Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 May 2

= May 2 =

Trouble adding an infobox image
I followed the directions on adding in images in infoboxes, but I'm still receiving an error. Can you please identify my problem? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deray_McKesson Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightyearling (talk • contribs) 07:56, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * @Lightyearling, you tried to use an image from an external site, that is not possible, all images used on Wikipedia must first be uploaded to either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. However it's not a simple process as we are very strict about respecting copyrights. As the article is about a living person only completely free images may be used. Any image found on an arbitrary website is extremely unlikely to be free of copyright restrictions so it cannot be used. For living people the photo must be explicitly released by the owner (usually the photographer). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * @Lightyearling, if you are part of the activists' group and can take an in person picture then you can upload those as fair use images. Also, if you are part of their organization you can also get them to file a ticket through WP:ORTS if they have images that they own the copyrights to. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  10:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

@Roger (Dodger67)Thank you. I appreciate you sharing that information. @Tokyogirl79 Thanks for all your help with revising their pages! I am not part of the group but it's good to know the process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightyearling (talk • contribs) 20:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Converting Google Books citations
Is there a tool that can convert hideously long Google Books bare url cites to properly formatted and complete cite book references? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The third entry at Help:Citation tools does this job. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:00, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! (and self-trout for not looking for the obvious help page before bothering anyone here.) Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:12, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Even if you don't use any tool, it might be useful to know the part to copy – up to the page number in the form pg=PA## (or in the case of none, up to the ID identifier). So here's a URL with the part you want to copy highlighted:
 * https://books.google.com/books?id=ExdQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA186&dq=%22lowland+form+of+the+chinese+nuthatch%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GtpEVYaePIKbNqiRgYAC&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22lowland%20form%20of%20the%20chinese%20nuthatch%22&f=false
 * By the way I use that tool constantly and it has some pitfalls the most glaring of which is that it will output for the page something similar to "186-" by assuming that you may want the cite to be to the page of the book and maybe some pages thereafter, so remove the hyphen or add the end page of the range you want to cite (then make any other changes you want), and then click "make citation" to modify its original output.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:15, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Fuhghettaboutit, I discoverd that "feature" a few hours ago. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Anytime!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Homo Technologicus
FYI, Gingras, Yves (2005), Éloge de l'homo techno-logicus. Saint-Laurent, Québec: Les Editions Fides, ISBN 2-7621-2630-4 is not the first who wrote on the topic. Since the early nineties John Thanopoulos, specializing in international business and business ethics, refers to homo technologicus in his lectures and in his 2003 Greek textbook on Business Ethics and Deontology, page 28, writes about the concept. The book, now in its third edition and soon to appear in English, was published in Athens, Greece by Interbooks and bears ISBN #960-390-120-2. How can I be of assistance? John Thanopoulos — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.130.77.191 (talk) 10:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * If I'm not mistaken, you're saying that there's an error in this row of the table in this article Names_for_the_human_species where the reference cited is not the earliest use of the term? You can either be bold and change this yourself, or post your concern to the articles talk page (here) and discuss it with any interested editors.  CaptRik (talk) 10:50, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no explicit indication in the table that the references given are neccessarily the earliest use/originator of the name. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:57, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Hamblen Township, Brown County, Indiana
There are many unincorporated settlements in this twp. One being Sprunica which had at one time a store, Redmen's Lodge and other near-by entities. It now has an elementary school, a church, a one room church and cemetery dating back to 1870.

There are many cemeteries in Hamblen Twp. not listed in your article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.96.108.36 (talk) 14:29, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * If you have good sources you are welcome to add the missing information. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:47, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Template for wikilinking non-English WP pages
I know there is a template that creates a wikilink to a page on another language WP, that works only as long as there is no English version of the page, then it automagically links to the new English article when it is created. I can't find it! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:42, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Template:ill (or its successor Template:Interlanguage link multi, it's apparently getting merged) - just learned about it a few months ago as well :). GermanJoe (talk) 16:22, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Guidelines for urban legends
Are there any guidelines for if an urban legend is credible enough for its own article? And would there be any guidelines against it if it lacks English sources? --Steverci (talk) 16:12, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The general criteria is WP:GNG, which means you have to show significant independent reliable sources about the subject. I don't know of a specific guideline for urban legends. Sources not in a language other than English are fine. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:20, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesnt care whether or not the "legend" is true or whether people believe it. We care that the legend has been covered in a significant manner by reliable sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  16:59, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Template: 2000 Guineas winners
Can someone please help me to get this template sorted out. I have tried updating it, reverting previous changes, renaming it, un-renaming it, but I can't get it to show properly on article page such as 2000 Guineas.  Tigerboy1966  16:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The text you need is - I've added it to the bottom of the 2000 Guineas article. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:32, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much, I was getting myself into a right old tizzy about that.  Tigerboy1966  16:59, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Wondering !!
i am a new editor and i've got my very first article Speedy deletion and so i don't wanna my second article to end up like that so i've been wondering if there is a way that some one can check it out before me posting it .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oromo and proud (talk • contribs) 17:00, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I strongly advise you to use the WP:article wizard. This will create your draft article in draft space, where you can work on it for a while, and will give you a button to click when you are ready to submit it for review. --ColinFine (talk) 20:15, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

