Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 November 26

= November 26 =

== Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input.:Verification recent inserts(11/25/2015) can be obtained by contacting RAFAEL,HAIFA,ISRAEL as well as requesting source of iris photos  used by John Daugman in his original algorithm ==

Please see above in "SUBJECT/headline for SOURCES. Daugman algorithm could NOT and WAS not written without MULTIPLE IRIS PHOTOS supplied by L.Flom which was never attributed to Flom by Daugman and important to iris history


 * This is a content dispute about the article Iris recognition. An unsourced addition by the original poster was reverted.  Discuss on the article talk page, Talk: Iris recognition.  If discussion does not resolve the content dispute, read the dispute resolution policy.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

The gallery of personalities from the article Romanians
There is an on-going debate about the (re)inclusion of the gallery of personalities in the article Romanians. An editor affirmed that a gallery would not help the reader and would not provide encyclopaedic content. My argument was that almost all articles about ethnic groups have such galleries, so this article should also respect the practice.

Please explain me how Other_stuff_exists policy applies in this case. Hahun (talk) 00:07, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Although "other stuff exists" is a commonly accepted essay, it's not a policy. Ignoring it won't get you blocked.  The easiest way to convince people is to make a persuasive argument.  Invoking precedent ("this is how other articles do it") will sometimes cause this essay to be quoted back at you.  Maybe you could convince the holdouts if you used a different argument, such as pointing out how the gallery would help readers.  If you can't find consensus, then you can make use of Wikipedia's dispute resolution, such as setting up a request for comments.  This will draw input from uninvolved editors. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:56, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This is presently being discussed. Bus stop (talk) 03:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.144.163.234 (talk) 3:42, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * You have not given us any information nor does your contribution history show that you have edited any other articles. Please give us some more information on what exactly you are talking about so we can assist. Thank you. --Stabila711 (talk) 04:03, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

What colors are used?
I am trying to change the color of a template in a category I am creating. I want to match the colors to those used in a different userbox template. Can someone tell me the color scheme of the second example (level 1) on Template:Userbox-level? Thank you in advance.  Ergo Sum  03:51, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * , as per the source, it is  for border and   for background.--  Fauzan ✆ talk ✉ mail  06:48, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The values are almost unreadable to me, posibly for other readers, too. Here they are with normal colors: #C0C8FF and #F0F8FF. --CiaPan (talk) 09:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that's exactly it.  Ergo Sum  02:56, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Article is Gone
I created an article for the Australian band Tonight Alive. They have a new album coming out this coming March. Long story short, I can't access it. Someone has changed the link, whether it be from searching with Wiki or from a search engine, so that it redirects to the band's profile page. I also uploaded a file, the album's cover artwork. But now it's in jeopardy of being deleted because the article is gone. I don't think it's been deleted because the article still appears when you google search it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Platypus1375 (talk • contribs) 05:16, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The article is still there: Tonight Alive. And has been around for several years, you did not create it. Were you talking about some other article? Rmhermen (talk) 05:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think is referring to Limitless (Tonight Alive album).  The article is still there (and you can see the former contents by clicking on "History"), but was reduced to a redirect by  for notability reasons.  See WP:NALBUM for the requirements.  As to visibility on Google, Google caches pages, and often lags some time behind the current versions of pages.  Wikipedia has no control over what Google displays.  Rwessel (talk) 07:07, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Want knowledge about work
Dear sir I am new user and I want to know that what work I can do here and how? Please help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunyadav88 (talk • contribs) 05:57, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome!, I've left a message for you at your talk page (User talk:Arunyadav88). If you want to start right away, why not play the The Wikipedia adventure? Lastly, remember to sign your posts on talk and discussion pages by typing . --  Fauzan ✆ talk ✉ mail  06:42, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello ! I suggest you take the Wikipedia Adventure to learn about editing Wikipedia and get a feel for things. Then either take off on your own or find a mentor or come back here with more specific identification of where your interests and skills are for some more direction. There is always lots to do! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  18:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Assistance in creating a wiki page for my late dad-Mr Ayo Pratt from Nigeria
Dear Editor, Please can you assist me with how to create a wiki page for my late dad?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myblessedhand (talk • contribs) 09:16, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * My sympathy on your loss, but if you are wanting to create a memorial page for him, I am sorry to say that Wikipedia does not contain that sort of thing. We do have encyclopedic biographies about people who have received significant coverage in published reliable sources like newspapers, magazines, and books. An article needs to be based almost exclusively on such sources; you couldn’t base it on your personal knowledge of him.
 * If that doesn’t deter you, please read Conflict of interest and Your first article. —teb728 t c 10:49, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Providing a link to a newly created page?
Morning all.

