Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 November 18

= November 18 =

Wealthy Affiliate
Hello,

I'd like to write an article on Wealthy Affiliate. I notices that previous articles with links to WA had spam problems. Is it okay to write an article, and how can I avoid the spam and links issues?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PEDIAgr8r! (talk • contribs) 03:52, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Wealthy Affiliate articles: previous articles about WA were marked as spam or with bad links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam/LinkReports/wealthyaffiliate.com

Is is possible to write about Wealthy Affiliate and how can bad/spam links be avoided?

ThanksPEDIAgr8r! (talk) 04:01, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * How about avoiding inclusion of any links to wealthyaffiliate.com? Such links would be of no value in establishing the notability of the subject anyway. —teb728 t c 05:25, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I see that you are a new editor, with no previous contributions to Wikipedia. If your purpose is to promote Wealthy Affiliate, a Wikipedia article will not help. Articles here must be based on independent sources. It seems that these almost all describe WA as a pyramid-marketing scam, so any article would have to reflect this. Maproom (talk) 11:42, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Sojourner Truth
Bluepenciltime (talk) 05:57, 18 November 2015 (UTC)In adding a source, the citation has included the entire section of material that followed it. I've attempted to correct it, but am unable to.
 * The problem is that someone put a in the Further Reading section which is after the References section; so the reference is not available at that point. —teb728 t c 09:48, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I think I've fixed what you were trying to do. You don't have to use a, not with . See Help:Referencing for beginners and WP:NAMEDREFS for further information. Deor (talk) 09:53, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

"disambiguous"
greetings: I'm not quite sure I understand something that appears whenever I'm looking at search results. what does the term "disambiguous" mean in this context and how does it relate to my results ?

that's it ; take however much time you need.

sincerely, dbg

2602:30A:2E05:27C0:CCE0:8C1A:4260:AC57 (talk) 06:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you mean when you see something like "A380 (disambiguation)" in the results? If a term might refer to multiple topics (the airplane and a ship, in this case), the result is ambiguous, and the disambiguation page is there to let you select which of the possible topics is the one you want.  Given the number of topics covered by Wikipedia, and the considerable overlap in terminology in the real world, disambiguation is a major effort here.  You can read more about that here:  Disambiguation.  Rwessel (talk) 06:38, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Alex Gilbert Article
So the following article was covered in a Deletion Review and the result was 'No consensus' and not to resubmit until the article has been improved (see Deletion_review Here is the article Draft:Alex Gilbert. I can't submit it for review as it will just get deleted as it has before, this was before it was improved or when anyone even looked clearly at the sources. It was also reviewed in the past and was approved, moved to the main space and then deleted as it had to go through Deletion Review. The article is about NZ Adoptee Alex Gilbert, who has since established a Non-Profit Organisation 'I'm Adopted' (facebook.com/imadoptedOrg). This itself was covered in a lot of Russian Media. I have noted these references in the article and I have also described these below. I am having trouble and editors are just not clearly looking at the sources/references. People think its a BLP1E, which NO the sources cover his Book and his Non-Profit Organisation. I have decided to list these in detail below. This article clearly covers basic notability. If someone can put this below into a Deletion Review or help me, I am happy to talk!

References that cover his 'I'm Adopted' Organisation
 * Анатомия дня TV Show NTV Russia Retrieved 29 October 2015. Source covers his Non-Profit Organisation 'I'm Adopted' and talks about him helping others.
 * Retrieved 22 August 2015. Whangarei boy who traced Russian roots helps fellow Kiwi adoptees find bloodlines (TVNZ) - This source also talks about 'I'm Adopted'
 * Retrieved August 7, 2015. Russian adoptee shares stories The Northern Advocate - This source is only about his 'I'm Adopted' page and mentions A former Russian adoptee raised in Whangarei is helping other adopted people share their stories. This is not a BLP1E am I correct?
 * Retrieved 4 November 2015. Adoption project enthrals Russians The Northern Advocate - This article talks about what impact his page has had with the Russian Media. I have also added these news outlet links to the article. This is due to his 'I'm Adopted' page.
 * Retrieved 29 October 2015. In social networks, a new unusual community. Children of Russia, adopted by foreigners looking for their biological parents Translated from Russian. NTV Russia - This source is from a huge Russian Media outlet about his I'm Adopted Organisation. Read the article or watch the video.

