Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 May 28

= May 28 =

Uploading a photo to Commons
I have a friend who took some photos of her husband, who has his own article here. I'm going to show her how to upload them, and how to fill in the proper blanks in the upload form. She isn't on Wikipedia, so if there are future questions or challenges to the photos, she will never see them. I, however, am on Wikipedia virtually every day. What can I do, other than keeping my eye on the watchlist, to make sure that any questions and challenges are directed to me? I'm willing to upload the photos from my account if that is OK. Lou Sander (talk) 01:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You could have her create her own account. When you upload them, you're saying you license them in a certain way but they aren't technically yours to license.  You can then put your explanation on the talk page of the images.  And put them on your own watchlist.  Dismas |(talk) 02:17, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I confess to having violated that rule with a photo that my sister took. I know she took it, and I know I had her permission to upload and release it. I think any objection to such good-faith usage would be overly strict, but anyone is welcome to challenge the photo on the basis of this here confession. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  02:25, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I want to say that I've done the same but in my case, the other person in my case wasn't as willing as OP's friend seems to actually going through the process with OP. Dismas |(talk) 03:39, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * "When you upload them, you're saying you license them in a certain way but they aren't technically yours to license." Not so. By uploading you are saying that they are licensed in a specified way. If they are someone else's work, you are certifing that the copyright holder has agreed to so licnese them (and saying who the holder is). In this case I would upload them on my friend's behalf, with an exmail exchange to the permissions address so that the ownership and release is documented in the Wikimedia system. Having your friend create an account would also work, of course, and you could watchlist the files. Or you could take your own photo of the person who is the subject of the article, if you so chose. DES (talk) 04:21, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

WILBYVILLE OR Willyville MI in 1891
Hi, I'm working on genealogy and I have a draft registration for Walter Avery Pillsbury and it says he was born in Wilbyville or Willbyville in 4 Aug 1891 and I was hoping you might be able to tell me if there was such a place in 1891 and maybe its disappeared or become part of another city. In ancestry his Draft Registration, Detroit City, Michigan in 1917 is at

I couldn't seem to find a way to upload a crop of it. The link might be able to let you see it, I've only used your pages info in searches, didn't know I could create an account.

I've been search for hours and nothing that looks like it might be the name.

Dinel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noknots (talk • contribs) 03:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a question for the reference desk.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Attached KML produces a download of a file called index.php instead of index.kml
I have set up an "Attached KML" entry in an article and created the associated file, but when on the rendered display of the article the underlined and in blue "KML file" is poked by the rodent, the downloaded file is called index.php. If this file is renamed to index.kml, then all goes well - Google Earth proceeds to create the overlay. I have tried this on three different computers (cybercafes) and none recognise the .php type in itself. Is there something I should be doing? The specific page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_New_Zealand and the associated file is Template:Attached KML/List of power stations in New Zealand but there appears to be nothing special about that, as I tried also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IV_postcode_area and its attached KML file offering also was downloaded as index.php Renaming it to index.kml worked for it as well. The resulting Google Earth tree has a name that could better be used as the name of the file in place of "index", but having it not work at all until the file type is changed seems rather an obstacle for the user eager to view the information just downloaded, especially as many systems conceal the file type information. Is there some extra step I have omitted in the content of the "Attached KML" entry? NickyMcLean (talk) 04:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Sounds like your browser doesn't recognise what a KML file is. Not sure how you fix that without installing Google Earth or some other application that handles them and will create the appropriate settings.--ukexpat (talk) 12:53, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Google Earth was installed on all the systems used for the tests. In the installation process I did not activate the option to add a Google Earth feature to the browser (I've just tried a reinstallation "repair" style, and no such option was offered; I don't recall the exact wording now. Nor did it appear after uninstalling then reinstalling) so I shall try restarting the computer as well... Meanwhile, clicking on the KML file offering opens a box "Opening index.php" wherein Firefox asks what to do with the file. There is no file-rename option. If instead of "Save" (also with no file-rename option) I select the "open-with" option and then browse to and finger Googleearth.exe, indeed Google Earth activates but the contents of index.php do not appear nor is there any message.
 * Nope, uninstalling then restarting did not lead to an offer to attach Google Earth to the browser in some manner, that I do recall seeing some time back. NickyMcLean (talk) 10:51, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

scrambled columns
See Republic of Serbian Krajina. On my screen at least, the names are shown out of alphabetical order. In the source code, they are correct. Is this a known bug in ? —Tamfang (talk) 06:44, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * On my maximized Firefox screen the names are in the same sequence as in the code, reading top-down then left-to-right. Some of the names are out of alphabetic sequence in both, however. And in some cases, such as Dubica, the position is correct in the code, according to page name, but incorrect in page view due to piping. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  06:49, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, piping! D'oh! —Tamfang (talk) 17:54, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft articles for improvement
Thanks for the answer above about articles that need improvement with good references. Now I have another question. I came across a long list of articles that are were submitted in "draft" form, and were rejected. Are they waiting for the original editors that submitted those drafts to come back to the article to fix it up and make it wiki-worthy, or can any editor just sort of "adopt" a draft article and improve it and then re-submit it? I am just trying to figure out how the steps work when creating and editing new articles. Thanks.Donna Helene (talk) 08:55, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * , Anyone may edit any draft at any time with the object of improving it and getting it ready for mainspace. If the original poster is activly working on it, it is polite to colleerabe with that user, using the draft talk page or even the other user's personal talk page (perhaps via tb, or with pings if a new user might not know to check the dradt talk page). Of course this is always true when multiple users work on a page, but is even more true in draft, I think. If the draft seems abandoned, this is less vital, but a note when you start work, and another when you are ready to move to mainspace would IMO be welcome, altoih not required. DES (talk) 12:34, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

List of longest streams of Idaho
I fixed a couple of problems with the above, but it has some tricky footnotes that need TLC. The problem at the moment is that three notes appear at the bottom of the page (under External links); these are due to two usages of refn. I added "|group=lower-alpha" to each of these to move them to the Notes section, but previewing showed that caused a cite error for ref 3. If someone feels like patching it up, please do so and I'll admire the result. Johnuniq (talk) 10:54, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * This is beyond what I am capable of understanding. I may have fixed the first one. See if I did. As for the others, that's a whole new level of referencing I have no experience with.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:12, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * and have done something. Perhaps they solved the problems.—  Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  17:10, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Problem with "What links here"
If you go to Tallahassee, Florida and click on What links here, the first item is Annapolis, Maryland and the second is Atlanta. The name Tallahassee is not in either article. If you go to Annapolis, the second item on "What Links Here" is Austin, Texas. But there's no reference to Annapolis in the article. What gives? deisenbe (talk) 15:21, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I had a similar issue at the now deleted The Chauntry Cup page a few weeks ago, which claimed to have 5-10 pages linking there, when there was actually just 1. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:23, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * You often have to click "[show]" on navigation templates at the bottom to see links. Both Tallahassee, Florida and Annapolis, Maryland transclude US state capitals which links to Tallahassee, Florida. Mobile versions may omit navigation templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't see what to click on. "Capitals" gets no hits. 166.172.188.141 (talk) 18:07, 28 May 2015 (UTC) However the Talahassee is a pipe to Tallahassee, Florida, so "Tallahassee, Florida" is in the article, but "hidden" twice - once by being in a collapsed box, and secondly by being a piped link where only Tallahassee is visible/ - Arjayay (talk) 18:17, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If, at the bottom of Annapolis, Maryland, you click on "show" at the RHS of the "Capitals of the United States by jurisdiction" it will open up - and it includes "FL Tallahassee".


 * RHS = Right Hand Side. Dismas |(talk) 19:25, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. It sure doesn't seem the most intuitive way to do things - every state capital shows as linked from every other state capital.

Is there a way to search for links to Tallahassee, Florida excluding every other state capital, unless there's a human-created, meaningful link? Thanks. deisenbe (talk) 22:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * No. It's a frequently requested feature to be able to omit links made by navigation templates from "What links here". PrimeHunter (talk) 09:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Jerry Taylor
I would like to remove the nonsensical information about Jerry Taylor from his Wikipedia page. This can be accomplished by reverting back to the previous, accurate version of the page.

Is someone able to revert the page?

