Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 November 13

= November 13 =

Referencing errors on Bill Hartack
Reference help requested.

Thanks, 108.38.51.73 (talk) 00:29, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

If I have erred in changing the Bill Hartack page, please be specific about how I can do it better. Thanks.
 * The link in your section heading shows the problem: An empty  was inserted at the start of the page. This can happen if you accidentally click a link below or above the edit box during editing. I have fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:48, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

How to create push-pin-map location
How do I add Olema, CA, USA as a push-pin-map location for the infobox on Sir and Star? I already added CA and USA. Just need to know where to add data for Olema. Where does Lua pull that info from? Lua reports a big red error if I try Olema or any nearby towns.

The coordinates are:
 * latitude = 38.040744
 * longitude = 122.787743

Ping me back. Cheers! 00:37, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * if you want to put a pushpin map for Olema, then you need to create it, it currently doesn't exist. All available locmaps are listed here. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 08:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * , I guess I assumed the pushpin_map parameter in the infobox hotel or restaurant template would place the pushpin via the existing California map. Cheers!  08:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * , Turns out I had the longitude wrong. Once I put a minus sign in front of it like this:
 * latitude = 38.040744
 * longitude = -122.787743
 * The pushpin popped right on to the California map in the right place. Sir and Star uses template:infobox restaurant for the pushpin map. The map won't show up at all if the parent template of template:infobox hotel is used instead. See below too. Cheers!  04:07, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Another pushpin map Gremlin
and Edgars2007:

On Little River Inn the coordinates are correct but the pushpin maps are not rendering in template:infobox hotel. There is a template called but it does not offer an embedded/embed or module/child parameter. Please ping me back. Cheers! 04:07, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * the correct parameter at Infobox hotel is map_type. Fixed -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 06:30, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Jobbik (political movement)
Your website claims that Jobbik is "far-right." This is illogical as they have repeatedly condemned capitalism, which in its nature is "far-right." If you can provide the information that Jobbik is either a capitalistic movement, or is misrepresenting their position, please feel free to send it to me. If you are unable to do so, I will assume that most of the website is bogus if wikipedia cannot get something that simple correct. I can only imagine what else is patently false on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:190:301:1FCA:1A3:85B7:2848:1225 (talk) 06:00, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia goes by what reputable published sources have said. It tends to disregard what subjects of articles say about themselves, as less reliable. The Jobbik article has ample references (including all those currently numbered 22-29) showing that Jobbik is regarded as "fascist", "neo-Nazi", etc. And no-one here cares what you imagine. Maproom (talk) 09:11, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The infobox says "Far-right". Blue text is a link. Click it to see discussion of the meaning which isn't just "capitalism". PrimeHunter (talk) 12:50, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed the article on Far-right politics does not even mention "capitalism." But it does identify far-right with nationalist—which Jobbik certainly is. —teb728 t c 02:04, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

TFA
Do other Wikipedias all have a exhibit of their FAs like ENWP? Are their interval all 24 hours? (as in are there "weekly articles")—Eat me, I'm an azuki (talk · contribs · email) 08:05, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that every Wikipedia does that. Most probably not all, especially the small ones, which probably doesn't have their FA equivalent. And those who exhibit, most probably not changing every 24 h. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 08:22, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia language editions vary in many respects and some are very small with few features. The Danish Wikipedia (my native language) has a weekly article on the main page, and it doesn't need featured article status. There is also a daily article but that is a daily Scandinavian article in another language. The Scandinavian languages are very similar. Some Wikipedias don't have a concept of featured articles. Some Wikipedias have a static main page, maybe only very small Wikipedias. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Mobile operating system
Fix reference 5 and Reference 76. --Galaxy Kid (talk) 13:15, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, sir, Galaxy Kid, sir! Dismas |(talk) 13:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

cannot find an item that I read yesterday
Yesterday, I read the complete diary of Mary Spring Rice on gunrunning trip on board Ascard in 1914. Today, no matter I try I cannot find the item. I can find many refs. to the diaries but I cannot find them. How do I use Wikipedia to relocate this item ?. Many thanks, Michael Martin14:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.59.158 (talk)
 * Wikipedia does not have diaries, so if you did read it somewhere on Wikipedia yesterday, and cannot find it today, it is likely because the content was removed as inappropriate content for an encyclopedia.
 * You might want to check out Wikisource  where it is possible that diary would be appropriate. Link to Wikisource home page  --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:16, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Babe Ruth
Just wondering why on the BABE RUTH site  there is no mention to his parents? That I could see in that very long baseball history that starts when he is 7. As a Genealogist I am interested in his family lineage. found his death cert for your convenience. Thank you for adding this to his "history"

Name 	George Herman Ruth Event Type 	Death Event Date 	16 Aug 1948 Event Place 	Manhattan, New York, New York, United States Address 	110 Riverside Drive Residence Place 	New York, New York, New York Gender 	Male Age 	53 Marital Status 	Married Race 	White Occupation 	retired baseball player Birth Date 	07 Feb 1895 Birthplace 	Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland Burial Date 	19 Aug 1948 Cemetery 	Gate of Heaven Cemetery Father's Name 	George H. Ruth Father's Birthplace 	Maryland Mother's Name 	Katherine Schamberger Mother's Birthplace 	Maryland Spouse's Name 	Claire Citing this Record

"New York, New York City Municipal Deaths, 1795-1949," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WYC-X4W : accessed 13 November 2015), George Herman Ruth, 16 Aug 1948; citing Death, Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, New York Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 2,134,508.