Other References
 * Retrieved February 26, 2015. From Russia with love The Northern Advocate  - This article is about his Book 'My Russian Side' that he published in 2014. It reads Now 22, Alex, has written a book about his journey.
 * Retrieved 23 February 2015. TVNZ - This is his actual Full Length NZ TV Documentary Story which aired in NZ and yes at the time was an issue where BLP1E was talked about in the previous deletions. New Sources have since been found and updated. ALOT MORE
 * Retrieved July 2, 2014. The New Zealand Herald - This article covers a meet up Alex Gilbert had with another New Zealander he found through his TV Documentary.
 * Retrieved 16 November 2015. Change One Life Russia - This article is an excellent interview with Alex Gilbert about his own story and journey.
 * Retrieved 5 June 2015. - TV3 NZ - This TV Show features Alex who talks to other adoptees who are going through the same journey as he went through.

References in Russian Language If you can't understand them then don't comment. People have been ignoring these. These are put up as a support to the article. It shows you how much coverage it had.
 * Retrieved 21 October 2015. yarcom.ru - This article talks about his experience and journey.
 * Retrieved 21 October 2015 New Zealander Alex Gilbert found his mother in the Rybinsk, threw him in the hospital . echo76 - New Russian article talking also about his life and journey to Russia.
 * Retrieved 21 October 2015. New Zealander found in Rybinsk own mother - 76.ru - This article notes if translated Now the young man helps the other people who find themselves in a similar situation, to find their loved ones.
 * Retrieved 21 October 2015. progorod76.ru- The guy from New Zealand found in the Yaroslavl region his own mother
 * Retrieved 21 October 2015. http://rweek.ru/ - This article talks about his journey and experience also
 * Retrieved 21 October 2015. yarnews.net - New Zealander Alex Gilbert found his mother in the Rybinsk
 * Retrieved 21 October 2015. vesti.ru - This source is from Vesti News. One of the largest TV News outlets in Russia - Russia-24
 * Retrieved 22 October 2015. http://bsvesti.ru/ - This is another alternative news source
 * Retrieved 1 November 2015 yar.kp.ru - Another news source in Russia
 * Retrieved 22 October 2015. http://rybinskcity.ru/ - A news source from Rybinsk City, Russia
 * Retrieved 16 November 2015. - sguschenka.com - A reliable source talking to Alex directly about his experience and journey.
 * Retrieved 21 October 2015. http://1news.uz/ - Another Russian News Source

Thank You for your time- Dmitry --DmitryPopovRU (talk) 08:02, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You've had your day in court and lost the final appeal—pretty much unanimously. Forum shopping will not help. —teb728 t c 09:24, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually,, as I read the DRV, it was 4-3 to endorse deletion, with several experienced editors thinking that it should be moved to mainspace and relisted at AfD. And it is perfectly in order to ask for help in improving a draft, even a draft which has been previously deleted.
 * filing another DRV now would be a mistake. Significant additional sources would need to be found first, in my view. I would also advise waiting at least 2 months to see if continuing coverage can be demonstrated. Then work with an experienced editor, if possible, to improve the draft before attempting a re-submission. DES (talk) 13:52, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank You for your help DES. I have actually added more references since the last DRV. I will keep improving. !--DmitryPopovRU (talk) 18:13, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

refernce have been added
Hello Prashant kanojia is page on wikipedia created recently have all information along with reference kindly remove the deletation tag — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanojiaakhbaar (talk • contribs) 10:48, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to say that the Prashant Kanojia article does not indicate why he is important or significant enough for an article in an encyclopedia like Wikipedia. Most students and interns are not that important. —teb728 t c 11:12, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Detachment 88
Reference help requested.

I am sorry, i messed with citation. Can anybody help? and make this page as it was before.?

