Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 May 9

= May 9 =

Matsuo Basho information
Dear Help Desk, I was wondering if the information given on Matsuo Basho is accurate and has little to no errors. That's all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dllarkins (talk • contribs) 00:46, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You need to judge for yourself, by following the links to the sources used in the article. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  01:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Documents filed with the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission)
Can one use a registration document, such as an S-1, that has been filed by a company with the Securities and Exchange Commission ("SEC") as a reference? This would presumably be a link to EDGAR. What would such a link look like? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliptis (talk • contribs) 01:15, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dudders35 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Re: Victoria Cross


 * Your edits contain multiple ref tags for references named Creagh and Ashton, but neither reference exists in the article. You must either define those references, change the refnames in the tags to names that exist, or remove the ref tags. See Help:Referencing for beginners for more information. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  03:30, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Need Help regarding my University Page
Sant_Longowal_Institute_of_Engineering_and_Technology

This is my university page. I am editing it, trying my best to extract every source of info from web and adding it properly and in a organised way. But someone is reverting the changes made everytime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Szmohitkumar (talk • contribs) 03:31, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Refer to the page history. Locate the edits that reverted yours. Do the edit summaries for those edits explain the reason sufficiently? If not, contact the editor on their user talk page and ask for explanation. If unable to reach an understanding there, you can start a discussion involving them and others on the article's talk page. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  03:38, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The Wikipedia article should not contain advertising or promotional material. Try to make the article read like an encyclopaedia, not the prospectus or website of the university.    D b f i r s   13:40, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Nusrat Ghani
Please can you help resolve this disagreement relating to the used name of British politician NUS GHANI?

I am not a Conservative party supporter but have been working on Nus Ghani's Wiki page AT HER REQUEST. Her used name, and the name she wishes to use here is 'NUS GHANI', not 'Nusrat'. AHLM13 keeps reverting to the full birth name, despite my making the position clear on the Talk Page - which he/she has ignored - in terms which I think are polite and stand to reason. (Many politicians choose to be known by names other than their full birth name, and Nus Ghani should not be made an exception against her own wishes). Despite this, AHLM13 has reverted it again, without any discussion or even acknowledgement, presumably for some reason of his/her own. In fact, he/she has used the term ‘vandalism’ on the Edit page in realtion to my last contribution which seems rather high-handed.

This is an important issue as not only should any individual have the right to call themselves whatever they want, but in Britain the introduction of politicians of Islamic background into public life is currently an issue of some sensitivity. Nus Ghani has the right to describe herself in whatever terms she chooses without other individuals vetoing her decision. I wonder whether the fact that AHLM13 is apparently a member of the 'Wiki Project Pakistan' is relevant? Is AHLM13 trying to make a cultural point in apparently INSISTING that Nus Ghani, a politician of British-Pakistani origin, uses the full Pakistani version of her name? Is he/she approaching this from a neutral stand-point or does he/she have an axe to grind?

I hope you can assist.

Many thanks.

L0nst5n — Preceding unsigned comment added by L0nst5n (talk • contribs) 12:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is no such thing as "the right to call themselves whatever they want" in Wikipedia. Instead, we have a rule we abbreviate WP:COMMONNAME: basically, an article is titled by the most commonly used name for the subject in our sources. If most newspaper articles and the like call her Nusrat, so will we; if most news coverage calls her Nus, so shall we. That's not her choice, or yours, to make. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:19, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * There's an ongoing discussion on the topic in the appropriate place: Talk:Nusrat Ghani. In the article's current under referenced state, it's hard to see what the case is for the move; but if the case is made, I'll be glad to do the tech stuff to make it happen. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  20:24, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