How do you provide a diff to a newly created page? Usually this is a talk page. I can't see how to do so? Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:24, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you mean something like this?
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miniskirt&diff=prev&oldid=692523909
 * Just go to the article's history and find appropriate diff. Then you can either right-click the 'diff' link and use 'copy URL' from a pop-up menu, or you can open the diff view in your browser and copy the address bar contents. --CiaPan (talk) 09:32, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I mean a diff to a newly created page.
 * A 'diff' is a difference report between two (often consecutive) versions of the page. A newly created page has no previous version, so there's no 'diff'. What do you want to compare it to? --CiaPan (talk) 10:22, 26 November 2015 (UTC) PS. Use four tildes ( ~ ) to sign your comments. CiaPan (talk)
 * Example - way back in 2009, DRilnoth welcomed me to Wikipedia on my talkpage. How can I provide a link to that edit.  Here is a diff to the edit after it, but how could I link to the actual diff that created the page?
 * Links to newly created pages are often necessary when reporting a disruptive user for example - you'll need to link to a warning template on their talk page - but I've never figured out how to do the page creation link. Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:58, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The best is such link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chaheel_Riens&oldid=274442947 (or in short: Special:Permalink/274442947). Got that link after pressing timestamp in page history (17:28, 2 March 2009‎). -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 10:17, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It often annoys me that page creations have no diff link to a blank page. I once added a trick to the last paragraph of Complete diff and link guide: Make a diff to a blank revision of another page. Here it becomes https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chaheel_Riens&oldid=44&diff=274442947. But it's complicated to make the diff, and having an old unrelated page as the "before version" is confusing. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Where/ How to post ideas
Where is a place I can get a community opinion on a new idea?

I understand this is not a new question, but I simply cannot find where to find the answer. I've been to the help desk the reference desk the village pump proposals the village pump idea lab but they're all very confusing and I can't even discover how to post a new topic. Honestly I have solved multivariate calculus problems that were easier than this. Maybe I'm missing something.

Thanks in advance, Jeff.hykin (talk) 14:21, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * If you go to the Village Pump Proposals page, WP:VPR, you should see a tab at the top entitled "New Section". Click on that, add a title, and type your text into the box below.  Sign with four tildes.  All very similar to what you did on this page.  I hope that helps.  Rojomoke (talk) 14:40, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * You described your proposal at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_November_26, and deleted it again a minute later, perhaps realising that it was the wrong place. You haven't described it anywhere else. I think that this would be a reasonable place to discuss it. But Rojomoke is right, the Village Pump would be better. Maproom (talk) 14:42, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Simple English Wikipedia could be the answer to this. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 14:44, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Updates and Corrections Sought
To Whom It May Concern:

I am seeking to correct several mistakes on my Wikipedia page and add a couple of important updates. The page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Velez-Mitchell

Update: I would like to add that I am the founder and editor of JaneUnChained, a multi-platform social media news outlet producing original video content on animal rights, environmentalism and the plant-based/cruelty-free lifestyle. I launched JaneUnChained in November of 2014, immediately after my HLN show wrapped. Please update this! Thank you!

Citations: JaneUnChained.com Facebook.com/JaneVelezMitchell 194,000 followers http://worldanimalnews.com -partner https://onmogul.com/users/jane-velez-mitchell Twitter: @JVM 186,000 followers Instagram: jvm We also just partnered with Epic Times, where my video content will appear beginning in December of 2015.

Corrections: I was born in 1955 which makes me 60 and I am 5 foot 4 inches tall. My mother, Anita Velez-Mitchell, passed away in July of 2015. I now in Los Angeles and live with my partner Donna Dennison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AriadneNedicks (talk • contribs) 16:05, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * We are always happy to make corrections where Reliable sources are cited, but your own facebook page and websites are hardly that. Also, please note that the article is a page about you, not your page.  You did the right thing by asking here instead of editing the article yourself, but can you point us to independent articles published elsewhere to confirm the facts?    D b f i r s   19:48, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not too hard to find sources to validate this stuff. There's a lot of coverage on Google News.  I added a bit about JaneUnchained and found a source for her age.  I added the page to my watchlist, so I'll see any requests that get posted to the talk page.  That's the easiest and fastest way to get it updated. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:26, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Template fix needed
Maltese language contains Template:Harvtxt looking like this:

Żammit (2000) found that 40%...

Ignore that the link goes to the article itself rather than directly to the citation. My point is, the right paranthesis is not in the link, but instead as normal text. This must be a bug in the template, but I don't know how to fix it. Could anyone do it for me, or show me how it should be done? J I P &#124; Talk 19:23, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed.


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 19:48, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks! The fix seems to work. I clicked on "view differences" so I know how the fix was done. J I P  &#124; Talk 20:03, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Your change places a page number or other location outside the parentheses:
 * I think this is against the style rules for Harvard references. See for example http://libweb.anglia.ac.uk/referencing/harvard.htm. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:06, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, true. The fix then needs to be in Module:Footnotes at the function core which is used by  and several other harv templates.  I haven't the time to do anything about it today but will attend to it tomorrow unless someone else beats me to it.  I've reverted my change.
 * Yep, true. The fix then needs to be in Module:Footnotes at the function core which is used by  and several other harv templates.  I haven't the time to do anything about it today but will attend to it tomorrow unless someone else beats me to it.  I've reverted my change.


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Now fixed. I've also fixed :
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:20, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. A conditional parameter name could also have been used: . PrimeHunter (talk) 14:02, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:20, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. A conditional parameter name could also have been used: . PrimeHunter (talk) 14:02, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:20, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. A conditional parameter name could also have been used: . PrimeHunter (talk) 14:02, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you! The fix seems to work. I'm curious, how exactly does this  thingy work? What is the syntax?  J I P  &#124; Talk 14:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * See WP:IF, or mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions for more details. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:12, 27 November 2015 (UTC)