Thanks, Sykonos (talk) 12:46, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ You need to make sure in future,, that each opening  tag is matched with a closing   tag. I also added metadata to one citation. DES (talk) 13:42, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Help with Kinder Surprise correction
Hi there, I'm looking for help with a quick correction in the Kinder Surprise article that I'm not able to make myself, as I'm working on behalf of Ferrero SpA via Glover Park Group and have a financial conflict of interest. There's currently an erroneous mention of different product—Kinder Joy—in the first line of the introduction. The article opens: "Kinder Surprise, also known as a Kinder Egg or Kinder Joy..." Kinder Joy is a totally separate (albeit also egg-shaped) item and not another name that Kinder Surprise is known by (I've explained more on the Talk page with some links to sources, in case that's helpful). I'm hoping someone from here wouldn't mind making an edit to remove this mention, as a quick change that will remove the current confusion over these two products. Thanks so much in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 15:42, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I've removed the mention though don't have time to edit based on the second half of your request. Therefore, I left the request open for now. Dismas |(talk) 15:57, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * And though Wikipedia does have an article de:Kinder Joy on German WP and a subsection about "Kinder Merendero\Joy" on Italian Wikipedia, they are unreferenced in both cases. Better to start with the sources Rhiannon provided on the talk page, linked above. ---Sluzzelin talk  16:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks to both of you! The main request I had was for the removal of the mention of Kinder Joy from the intro, so I consider my request closed. If either of you do have any further thoughts about a separate Kinder Joy page, though, I'd love to hear. Of course, I'll be doing some research to see if there are enough sources to meet WP:GNG before I take any steps to create an article. Thanks so much again, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 16:39, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Journal of Heritage Tourism
Dear editors: There's a draft article Draft:Roots tourism which could be used to expand Genealogy tourism, which is poorly sourced and could use information about Africa. However, the text is very polished, and its creator is the author of one of the references, HERE. Before merging in any content, I'd like to check to make sure there aren't copyright problems. Does anyone have access to this journal? I'm not willing to pay $40 to look at the article.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 16:28, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * , I would suggest also asking at WikiProject Resource Exchange which is designed for exactly this kind of situation. DES (talk) 17:33, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, I knew there was a spot somewhere, but couldn't remember what it was called.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 20:00, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Articles for Creation Tendentious Resubmission
I am asking this question here rather than in any of the AFC spaces because they all appear to be specialized. I may have asked this before. I would like the opinion of other experienced editors, especially Articles for Creation reviewers. Occasionally a draft is resubmitted multiple times by its editor without significantly addressing the comments of the reviewers. What is a good rule of thumb about when the resubmission becomes tendentious editing, and about which of two actions should be taken? The two actions are to nominate the draft for Miscellany for deletion and to template the author for disruptive editing or caution the editor without a template. On the one hand, we have to be careful not to bite new editors, but some enthusiastic inexperienced editors don't listen to advice. There are at least two different situations. One is where the draft is resubmitted two or three times in one or two days, sometimes with no changes at all. The other is where the draft is resubmitted four or more times over a period of a week to a month, with only minor improvements. How patient should the reviewers be before either nominating the draft for deletion, templating the editor, or cautioning the editor without a template? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:31, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

I will note that the decline messages do advise the author either to go to the Teahouse or to post to the reviewer's talk page. In the latter case, I always reply at the Teahouse. I am not asking about those cases, where the editor actually does want advice. I am asking about editors who don't ask for help and just keep on cluelessly. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:31, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I think this is sort of case-by-case. Multiple submissions in one day with no improvement usually indicates someone who doesn't know how Wikipedia works.  From what I recall, those sorts of users tend to give up when they realize that the text they want won't be accepted.  The long-term resubmitter is more problematic.  If they are being totally uncommunicative, then...if they submit around four or five times with little to no positive change, and no reason to suspect any change, then that is when I personally would consider a deletion discussion.  Howicus (Did I mess up?) 18:51, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I just nominated a draft for deletion via MFD because the submitter was indeffed for using Wikipedia for promotion. That is a special case.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:37, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Occasionally it appears that a submitter is trying to game the system in the hopes of getting an easier reviewer to get their article through. They may not realize that, if an article gets past AFC that isn't ready for article space, it will still be new page patrolled, and that Articles for Deletion is a more contentious process than AFC.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:46, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Subject Content
I was trying to understand what strobe music was and my search got me the name of song on some groups album. Does Wikipedia staff try to edit content matter? This stuff could come from other websites. Any thoughts? 66.87.131.134 (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * There are no Wikipedia staff - we're all volunteers. I think you're asking for an article on "strobe music"? Do you mean the company Strobe Music, or a term for a kind of music?
 * Anybody could write an article (including you) - provided there are enough reliable sources about the subject to ground an article (and if it's about a company, these sources need to be by people who have no connection with the company). Any article should summarise what the sources say: it may not contain original research, argumentation, comparisons or conclusions that aren't explicitly in a source. --ColinFine (talk) 00:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Bloeme Evers-Emden
Hello. I found this image on the (Dutch) Jewish Community website. It was taken more than 50 years ago and was provided by Mrs. Evers-Emden's private collection. Can I upload it to Commons? Yoninah (talk) 22:39, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't see any copyright statement on that site, so the answer is almost certainly No. Only if the picture is demonstrably in the public domain, or explicitly licensed under a Creative Commons licence, could it be uploaded to Commons. --ColinFine (talk) 00:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)