CS1 error
In Climate of Ancient Rome reference 3 displays red accessdate CS1 error, despite correct input (I also tried other date formats, but the error persists). Interestingly, the error is followed by correct display of the accessdate. Can't figure out why only this ref is messed, any idea? Brandmeistertalk  16:43, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It isn't August 2015 yet. Date checking only allows one day ahead (to allow for time zones). --  Gadget850talk 16:48, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Meh, I thought it's 2014, eye got tired. Brandmeistertalk  17:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Changing photo on a page?
How do you import a new photo currently on Wiki Commons to replace the current photo on the page titled Bill O'Neill (media). The photo in Commons has the same title.Seeliesamara (talk) 18:13, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * You would do that by modifying the image parameter of the infobox template, but I don't know why you would want to. File:Bill O'Neill (media).jpg is 12 years old. Of the available images on Commons, I don't see any that I would consider a clear improvement over the image currently in the infobox. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  20:03, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I now see that you apparently meant File:Bill O'Neill.JPG, since that is your work. That might be an improvement with some cropping. Without cropping, the head (the most important part) would be too small in the infobox. If you don't have a software tool for cropping, just reply here to that effect and someone else will do that for you and probably modify the article as well. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  20:09, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Creating a redirect
At the moment, Barbara Celarent (and Barbara celarent) are redlinked. Would Syllogism, William of Sherwood, or Andrew Abbott be the best target, or, indeed, another page altogether? I feel that this question might be better on a talk page, but it's not clear to me which talk page to use, so I'm asking here. If there's a more appropriate venue, I'll ask there instead. Tevildo (talk) 18:44, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, Barbara celarent and Barbara Celarent have two different meanings and so two different potential targets. Barbara celarent is the opening phrase of a mnemonic attributed to William of Sherwood about syllogisms, while Barbara Celarent is a pseudonym of Andrew Abbott (although he was almost certainly using it with reference to the rhyme).  Maybe a disambiguation page would be in order.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:41, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Good question. I think I'd redirect the first one (with capitalized Celarent) to Andrew Abbott and the second one to William of Sherwood. As a phrase, "barbara celarent" has no particular meaning that would suggest Syllogism as a target, though the individual words obviously do. I think I'd also include a link somewhere in the "Barbara Celarent" section of the Andrew Abbott article to the relevant section in the William of Sherwood article. Deor (talk) 19:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input! I'm therefore thinking along the lines of:
 * Barbara Celarent >> Andrew Abbott (with hatnote on Abbott's page)
 * Barbara celarent >> Barbara Celarent (disambiguation)
 * Barbara Celarent (disambiguation) : Disambiguate between Abbott (pseudonym), Sherwood (poem), Syllogism, and Darconville's Cat (cat).
 * Does this sound reasonable? Tevildo (talk) 20:16, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I guess, except why not just make "Barbara celerent" the dab page, with the opening "Barbara celerent or Barbara Celerent may refer to:"? Also, that there's no mention of the words "Barbara Celerent" in Darconville's Cat may be confusing. Deor (talk) 07:40, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I personally don't think disambiguation via capitalization only is a good idea, especially as the search box auto-complete function doesn't show the two entries separately. The character name was in the "Darconville's Cat" article yesterday (here), but the article is now up for AfD, so the dab page link is probably redundant anyway. Tevildo (talk) 08:10, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Notifications that someone has linked an article you have (at least technically) started
I have found that if an article I have created was originally just a redirect or something else, I don't get those notifications. Is it possible for me to do something that will allow me to get those notifications? Dustin ( talk ) 21:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no way of which I am aware to be notified when somebody links to an article. You can find out when one has been edited, by adding it to your watchlist. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:06, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course you can monitor "What links here" for your article. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  22:12, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The mentioned notification is caused by enabling "Page link" at Special:Preferences. I don't know a way to do it for pages you didn't create. If you start an article by creating a draft page elsewhere then you could use db-move on a redirect to request it is deleted and replaced by the draft you created. I assume that would cause notifications when the page is linked. I don't know how such db-move requests would be reviewed if an administrator thinks you could just edit the redirect and copy-paste your draft. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:13, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Help desk display issue?
There seems to be a display issue with a box I've never noticed on this help desk page. First problem (red circle) is that it's scrolling with the page and merging into the other text, for example, the languages section. Secondly (green circle) there's a margin error in its display. Is it connected to the post a few above this that I fixed a display issue on or is it something else?

Pic for reference:. Cheers, CaptRik (talk) 22:14, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It's a navigation box added to the help desk last June. I don't know what you mean by a margin error in the green circle. You should be able to minimize the box by clicking "[hide]" but the link may only work when the box doesn't overlap with other links. You can remove the box completely with this in :

div#hd-pageNavBox {display: none;}
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 23:01, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I added that to my CSS and it had no noticeable effect. I logged out and even cycled Firefox. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  23:20, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it's old code that doesn't work after the box code was changed. Try this instead:


 * 1) HD-pageNavBox {display: none !important;}
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 23:51, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Better, thanks. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  00:08, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * By margin error I mean that the ']' to the right of Hide is right up against the border of the box and looks incorrect. The whole box looks odd if I choose to hide it.  All strange that I've never noticed it before.  CaptRik (talk) 23:44, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Adding pictures?
Hello, I am wondering how to add a picture to the James A. Garfield page showing his statue in Cincinnati, Ohio. I edited the text to include the statue but would like to see this pic added as well. Thanks, GilliganH — Preceding unsigned comment added by GilliganH (talk • contribs) 23:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, it looks like your addition to James A. Garfield has been reverted. In that case it's probably better to start a discussion about your suggestion at the article's talkpage, or to contact the reverting editor directly on their talkpage (User talk:Ian Rose). A guideline to upload images can be found at Uploading images (assuming the image is not already hosted somewhere on Commons or en-Wiki). GermanJoe (talk) 00:14, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * , you made a couple of mistakes when you added two sentences to James A. Garfield. You copied them from Piatt Park, which may be fair enough; but instead of copying the supporting reference (from the editable source of the page), you merely copied the readable text, so the reference appeared as "[6]", with no actual reference. And, you marked your edit as "minor", when it wasn't; when an editor does this, it tends to make other editors wonder whether he is trying to hide something improper. Also, see the edit commentary by the editor who removed those sentences. I believe that if you re-added the sentences with a real reference and in a more appropriate section of the article, they would be a good contribution and would be retained. Maproom (talk) 07:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC)