Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 November 11

= November 11 =

Requesting a speedy deletion of an article nominated for deletion.
If an article is currently nominated for deletion, am I allowed to request it for a speedy deletion? Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 00:48, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * In reviewing the deletion policy, I don't see any rule against requesting speedy deletion of an article that is nominated for deletion. However, as the deletion policy states, speedy deletion should only be requested in the most obvious cases.  If the article in question is Tommy Duggan (actor), I do not think that speedy deletion under A7 is appropriate and would let the deletion discussion run.  If you have another article in mind that you did not nominate for deletion, then is there a specific reason that you want to end the deletion discussion?  The only reason that I can think of why I would tag an article for speedy deletion when a deletion discussion is underway would be copyright violation.  That is my opinion.  Other editors may have other opinions.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:07, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: I can understand that. By the way, speaking of deletion, I have nominated another article, Malick Bowens, for deletion. Unlike the Duggan article, I requested the Bowens article for deletion manually rather than the use of Twinkle. I think my request my request for deletion for the Bowens article is incomplete and that I forgot to do something. Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 01:22, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Your deletion nomination of Malick Bowens appears to be complete. That article is closer to being a candidate for A7, but I would still suggest letting the deletion discussion run.  If in doubt as to what method to use to get rid of a cruddy article, use Articles for Deletion, which is a community process and is transparent.  My own opinion is to use speedy deletion only if the article is in some way harmful, rather than because it isn't good or appropriate.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:18, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Awards Thomas McGuane
Would like to add this to my Wiki page:

THOMAS MCGUANE

Montana Governor's Award for the Arts, 1988; Northwestern Bookseller's Award, 1992; Golden Plate Award, American Academy Achievement, 1993; honorary doctorate degrees from Montana State University, 1993, and Rocky Mountain College, 1995.

And if possible I would like to note that I have been frequently included in Best American Short Stories, and have been similarly honored in Best American Essays, Best American Mystery Stories and Best American Sports Essays — Preceding unsigned comment added by Westboulder (talk • contribs) 01:33, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Please see WP:COI, in general you shouldn't edit articles about yourself or other topics, where you have a "conflict of interest". You should post suggestions for changes on the article's talkpage. Please make sure to provide independent reliable sources for your information, and add the template on top of your message text (see Template:request edit for more info). Other editors will look into your suggestion and implement it, if it is within Wikipedia's content guidelines. Such requests are usually backlogged, so it may take some time for your request to be answered by a volunteer. PS: I took the liberty and trimmed the looong title a bit :), such headers disrupt the table of content and are really hard to read. GermanJoe (talk) 01:55, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Mike The Mover-Wikipedia..
MIKE THE MOVER IS A FEDERALLY REGISTERED TRADEMARK. Your story line suggests that my company is under a current Washington state restraining order WUTC/1997). That order has never been enforced, and the company enjoys exempt status as a household goods carrier. See: The Original Mike The Mover web-page. MTM. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike the Mover (talk • contribs) 01:48, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The article in question is Mike the Mover. You have a conflict of interest with regard to editing the article yourself, but it is subject to the biographies of living persons policy.  If you think that the article should be corrected, either go to the article talk page, Talk:Mike the Mover, or post a thread to the biographies of living persons noticeboard.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:24, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * , it is possible your username would be considered promotional because it is the name of the business. Changing your username might be a good idea.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:42, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

The copyrighted sculpture Neptune Virginia Beach

 * Note: that per our naming conventions, the article under discussion has been moved to King Neptune (statue) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  03:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Greetings. I am Paul DiPasquale, author and sculptor of Neptune Virginia Beach - this is the registered copyrighted title. The sculpture has been owned by the City of Virginia Beach since 2005, however I retain copyright; of course I have that document. There is currently a Wikipedia site titled "King Neptune Virginia Beach" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Neptune_statue,_Virginia_Beach ). This was put up a while ago with no ill intent I believe by an employee at the Neptune Festival a 501-C3 organization also located in Virginia Beach. The information was mostly taken from my website, PublicSculpture.info and is cited as such. Other parts of it came from interviews done with me by press and other media publications (also pulling from my web site) and some of that information has clearly become misconstrued or confusing in its reporting and re-reporting. Parts of what is currently posted has been mis-interpreted and mis-understood. I found this out recently because a writer for the Virginia Beach publication "Sunny Day" who wants to write about the production of the Neptune Virginia Beach statue telephoned me and asked me to clear up her confusion over what she had read on the Wikipedia site. This prompted me to go to the site (first time I'd seen it). I was both surprised and perturbed.

For example, under "Fundraising and Dedication" section is this sentence which ends that paragraph:
 * "DiPasquale’s initial plans for the statue’s makeup led to low cost expectations, but the materials were deemed unable to withstand heavy storms                    and were then replaced by more an expensive metal in bronze."

The writer has confused the choice and use of the clay vs. plaster and wood for use in constructing the full scale working model which will then be molded and cast with the end result of producing the full scale statue in bronze.

So, I rewrote most of the writing on this site, making factual corrections about what materials were used or planned for use, when various processes were done, etc. I gave this to my assistant to upload on Wikipedia and that hasn't worked well... so far. Red Flags went up. My assistant explained to Wikipedia that she works for me and the response was that her "data may be biased". Meanwhile, much of the previous information on the site has been taken down and the notice "This section does not cite any reference sources" is at the top of the page... but the above quoted sentence still remains.

So, as the designer, author and copyright holder of this sculpture, Neptune Virginia Beach, am I not a reliable source? Can I not make corrections starting with the incorrect title of my work? My re-write is in the same format as what is/was on the site. If I try to upload this under my Wikipedia Account as opposed to my assistant's account will that work? Or perhaps the better solution would for me to put up a new entry, properly titled, and request the removal of the wrongly titled posting? I would greatly appreciate your direction here and then my assistant and/or I will follow the proper Wikipedia channels to get this correctly posted. Thank you. Dipasqualepublicsculpture (talk) 02:02, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If the content of the article is based primarily upon your webisite, that is problematic as articles should based primarily upon what third parties have discussed about the subject of the article. And no, as a person/site with a conflict of interest what you say is considered "reliable" only for certain limited content --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  02:07, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Read the conflict of interest policy and the dispute resolution policy. If you think that the article has errors, you or your assistant should discuss on the article talk page, Talk: King Neptune statue, Virginia Beach.  I do not see any recent discussion of the edits made by your assistant.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * You are also welcome to insert the template   at the top of the page, which will add the following notice: This article's factual accuracy is disputed. Please help to ensure that disputed statements are reliably sourced. See the relevant discussion on the talk page.  This will put readers (and other editors) on notice that portions of the article may not be accurate, and that you have some information to contribute to its improvement (on the Talk page). This does not change the fact that one or more reliable sources (other than you) are needed for any information added or changed in the article, but will encourage other editors to help find such sources.  General Ization   Talk   03:22, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Wiki Ed
I'm not sure where to post this question, but I noticed recent edits to O Street Market by a student editor. The recent edits are problematic (WP:WEIGHT, WP:TONE, etc.), but I'm not sure if this is some type of test for the student (Wiki Ed/Bucknell University/Too Much Information (Fall 2015)) and the professor will be checking the article? If I remove some of the content, is this considered discouraging the Education program? The program must have started during my four year hiatus because I'm not familiar with it. APK whisper in my ear  06:27, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I cannot see how the status of the editor impacts the validity/quality of their edits in any way. If the edits are inappropriate, revert them.  Rwessel (talk) 07:18, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree, if there were student editors taking test it should be done in project/user space anyway.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 07:24, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The page for this class of students is here. I have had a look at the edits made by a few of the other students: they were generally good. But I think that the best thing to do with MikeMc95's edits is to revert them wholesale. (As well as the issues mentioned above, I suspect them of being a copyvio; but the referencing is so poor that I can't check.) Maproom (talk) 09:17, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * While I agree with the answer given by, I fully support the decision by to check in to see if something had changed. By the way welcome back APK. While I don't recall when the education program first started it has grown considerably in the last few years. We have a new notification system which hopefully notified you of this message. As before editors can start articles in their own sandboxes but we also have a formal space: Drafts. Other changes as well.-- S Philbrick  (Talk)  14:53, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you all for the help. APK whisper in my ear  16:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Isaac Benayon Sabbá
Reference help requested.

Hi, how can I fix the problem reported?

Thanks, Dsabba77 (talk) 09:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I see you have sorted the date out - the other problem was that you had used both the page and pages parameters - I have removed the pages. If you look at the diff you provided in the title above, each of the red-text points in the references section has a "help" in blue after it - clicking the help leads to an explanation of what is wrong with that parameter. - Arjayay (talk) 10:56, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key
Use the grand bastard background for loss recovery efferts hiden in art galleries Colorado/Chicago/NY/AZ/default for tide to move in after camp1 sold without my knowledge

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.229.209.175 (talk) 14:51, 11 November 2015‎ (UTC)


 * Would you like to repose your question in English, IP user? And telling us the name of the Wikipedia page in question might help as well. --ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * These are perfectly cromulent words, but the order does not embiggen the spirit.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:55, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Alasdair Drysdale
Could someone please inform me of the correct parameters to cite a chapter in a book? Thanks.Gomach (talk) 14:57, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * cite book has a "| chapter= " parameter. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I have used that parameter but can't get the citation to read properly in the article space. Any ideas...Gomach (talk) 16:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * As far as I can see, the text which you have specified in the  parameter is correctly displayed for each of the two instances where you have used it in Alasdair Drysdale.  Perhaps you can explain in more detail what you think the problem is? --David Biddulph (talk) 16:35, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I thought the editors would have been listed after the title of the book.Gomach (talk) 17:12, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't understand, if your question is about editors, why not ask about the editors and not ask about chapters. That said, the template will display the information in whatever order it is set to. You can put the parameters in any order that you like within the source of the article but how it's displayed is up to the template. If you feel that the order that it gets displayed in should be changed, then you should bring that up for discussion on the talk page for the cite book template. Dismas |(talk) 18:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

need your help and judtic
The United Nations issued a death sentence on the family of a former employee of UNRWA

UN practiced terrorism against staff and lack of justice. Terrorism and persecution, repression and authoritarianism and centralization are not just words it acts perpetrated against United Nations staff, especially in UNRWA

Dear sir

i send you my message hope you can help me and Send my problem to the Secretary-General of the United Nations.

I have a very sad and strange story, hope you listen my story and help me , that you are the voice of rights and justice ,

I am Mohammad Hayek, Palestinian refugee , live in Syria, at Hama city, age 61 years , My family contains from my wife and two disabled sons and one disabled daughter, the old son have 33 years and second 23 years, the last 21 years, , all cannot serve themselves and need special care,, special need as diaper, clothes, foods, Gas, medicine and my wife always get seizures and convulsions nervous attached I am without any job and without any income and no anyone support my family specially In this bad situation and war in Syrian and high cost of living This is my story, it is about the terrorism in united nation against the employees : I was an employee at UNITED NATION IN UNRWA/ SYRIA FIELD since 1981 in the post social worker. In 15/5/ 2002 received termination letter from job, and the termination Start at the morning of 16/5/2002, just they gave me only one hour and half before termination , for Reasons that are not real far from logic and reason and are inconsistent with the applicable regulations and rules staff at the United Nations. It is also contrary to the relief and social affairs in UNRWA instructions ( staff rule number (ST / SCB / 2010/6) also staff laws Secretary General of the United Nations are all bulletin issued from 2010 until 2014) ST / SGB /2010 - 2011 -2013 / 2014)

and this rule no. and what including and say:

10-1 A AND B - 10-2 Disciplinary measures 3-10 The formation of a commission of inquiry and waiting for the results (of legal proceedings in the disciplinary process 1-10 Employee granting vacation administrative authorities pending investigation 7-9 Notice of termination is given the employee a period of three months before the entry into force of the decision to end the service of the employee Permanent Appointment and one-month period of the employee for a limited time B-3-10 Any disciplinary action on the employee must be proportionate to the nature and seriousness of his misconduct. This is not actually not by the administration or by the Joint Appeals Board nor by UNRWA Dispute Tribunal. Facility personnel Act 2014

All these laws are not taken into account and did not care at all and has not been any work of executing the law, On the contrary, they did not give any time limit by defending myself only an hour and half before the validity of the decision of termination

It proceeded to follow all the legitimate means available in the United Nations system, but no one achieves one of justice and fairness :

1-It resorted to the Joint Appeals Board in UNRWA but it was the second face of the administration and stressed the dismissal decision.

2-Advanced to the UNRWA Dispute Tribunal but to no avail arguing exceeded the time limit allowed a three-year note that UNRWA Dispute Tribunal flag directly attributable to the year 2010, how me to extend by three years.