chief muruatetu
I would like to know why article on chief muruatetu has been withdrawn from your data or who could have requested it's withdraw. Being related to him am planning to make another story about him. Though am concerned if this will also be removed197.237.145.77 (talk) 17:01, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If people do not meet the requirements for having an article there are several processes that may apply based on certain criteria


 * WP:SPEEDY
 * WP:PROD
 * WP:AFD
 * However, "the subject would rather have their personally approved version" is not an acceptable criteria for any Wikipedia editing at all. see WP:COI / WP:NOTADVERT / WP:NPOV. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:47, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . It is worth remembering that, especially for an article about a living person, every single assertion in the article should be directly derived from a reliable published source; and apart from uncontroversial factual data like dates and names, should be from a source unconnected with the subject. To write an article on the chief, you need to find a number of published sources (articles or books) about him, written by people with no connection to him, and base the article entirely on what they say. If you know something about him that hasn't been published: don't put it in. If you have an evaluation, judgment, opinion or conclusion about him: if somebody unconnected with him has published exactly that evaluation, judgment, opinion or conclusion, then it may go in the article, cited to the published source; but otherwise, don't put it in. If there aren't any such sources, then we cannot accept an article on him. --ColinFine (talk) 20:20, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Do you mean Senior Chief Joseph Muruatetu? He seems like he would be notable, but I've found it difficult to find reliable sources about him. Can someone help? JoeSperrazza (talk) 12:34, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Add a book to a source page
Last year I self published an environmental book on Amazon titled "Fisheating Creek - Preserving A Special Place In Florida's Fial Frontier". Can I add this to the source page for the Wiki section for "Fisheating Creek". Thanks.

Bruce Ford17:03, 2 May 2015 (UTC)73.171.230.168 (talk)
 * We generally only use content that has gone through an editorial oversight process rather than self published materials.. So, no you shouldnt be using Wikipedia to promote your publication.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:44, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Refs on a talk page
I am trying to refer twice to the same reference in different parts of Talk:Highland Clearances (the section on Sellar). I can't get the second reference to Richards, Eric (2013). The Highland Clearances. Edinburgh: Birlinn Limited. ISBN 978 1 78027 165 1. to come up. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. I know I've got this to work before, but I can't remember how. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 17:13, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Refnames that contain spaces must be enclosed in quotes. I also changed your to a . &#8213; Mandruss   &#9742;  17:22, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

How to erase "The Named reference was invoked but never Defined"?
I did not mean to click the Named References and now there is the error on my page that reads: "The named referenced was invoked but never defined" How do I get rid of this? Here is the URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rotland_Press&oldid=660457932. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannaguido (talk • contribs)
 * Somewhere in the article you have an incomplete reference. Looking through, I see that there's a bit of code that says "  " right at the top of the page, first thing.  You need to take that bit out.  Ian.thomson (talk) 17:29, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Valid signatures
Would shortening my signature to "BioMe" be acceptable if I use a font where the "I" doesn't look too much like an "L"? BiologicalMe (talk) 18:46, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * A display name different from your username is discouraged, since it requires a little extra work for users who want to ping you or otherwise need to know your username. Many less experienced users don't know that that might not be your username. But it's not expressly forbidden (not much is), and a number of users do it. No particular opinion as to the BloMe ambiguity. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  18:53, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Putting something that will probably be seen (even accidentally) by some as a rude remark is not a good idea. The rules for such things are at Username policy and Signatures. I don't see what you are suggesting mentioned explicitly, but it could be seen as offensive.  SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨   20:48, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The tragedy of a nice idea being trumped by reality. Thanks.BiologicalMe (talk) 21:07, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Umpire Decision Review System
Reference help requested.

I am trying to give citation from the rules of the game published by the authority. It is a PDF file. How do I cite reference?

Thanks, Cartes (talk) 20:05, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Where is it published? If it is on a website, you can use Cite web. If it is published in a (paper) journal, the PDF copy is irrelevant and you could use cite journal (though if the PDF is available on the web, you could provide its URL in the 'url' field). If it a PDF that has been sent to you, it probably hasn't been published and cannot be used as a reference. (I've suggested citation templates - these are not compulsory, but are how I prefer to format references). --ColinFine (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem at Umpire Decision Review System has already been fixed by another editor. All that was needed to add "url=" before the URL. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨   20:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)