GreettaylorGreertaylor (talk) 14:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Greertaylor - The Babe Ruth section describes his early life in some detail - his birth, his parents, his siblings etc. although it does admit "Many aspects of Ruth's childhood are undetermined, including the date of his parents' marriage." We can only include information that has already been published in reliable sources and given the fame of the man, I am sure the biographers will have tried every avenue. If you think there is information we have not covered, then please suggest what, and where it is cited, on the article's talk page Talk:Babe Ruth which has quite extensive archives, which may already covered additional information you want adding. Arjayay (talk) 15:19, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Preventing an edit war
For a BLP article. Are half-brothers and/or half-sisters considered "siblings"? Buster Seven   Talk  15:34, 13 November 2015 (UTC) I do not know of a specific guideline, but one recent dispute was the inclusion of half-brothers/sisters and sister/brother-in-law in the relatives section of the infobox at Kendall Jenner There were numerous names in this earlier version - until it was agreed that they would all be removed. - Arjayay (talk) 16:39, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * See Sibling.  General Ization   Talk
 * Thanks General. I appreciate the lead. I guess I should have asked "What is Wikipedia's stance on half-siblings (if it has one}? Buster Seven   Talk  15:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * To be pedantic, Sibling (without an s on the end of the section name) is the working link to the section concerned. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:03, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Could you please explain what you mean by "Wikipedia's stance" - where, and in which article, are you wanting to use, or remove, half-brothers and/or half-sisters?
 * The article is Darrelle Revis. The "embryonic" editor wants to add halfs which have not been verified. So, its not really an issue there. But it raised the "who is a sibling and who isn't a sibling" question in my mind....for other future articles that I might create or edit. It's a slippery slope and I wondered if any editors had seen some discussion on the topic. Buster Seven   Talk  19:02, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The Kendall Jenner is a good example for a situation where every fact of lineage and heredity is established and verified and agreed to by all the parties. But what about when parenthood is ambiguous or denied by one of the parents (usually the father)? Do we allow it in an article? Just curious. Buster Seven   Talk  19:08, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It is probably not appropriate to cover contested/alleged children of a parent in the article of the recognized child. WP:UNDUE / WP:COATRACK . Unless the recognized child who is the subject of the article has specifically engaged in the discussion of their alleged siblings in a notable manner, over a significant period of time as covered by the reliable sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Example: Lee and Pat are married and have a child, Lou. Chris alleges an affair with Pat and that Chris' child Stevie is a result of that affair, which is denied by Pat. The articles about Pat and Chris may cover the alleged paternity of Stevie, if reliable sources cover the allegation. The articles of Lee and Lou should generally not cover the allegations about Chris and Stevie. The article about Stevie should not proclaim Lou as a sibling, although with sources, it would be proper to say Pat is the alleged parent. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:34, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

jerry jacoby
your story about jerry jacobys custom cigarette is incorrect don aronow would not let jerry build the boat the boat was design and built by bart quartin get your facts correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BD69:DE60:A00B:B5BB:36D:E9CA (talk) 15:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * If you have a reliable published source, you are welcome to improve the article. (Actually, the article Jerry Jacoby could do with a lot of improving.) Like probably 99.9% of those who read this page, I had never heard of Jerry Jacoby so they're not my facts. --ColinFine (talk) 23:45, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

The format of an article went crazy
I made some edits and adds to a Wikipedia page and the entire format of the page Suzy Welch was affected. I am trying to see if I can revert to the initial format then simply re-apply source links and edits.

Is this possible? 16:47, 13 November 2015 (UTC)16:47, 13 November 2015 (UTC)Mariew12 (talk) 16:47, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 16:54, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Redirecting Niqqud versions of every Hebrew letter to the article about the letter
Hi, I did this as an example; redirecting heth with niqqud to the article heth. I request all the Hebrew letters with niqqud versions to redirect to the article about that specific letter. The reason for this request is this, let's say somebody visited the article Uzziah and saw the original version of the name in Hebrew with niqqud. He wanted to learn the letters which makes the word Uzziah by copying and pasting those letters in the search box, so he pasted Ayin with kubutz. And the result is nothing.-- İskender  Balas 💬 18:11, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest bringing this up on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism, since grabbing all of the possible combinations of Hebrew letters, niqqud, cantellation marks and dagesh would get rather large.Naraht (talk) 19:57, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The talk above was copied to the page Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism. If the talk here should be removed, I leave it to somebody else who knows these technical matters better. -- İskender  Balas 💬 21:04, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I've seen considerably useful requests left on this page. I'd leave it. I just suggested somewhere where the average editor actually knows what a kubutz is. :)Naraht (talk) 21:43, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Can't work out what's wrong with my page
Hello

Hopefully you can see my page below?

Cathy

https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Gideon_Bensen&action=submit

Cathyoates (talk) 20:45, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This is Wikipedia. For help with Wiktionary, please start here.
 * "Your" page was deleted at Wiktionary because "Gideon Bensen" is not an appropriate entry for a dictionary.  General Ization  Talk   20:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Allison Hedge Coke
Reference help requested.

Thanks. How do I fix the broken reference link noted?

Thanks, QualityCtrl (talk) 21:30, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It appears that Bgwhite fixed it.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  04:07, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Paris bombings/shootings
Does anyone know if there is an article for the bombings and shootings in Paris that killed 18 people less than an hour ago? I looked it up, but I don't even see anything in List of terrorist incidents in France. epic genius (talk) 21:58, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I found this article: November 2015 Paris attacks. It is currently being worked on as I type. --Stabila711 (talk) 22:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! epic genius (talk) 22:03, 13 November 2015 (UTC)