Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 May 26

= May 26 =

Sandbox vs talk
What is the difference between talk and sandbox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokawn (talk • contribs) 07:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * , a sandbox is a page for experimenting with wiki markup, or any aspect of how to use the wiki. Its content need not be meaningful, and often aren't intended to be read by anyone else. A talk page is intended for discussion betweeen Wikipedia users. A parricular user's user talk page is intended for other users to leave messages for that user, and for that user to respond. An article talk page is used to discuss what should be in an article, and how the article can or should be imporoved. In fact a sandbox page can have its own talk page, althoguh such pages are rarely used, excpet when a sandbox is being used to hold a draft article. DES (talk) 07:39, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

According to the answer from the "what is the difference between talk and sandbox", if I create a new article, I should write on talk. And using sandbox for my draft, isn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokawn (talk • contribs) 08:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi ; I don't quite understand your last question, but I'll try and answer with an example. Suppose you want to create an article on Gzmplt (whatever that is). There are various places you could create it. You could create it directly in article space, as Gzmplt - but I wouldn't recommend that unless you are very certain of your Wikipedia skills. I would recommend you use the Article wizard, which will create it for you at Draft:Gzmplt. Or you could create it in a user sandbox, at User:Mokawn/Gzmplt or User:Mokan/Sandbox (the last of these is where the 'Sandbox' link at the top of the screen points). All of these are good; and none of them is a talk page. (And all of them are red-links, because none of them actually exists!)
 * Whichever of these you use, there will be (potentially) a corresponding talk page, which you or others can use to discuss the page you are creating.
 * Does that make things clearer? --ColinFine (talk) 12:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Your interest appears to be specific pages connected to your account. User:Mokawn is your user page and is supposed to be a page about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. See more at User pages. User talk:Mokawn is supposed to be used to talk with other editors who can post there to contact you. See more at Help:Using talk pages. User:Mokawn/sandbox is a page you use to make test edits or write an article draft for possible submission. That is apparently what you want so I have added a box at top with a link you can use to submit the page for review when you think it's ready. User:Mokawn and User talk:Mokawn should not be used for articles or drafts. I recommend you remove the draft which is already there and focus on the version at User:Mokawn/sandbox. None of the pages should have categories meant for real articles in the encyclopedia so I have removed those categories. If you submit a draft and it is accepted into the encyclopedia then categories can be added. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:05, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

WHY REQUEST WAS REJECTED
I CREATED MY PAGE RAM_LAL WHY WAS DECLINED

I DO NO'T KNOW HOW TO EDIT WIKIPEDIA I WANT TO LEARN

HELP ME TO PUBLISH MY PAGE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rama Net Expert (talk • contribs) 08:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia, but please don't SHOUT. You question has been answered at User talk:Rama Net Expert, and at User:Rama Net Expert/sandbox. In each case, wikilinks have been provided to give you more detailed guidance. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:26, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * To put it differently, your draft has only Ram Lal's name and photo. What is lacking is text explaining why he is important enough to have an encyclopedia article about him, together with verification of that text from references independent reliable sources. —teb728 t c 05:47, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Eliminating frame around Annotated image
Is there a way to eliminate the frame that appears around an Annotated image? (I want to put an Annotated image into a context -- an infobox -- that already has a frame.) I might hypothesize that it could be done with either the "image-css" or "outer-css" parameter, but I don't know enough about them or CSS itself to know how. 67.186.19.151 (talk) 11:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Possibly there is no way to do that – the template description (Template:Annotated image) does not mention any parameter to switch the frame off. --CiaPan (talk) 12:30, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * However, you can download the image, crop it yourself and upload back the cropped version (under a new name and appropriate license) to Commons, then simply use it without Annotated image, just by

{{Infobox person | name     = Luke Halpin | image    = Flipper_Halpin_Norden_1965_cropped.jpg | caption  = Luke Halpin, May 1965 | ...