3-I went to the Court of Appeal in New York, but confirmed the judgment of the Dispute Tribunal to UNRWA to exceed three years deadline.

As for the content of the decision of termination, I enclose a copy with him and discuss and refute the grounds set out in it according to the instructions relief in force at the time. If you would like to help me deliver my voice to the Secretary-General of the United Nations to achieve justice and fairness and erosion authoritarianism and centralization and personal interests of senior staff I will send you all official documents relating to this issue

thank you

with my best regard

Mohammad Hayek

31.9.232.13 (talk) 18:03, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the help desk about how to use or edit Wikipedia. Do you have a question about that? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  18:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism on my talk page
Hello. A week ago, a user named: "Come my body" was given a warning for his consistent vandalism. He removed it. I undid his edit, thinking that you shouldn't remove these kinds of warnings on your talk page. He undid my edit. I undid his. However, some users intervened and said I should stop, and I did. A user called: "NeiN" told me that he could remove the warning if he wanted to. I then thought that through and thought it was right. I accepted his statement without replying to him.

A week later (today), Come my body vandalized my talk page, adding pictures of middle fingers. I undid his edit, with the summary: "Undoing vandalism". He undid my edit. I undid that edit again, saying: "I apologize for what I did to your talk page a week ago, but I want an explanation." He stopped, but added a message saying: "You said you apologized? No, you didn't." I just did in that summary.

Is there any help that anyone could give me on this situation? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pezminer12 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * It is not clear what type of help you need, can you be more specific ?  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 18:17, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I was just wondering if there were any tips on how I could avoid possible incidents like this in the future. Pezminer12 (talk) 18:22, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The original poster appears to want advice on how to deal with a troll. First, with a very few exceptions, an editor has the right to remove talk page warnings, and Come on body had the right to do that.  Second, administrator Floquenbeam has issued a final warning.  Third, in general, trolls can be reported at WP:ANI.  (In my opinion, it wasn't simple vandalism that is reported at WP:AIV.)  However, in this case, asking for advice here has had the desired effect of reporting the troll.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:28, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * (e/c) The user vandalizing your page has been blocked indefinitely by User:NeilN. Neil was correct to tell you last week that people can remove block notices and warnings from their own talk pages, but when you run across trolls like this, they'll find some way to pester you no matter what you do.  Reporting them to WP:AIV usually (not always, but usually) results in a fairly quick resolution (I disagree with the comment above that this wasn't appropriate for AIV); until they're blocked, just ignore them and wait to remove their vandalism until once they've been blocked (to avoid wasting your time). Does that help? --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * One thing you generally need and should do to situate yourself properly to ask for a block at WP:AIV is warn the user, using an escalating series of warnings, and then ask for a block shortly after the conduct continues, following a final warning. This is not mechanical rule blindly followed. You can start with higher level warnings depending on the degree of the conduct, and many admins will block for truly egregious edits without a "full series", but doing this consistently will serve you well. WP:WARN contains a listing of most you might need for any given situation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:47, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok. Thank you for telling me where to report trolls. I totally acknowledge that users can remove talk page warnings if they want to. I'll keep this in mind in the future. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pezminer12 (talk • contribs) 13:44, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Failed translations
I've noticed a few new pages recently tagged as content translation which simply consist of articles in another language, not translated. Is there a particular reason for this, and can anything be done to help? Thanks, --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 19:12, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know why people do this; but what you can do is add them to WP:Pages needing translation into English. --ColinFine (talk) 00:01, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Adding links to related pages
I want to add some links from some Wikipedia pages to related materials on the International Buster Keaton Society website. For example, linking http://www.busterkeaton.com/Films/A01_The_Butcher_Boy.html to Wikipedia's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butcher_Boy_(1917_film). How do I do this correctly?Davidbpearson (talk) 20:28, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi David, if you wanted to link that, you would write



which would result in this 

If you wanted to give it a title, such as "Lorem Ipsum", you would write this Lorem Ipsum which would result in this

Lorem Ipsum If you wanted to use it as a reference, you should check through Template:Cite web and use those guidelines. Please also note that when linking to Wikipedia pages within Wikipedia, you should use four square brackets ( Lorem ipsum, resulting in Lorem ipsum) rather than a full URL. Thanks, Jjamesryan (talk) 07:08, 12 November 2015 (UTC)