing from a registered account, I would advise you that you can implement Twinkle to facilitate the nomination of an article for deletion via Articles for Deletion if the information in the article or articles is outdated. Since you are editing from an IP address, my advice is to create a registered account.  One of the privileges of creating a registered account is the ability to create a new page, in this case the AFD discussion page.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It sounds like two articles on the same subject. We could merge them and redirect one to the other, but we'd need to know which articles first. RJFJR (talk) 17:05, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

finding an author
I am trying to locate contact information for the author of this article...

http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php?URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_trademark_dispute

How do I find that information?

Thank you,

Cassie Hazen


 * There is no one author of that article. A dozen editors have worked on it. If you have any questions you should post them on the articles talk page. Now, there is no guarantee that it is on their watchlists but that is the best place to start. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 15:32, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The article is Washington Redskins trademark dispute. If you click the "View History" tab at the top, you can see who has edited it. For instance, the most recent substantial contribution is shen by the line


 * (cur | prev) 06:35, 25 March 2015‎ FriendlyFred (talk | contribs)‎ . . (14,728 bytes) (+475)‎ . . (→‎Congressional efforts: News) (undo | thank)


 * where the word "talk" is a link to FriendlyFred's talk page. If you want to discuss the article with FriendlyFred, you could leave a message at the bottom of his talk page. Maproom (talk) 15:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

The Wikipedia page for the UK politician Boris Johnson MP
re: The inaccurate Wikipedia entry page .......

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I was researching an occurrence where Mr Johnson was, apparently, served legal papers relating to a petition to the Privy Council questioning the legality of him holding the post of 'MP' and Mayor of London, simultaneously, .... as he was announced as the new MP for Uxbridge and Ruislip in the recent UK General election.

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/boris-johnson-faces-separate-challenges-9268702

Upon checking his Wikipedia entry, I discovered that there was NO reference to this fact in his entry!

When I tried to 'correct' the entry, I found that the entry was 'semi-protected from alteration', thereby negating its status as a full and accurate entry which acts AGAINST Wikipedia's interests as an online Encyclopedia!

The reference given was ................... '13:39, 24 March 2015 Ged UK (talk | contribs) changed protection level of Boris Johnson [edit=autoconfirmed] (indefinite)[move=sysop] (indefinite) (Persistent vandalism) (hist)'

This appeared to have been put in place just prior to the final week, or so, prior to the election and could be construed as an attempt to 'oil' Mr Johnson's political career to the detriment of truth and that similar 'protections' had been put in place prior to a number of other times when Mr Johnson was up for election for one post or another!!

I believe that, this worked against Wikipedia's claims of freedom of speech, and that such protection is no longer required for the spurious reasons given, since the Election results are now completed!

Please let me know when this entry has been unlocked so that I can edit a number of corrections.

Yours faithfully,

john L Bell

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnlbellblog (talk • contribs) 16:02, 18 May 2015 ‎


 * Hello, . Most Wikipedia articles may be edited by anybody, but articles which have had a high level of vandalism are often temporarily semi-protected, which means that only established ('autoconfirmed' is the jargon) editors may edit them. The normal requirement to be autoconfirmed is that the account has existed for four days, and made ten edits; so if over the next four days you make ten more edits anywhere in Wikipedia, you will thereafter be able to edit that page.
 * Alternatively, you may request an edit on the talk page Talk:Boris Johnson, saying exactly what changes you are recommending to the text, and giving a reference (as you have above: well done). If you also add the text edit request before or after your suggestion, this will bring it to the notice of editors who patrol semiprotected pages, and somebody will review your suggestion and the source, and apply it if they feel it is justified. --ColinFine (talk) 17:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

In particular, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ" and please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyone can suggest an edit for any page, using the Semi-protected edit request - which appears when you try to edit a semi-protected page. Just follow the four instructions.

Sub Saharan Africa
Hey, Wikipedia I was wondering what I could do to help Sub Saharan Africa. Thank you for your honest response.
 * If you want to edit collaboratively to improve the quality of articles on Sub-Saharan Africa, then the first step is probably to go to WP:Wikiproject Africa, and its talk page, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa, and see what articles have been identified as needing improvement, and edit them, adding verifiable information from reliable sources. If you have more questions, we can try to answer them.  It would help other editors to collaborate and communicate with you if you would establish a registered account, which has several advantages, such as a stable talk page, a watch list, and the ability to create new articles, although I would advise creating new articles in draft space until you have more experience.  Also, please remember to sign your posts by appending four tildes ( ~ ).  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Reference Link
Did Wikipedia accept the following link as reference? for Ohio Eastern University? New article! http://esango.un.org/civilsociety/simpleSearch.do?method=search&searchTypeRedef=simpleSearch&sessionCheck=false&searchType=simpleSearch&organizationNamee=ohio+eastern+university
 * To support what information? All that gives me is one line that says "Ohio Eastern University", as a link. The only information I can see that that could support is "The UN has a database which includes an entry called Ohio Eastern University", which doesn't seem that useful for a Wikipedia article.
 * If you are trying to show that Ohio Eastern University exists, that probably does it (though there might be bogus entries in the UN database). But that is a remarkably low threshold to show. What are you trying to do with it? --ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Editing/adding info to Further Reading
Hello:

I work with WIzzywigs and not coding. I cannot get the info I need formatted correctly under the "Further Reading" category.

Specifically, I am trying to clean up the item there now so it reads like this: •	Goldstone, Jack A, ed. Improving Democracy Assistance: Building Knowledge through Evaluations and Research. pp. xvi-336. Individuals can download the complete report (pdf format) for private use.

[the title should be hyperlinked to: http://www.nap.edu/catalog/12164/improving-democracy-assistance-building-knowledge-through-evaluations-and-research ]

The page is Solidarity Center

Thank you. Tula Connell (talk) 19:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * --ukexpat (talk) 19:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I would argue, though, that the "Individuals can download the complete report (pdf format) for private use" part is irrelevant to the use of this document as a reference source, and indeed smells of the promotional. I would suggest it should be omitted. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Quick copyright question
Are there any Wikilawyers who can interpret this statement I found here? I'd like to know so I won't get tied up in issues if I uploaded this image to Commons.

"You are at least 18 years of age. You represent and promise that you are the person who originally took the photograph (picture), that you have all necessary rights to submit this photograph and to grant others a license to use the photograph, and that you have not previously conveyed exclusive rights to use this photograph to any other person. City-data.com and its licensees may reproduce, distribute, publish, display, edit, modify, create derivative works and otherwise use the picture for any purpose in any form and on any media. You represent that you have accurately conveyed the information above. You grant City-data.com an irrevocable, royalty-free, nonexclusive license to use the picture and to grant the others the right to use the picture in City-data.com's sole discretion. You agree to indemnify and hold harmless City-data.com from any and all liability, penalties, losses, damages, costs, expenses, attorney's fees, causes of action or claims caused by or resulting directly or indirectly from your submission of this picture without limitation or exception. Submitting this picture does not prevent you from using the picture yourself and giving others the right to use it. City-data.com will make the determination of whether or not to use the picture on this site in its own discretion. You understand that your picture may be rated or commented on by visitors to this site, and that these ratings and comments may be negative. Your name, IP address, and the exact time of the submission will be recorded along with your submission for our records. City-data.com may edit your picture before publishing it (ex. resize it)."

Thanks in advance. Buffaboy talk 21:01, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think that would be usable. The agreement is granting City-data.com the right to reuse or modify the photos for any purpose.  For it to be uploadable to commons the license would have to grant anyone the right to reuse or modify the photo. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 21:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Buffaboy  talk 21:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with Howicus. However that is a non-exclusive license. The original photographer (or copyright holder if it has been transferred) could upload it to commons or grant permission for it to be uploaded at any time. DES (talk) 22:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * DES is exactly right: the important word there is "non-exclusive". -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Can you put two images in an infobox?
Can you put two images in an infobox? RO (talk) 23:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it only works if the infobox specifically supports two kinds of images. For example, has both a "logo" and a "photo" parameter. You can see both of them in use on the Toyota article. Nick&#8288;—&#8288;Contact/Contribs 23:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks! RO (talk) 00:08, 19 May 2015 (UTC)