 * 12:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)~
 * Thanks, but I'd like to regard the question as still open to anyone who does know whether there actually is a way (probably using "image-css" or "outer-css"). If there is not, I simply won't worry about the extraneous frame; it's not that serious, not worth the additional image upload. 67.186.19.151 (talk) 13:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * There is {{tl|CSS image crop}} but an extra upload of a relevant cropping is much better than trying to use such templates which may have varying results in different circumstances. For example, the mobile version https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Halpin looks awful on my screen where the whole uncropped image is displayed on top of the lead section and infobox text fields. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, that does make a difference. For now, as an "emergency measure", I'll revert to the previous picture until I have the opportunity to prepare the pre-cropped version. Too bad, 'cause Annotated images are nominally promoted as a way to avoid such a necessity, on the Template: Annotated image page. What's really needed is to debug image-cropping in the mobile version. (And for the record, what I saw when I viewed the mobile-version link was not even the ENTIRE image -- it basically had the horizontal cropping more or less correct, but no vertical cropping; but maybe that's the difference between viewing it on a non-mobile platform, and on a genuine mobile platform.) Alas, I find the process of submitting images rather a pain in the bleep. 67.186.19.151 (talk) 14:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Additionally, it happens sometimes, somebody decides to 'fix' the already uploaded image by cropping or zooming it and uploading under the same name. Then the 'Annotated image' template will show a wrong part of contents with no warning. --CiaPan (talk) 08:02, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text
I have noticed error messages for citations that were rendered correctly at the time they were added, but have recently started displaying with an error message (for example, Lift (force) Adverse yaw). I see above that other users have noted the same problem. There are articles that list nested references together in the same list as un-nested references. Is this still allowed? How can these errors be fixed? Burninthruthesky (talk) 11:58, 26 May 2015 (UTC) I see this was also raised at Template talk:Refn by. Meanwhile, has reverted changes at lift (force) by, which has simply shifted the error into the reflist. Whatever central change has been made, I am seeing some disruption as a result, and there is probably much more I'm not aware of. Burninthruthesky (talk) 15:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * For the benefit of anyone interested, I have learned that a bug report has been raised at T100477. Burninthruthesky (talk) 06:55, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref : I wanted to cite the US Census 2009-2013, Ancestry citation for zipcodes 19145;19146;19147;19148
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wf547 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 26 May 2015‎ (UTC)


 * I see that you made some edits to South Philadelphia. One of the edits had tags with nothing enclosed and has been reverted.  What is the question?  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:51, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Norma Howard
Reference help requested.

I don't understand how to fix the references. Can you point me to a help page?

Thanks, KarenTMo (talk) 15:40, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * , The referencing on the article at this time looks fine, except that additional inline cites would be a good idea. One note, when citing a newspaper, magazine, or website that has a name/title for the overall work with cite web or cite news, use the work= parameter rather than the publisher= parameter for that name. Use publisher= for the name of the corporation or entity that owns and publishes the periodical or site. Often if work= is provided, publisher= is not needed. This isn't a huge matter, but the value of work= is shown in italics, which is proper for the overall title of the containing work such as a newspaper or magazine. See Referencing for Beginners and Citing sources for more help. DES (talk) 16:55, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
I am trying to correct a portion of this article. I am however unable to add my sources correctlty — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorge H. Estevez (talk • contribs) 13:14, 26 May 2015‎


 * , it looks as if you were attempting to add citations to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. Citations are enclosed in a pair of   tags. Inside these tags should be the content of the citation, which should identify the source and the place in the source that supports the text. Citation tempaltes such as cite web and cite book can be used for this, but are not at all required. See Referencing for Beginners and then Citing Sources for more information. i hope this helps. DES (talk) 17:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh I should mention, ref tags should not be nested. That is, after the opening tag should come the content of the citation and then the closing tag, with no other ref tag until after the closing tag of the first citation. DES (talk) 17:37, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Problem with citation
Hi, I'm not sure which of the various citation-related talk pages this should go on. Can anyone see a fault in my formatting of ? I'm suspecting a bug, which is causing the author's first name to render as She et al rather than Sheetal. Before I embarrass myself among the techies, at whatever talk page they may haunt, I would appreciate it if someone could check. - Sitush (talk) 17:58, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * That's weird... ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 18:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You can use Sheetal  to avoid the problem, but yeah - that's weird. GermanJoe (talk) 18:09, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Poor coding in Module:Citation/CS1, where the coding of the regexp for detecting an "et al." string in an author parameter treats the space character between "et" and "al" as optional, and doesn't demand a word boundary before the "et", so any name that ends in the characters "etal" in any form will be parsed into an "et al." mark. It's in the code line that says:

local pattern = ",? *'*[Ee][Tt] *[Aa][Ll][%.']*$"
 * You might want to report it at Module talk:Citation/CS1 and ask them to put in a "\w" (word boundary check) at the beginning of the regexp or something of the sort. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Reported as suggested. Thanks for narrowing down the problem area, FPaS. - Sitush (talk) 18:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Referencing at Jay Frank Schamberg
I am try to improve my article entitled Jay Frank Schamberg. Three of my references look like this:

Cite error: The named reference Steen was invoked but never defined (see the help page). Cite error: The named reference Friedman.2Fpp_287-316 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
 * Cite error: The named reference Kraut was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

My question is how do I define these references.

Thank you for your help.