Jane.connors (talk) 16:04, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Edits that appear to be vandalism have been reverted. You can revert vandalism yourself.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:50, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Download a pdf problems
When I try to download as a pdf a Wikipedia page, it only gives me an abridged version of it. This always happens when the page lists several seasons of a tv program. What I get on the pdf is not what was on the screen. How do I download everything on the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.235.129 (talk) 16:54, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In an article like List of Pretty Little Liars episodes most of the content that appears isn't actually on that page. It is transcluded from the pages about the individual seasons. That is, the content is just being displayed but is not actually part of the page you are looking at. It seems that converting a page to pdf takes just the content that is on that page. To get the rest you will need to go to the transcluded pages themselves. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If you view the printable page the transcluded information is still there, so if you then save the printable page as a pdf you'll have the result you seek.~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:51, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that I am wrong about this. It seems that the transcluded material does get included. The specific problem may be that tables, which are common in articles like this, don't get converted into the pdf. See Help:Download as PDF for details. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:56, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

The Mark of the Beast.
I have a problem adding biblical refences to the Mark of the Best Article. Please add these to the article: Ezra 2:12-14, 2 Chronicles 9:13, 9:22. 1 Kings 10:14-15, 10:23-27, 11:1-13. Revelations 13 & 14.FortinoIME1 (talk) 18:50, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It's hard to add references when we don't know where to put them. You haven't said which sentences they are to support.  Perhaps Referencing for beginners would help you out?  Dismas |(talk) 19:27, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The article is Number of the Beast. Mark of the Beast redirects to a section of that article.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * And your biblical "references" fall under our "primary sources" umbrella which are discouraged in part because they frequently lead to "original research" and as primary sources, they are particularly for a topic unnecessary which is covered quite thoroughly by reliably published secondary sources.--  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  22:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error: the named reference was invoked but never defined
I'm using efn for footnotes on the article 2014 Chicago Sky season. I was able to use it for one reference, but another one is coming back as an error stating that the named reference "time" was invoked but never defined. I'm not certain where the coding error is in the wiki code. --Pink Fae (talk) 21:25, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Pink Fae, somehow the templates or the notelist got confused with the double || characters, I just removed the duplicate | and it seems to solve the problem. GermanJoe (talk) 21:38, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! Sometimes it is good to have another pair of eyes to take a look-see. The double || must have blurred into one when I proofread it. :) --Pink Fae (talk) 21:42, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Linking to Talk pages
Please forgive the basic nature of this question, but a quick answer would keep me from wasting so much time searching:

Can one construct a link to a section of a talk page (both live and archived)? If so, how? Or does one simply link to the entire page and tell the reader to look for thus-and-such on this page? Many thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjhanley (talk • contribs) 22:04, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The same way one links to a section of any page Help_desk or User_talk:TheRedPenOfDoom -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  22:09, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * To link to a section of a page, add #Section name to the link, for example Help desk links to this section. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:09, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * In reference to your question about the archive, that would be formatted the same way but would be preceded by the archive page name. There is no way to have a link to what is now a non-archived page suddenly change once that page is archived.  It would have to manually be changed once the archiving occurs.  If not, what is a functional link right now, will break once the page is archived.  Dismas |(talk) 00:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
I wanted to complete a imcom;ete stroy of how he entered acting. I have the source but did I enter it at the wrong place? I could not get it into where it is suppose to be entered. Peggy Tower — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peggy tower (talk • contribs)


 * 1. Please sign your edits using the "sign edit" icon.
 * 2. What article are you talking about? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  00:30, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * This must be about Eric Fleming. I see that the OP has deleted a validly referenced statement about his cause of death, and replaced it by a statement attributed to a blog. Maproom (talk) 00:33, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I have removed the blog claim and restored the published one. Someone else must have dealt with the citation error. Maproom (talk) 08:10, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Shifting a tracklisting to another col.
Hello

I have I have just tried to update Nathan Carter (singer)

I need to move the tracking listing into the tracklisting section, can you help?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Countrymusicinfonut (talk • contribs) 23:42, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I've never seen tracklistings done this way on Wikipedia. You might want to think about removing the tracklistings from that article and putting them in separate articles for the albums themselves.  Dismas |(talk) 00:34, 29 May 2015 (UTC)