Jay Schamberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jschamberg (talk • contribs) 19:44, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Somebody has already fixed it. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:04, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * , You have slightlky misunderstood how the   tags work.
 * The basic form is
 * If a cite is to be used in more than one place in an article, the form  may be used.
 * then other identical cites may be represented as  which will make an additional reference to the same source as the full citation using CiteNm. But there must be exactly one cite that uses a pair of ref tags and full details for each separate named cite, that is, for each specific value of the name= parameter in a ref tag.
 * Please see Referencing for Beginners for more details, and then Citing Sources for fuller details, or ask again here if this is not clear. I have corrected some of the citations on Jay Frank Schamberg. DES (talk) 20:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, if, as your user name suggests, Jay Frank Schamberg was a relative of yours, you should read WP:COI and perhaps declare your connection at Talk:Jay Frank Schamberg. I don't see a serious problem here, but transparency in such matters is always better. DES (talk) 20:34, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Infobox difficulties
Lumena For this article I can't figure out why the infobox doesn't display all information including HQ city. Muzzleflash (talk) 20:17, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The infobox in Lumena is generated by Template:Infobox_company, which does not support "HQ city", though it supports hq_location_city. Maproom (talk) 21:28, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that you have in fact specified "| hq_location_city = Sichuan", which seems to me correct (apart from Sichuan not being a city), and it still doesn't work. I am puzzled. Maproom (talk) 21:42, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not your fault. The hq_location code of Infobox_company broke today after [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Comma_separated_entries&diff=664153012&oldid=579832984 this] edit by User:Alakzi to another template. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed and apologies - that was rather careless of me. Alakzi (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Separated_entries&diff=664153602&oldid=664152483] said "Tempkate:Comma separated entries" with 'k' in "Tempkate". Was that it? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:26, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was. >.< Alakzi (talk) 22:28, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

COI
How do I make a disclosure about a possible COI? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jschamberg (talk • contribs) 21:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * See here. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 21:15, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * , edit the talk page, in this case Talk:Jay Frank Schamberg. Add a section with a meaningful title, such as "Possible conflict of interest" or "Relationship". (a section title is placed alone on a line and flanked by paired equals signs, see WP:SECTION.) Describe your relation or connection to the article subject. Sign the comment with four tildes ( ~ ). The software will replace these with your signature, which normally includes your user name and a link to your user and/or user talk pages. In that way, other editors will know that your user name has a particular connection with the subject, and can bear this in mind when it might be relevant. DES (talk) 21:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Citing Excel file
Hi all! I would like to cite an Excel file I found online, but I'd prefer not to have only the bare Excel link -- because if that's all there is, readers won't be able to assess its credibility. Here is the best reference I have come up with so far:  which gives: "Cuadro 11" [Table 11 ] (.xls). In  Does anyone have a better way of doing this? Is there some sort of cite web functionality I've missed and could be using? Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Excel files are not reliably published sources -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  08:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't see why an excel file can't be a reliable source,, if it is on a reliable website. If I'm interpreting correctly, , this is on the site of the Panamanian government, so its status is no different from if they had presented the data in a table directly on a web-page: a primary source. As for how to format the citation: I've no better solution. --ColinFine (talk) 09:08, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * oops i didnt see it was an official government site. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  09:13, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

question re deletion
Hello

I have created a page called Katerina Pospisilova but it is suggested for a deletion. I have provided supporting reference http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2647011/. Please advise how to proceed so the page is not deleted.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Fan of Katerina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cumpeska (talk • contribs) 21:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The IMDB reference is insufficient to establish that this person meets our notability guidelines - we need evidence of significant coverage in multiple third-party published reliable sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:40, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * After a speedy deletion tag was placed on the article, you removed it repeatedly. this is not permitted, and will not prevent deletion. You also seem to have creted a page on the same person with the samei nformation under a somewhat differnt spelling (with Czech diacritical marks). This sort of approach to prevent deletion will not work either. Both have been deleted, and both title protected to stop further re-creation. Wikipedia is not a fan site.  DGG ( talk ) 05:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * , I point out that I removed the speedy deletion tag on the article, because in my judgement it was not an A7, as a plausible claim of significance had been made in the article. There wasn't enough there yet to survive AfD of course, and I am not asserting that the person was notable, as I hadn't had time to do a search for possible sources. But I should like to know on what grounds a page was speedy deleted, and then salted, after an experienced good-faith uninvolved editor had removed the speedy tag, posting an edit summery (and IIRC on the talk page as well) that a claim of significance was present? DES (talk) 15:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Disclosing a possible COI
How can I disclose a possible COI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jschamberg (talk • contribs) 21:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Answered above- please refrain from asking the same question multiple times. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Spam?
This user has added external links to dozens of articles that lead to the UC Santa Cruz digital collections. Is that OK, or is that considered spamming? What if the user is affiliated with UC Santa Cruz and is trying to promote its collections? 32.218.33.171 (talk) 22:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * All the links appear to go to images of historical figures, and all were added to articles about those people. It might have been better had these not been done in a rush, b ut none of the ones I looked at seemed inappropriate or against policy to me. DES (talk) 01:03, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Couple of users have asked them about it at their talkpage too. Joseph2302 (talk) 01:05, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

1956 Births.
I know 2  people who were born in 1956 who are not on the list.

Richard Alan Proctor. 29 Febuary. Derby.

Tina Melinda Snooks, (myself.) 31 August. S.E. Hackney, London. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.48.149 (talk) 23:52, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Those lists are basically limited to people who have articles on Wikipedia (WP:WTAF). Neither does, and I don't know if either is notable enough to support an article.  Rwessel (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * As far as I can see, neither person has a Wikipedia article. Only people notable enough to have a Wikipedia article are added to these lists. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:57, 26 May 2015 (UTC)