Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 November 5

= November 5 =

Help with Gwen Stefani "Used to Love You" page
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Above is link of page I am having an issue with.

I have repeatedly tried, both logged in and out, to add necessary information about the song that is missing (also giving sources), but it has been repeatedly removed. Could someone assist?

Here is what I am trying to edit on the page:

Under list of songwriters, the songwriter Teal Douville is missing from the list.

To verify this claim here is a link to the official song info from Warner Chappell Publishing: http://www.warnerchappell.com/song-details/WW010528486000

As you can see, Teal Douville is listed as a writer on the song.

Help!

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.48.178.50 (talk) 02:41, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The place to start with content disputes is on the talk page of the article in question. Given that the talk page for that article doesn't even exist, this avenue hasn't been gone down. Please take the discussion there with the editors who removed the info. For more on this process, see WP:BRD.  Dismas |(talk) 04:04, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Automated archiving of Wikipedia namespace page
Graphics Lab/Map workshop has become too large and although archives were previously made, I think it has now ceased. The archive histories would appear to show it was done manually as it was not by a bot. Ideally I would like topics marked with resolved or stale to only be archived, as some very old topics are still being worked on. I appreciate any help or a point in the right direction.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  05:05, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * (and others) have been archiving this manually, on a somewhat irregular basis, since January 2014. Perhaps they can chime in as to the reason.  The bot's (User:DyceBot) page still appears to list archiving of this page as one of its functions, perhaps its owner,  can take a look as well.  If they don't see this, asking on their respective talk pages would be a good first step.  OTOH, I don't see why you couldn't just do a manually archiving pass now, assuming Philg88 can't do it at the moment..  Rwessel (talk) 06:25, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping . I do sporadically try and tidy up the page and will try to spend more time on it. AFAIK a bot can't archive the page because of the complexity of the date analysis required. Unfortunately, many requesters do not mark their entries as resolved and there are many things that prima facie appear "stale" but actually aren't. Note that there is also a convention that resolved requests are left for a month before archiving. As I say, I will try and keep a closer eye on things. Philg88 ♦talk 07:39, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Phil, I can help manually archive when I see topics that have been clearly resolved for over a month.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  19:30, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Moving an essay to "Wikipedia:"
I want to move User:George Ho/Ignore all rules? to "Wikipedia:" namespace. But I don't know whether the essay title is accurate. Move it anyway, or are there other suggestions? --George Ho (talk) 05:54, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I would suggest rename it when you move it, since the "User:George Ho" part would be dropped off, leaving just "Ignore all rules", and of course that page already exists. Come up with a new name for the essay, then you could potentially move it to Wikipedia-space and list it under the essays section on the main IAR page. RegistryKey(RegEdit) 13:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Image captions
Is centering the caption preferred? Should a period be used if the caption is NOT a sentence? TY. Buster Seven   Talk  07:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:CAP gives the guidelines for captions. As WP:CAPFRAG on that page explains, no period should be used if a caption is not a sentence. With regard to centering, that's not preferred, and I've seldom seen it in normal thumbnail images, though some forms of image galleries have centered captions as the default. Deor (talk) 10:21, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Can I cite a book's introduction for what the book says?
I know that I cannot cite a book as a reference to what that book says – reading and understanding the book would qualify as original research. But can I cite the introduction of the book? specifically, of a later edition of the book?

The case I have in mind is the The Mayor of Casterbridge, where it says "The book implies that Lucette ... and Henchard have a sexual relationship". To me, the book clearly implies it; but other readers may be less familiar with the circumlocutions used by late-Victorian English writers. I find that the introduction of the 1978 Penguin edition, written by Martin Seymour-Smith, confirms it. Can I cite this introduction? Maproom (talk) 12:15, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You could cite the introduction (which i presume is to a particular edition) as if it were a critical article about the book, . Be sure that you include the name of the author of the introduction, and the exact bibliographic data for the edition you are citing.
 * It is not correct that you "cannot cite a book as a reference to what that book says". One may indeed cite a book for what it says. Citing it for what it implies, even if the implication is quite clear to most readers, is different and may well be OR. To use a different work of fiction as an example, one could write about The Lord of the Rings "Gandalf says that no one can safely take the Ring to wield it for good purposes." with a cite to Book II, Chapter 2 "The Council of Elrond". That is a more or less direct quote, which any reader can verify. One cannot, however say "Tolkien treats the Ring as addictive." with a cite to the book itself. Tolkein never explicitly says this, although several critics, notably Tom Shippey, have said so. One must in such a case cite one or more of the critics. I suspect the sexual relationship between Lucette and Henchard is in the latter category, but I don't recall the details well enough to be sure. Or to take another instance, one might write of the Nero Wolfe series "The books imply that Archie and Lily Rowan have a sexual relationship." I (personally) think the implication is quite clear, if one is familiar with the circumlocutions used by mid-twentieth century American writers. However, the author never directly says this, so I would think a secondary source would be needed for such a statement. DES (talk) 13:21, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I misread the signature, and I wrote the above to some extent as if you were a rather less experienced editor. Had I realized that it was you, i wouldn't have included "Be sure that you include the name of the author of the introduction, and the exact bibliographic data for the edition you are citing." You know that sort of thing perfectly well. My apologies. DES (talk) 16:32, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. I don't know as much as I'd like about giving references – for instance how, in this case, to cause Seymour-Smith's name to appear as a link, so that readers can see that he's a reputable critic. Anyway, thank you for your very clear and informative paragraphs of explanation. Maproom (talk) 16:49, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If you cite Seymour-Smith as the author, you could do something like  or perhaps even better   The second form uses the chapter= parameter to identify the specific part of the book Seymour-Smith is being credited with, but in either case the author-link parameter gives the name of a Wikipedia article about the author, if one exists. DES (talk) 17:27, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

edit picture
Sorry I would like to use the same picture of the italian page (witch is more recent) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudio_Costamagna even for the english version but I don't know how :( Thanks for the support — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefanoo1900 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The picture used in the Italian article is in Commons, so can be used in any language's Wikipedia. Just change the file name in the English article to File:Claudiocostamagna.jpg.  --David Biddulph (talk) 15:43, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Hilton Head Prep issues with vandalism on page.
We are seeing an uptick in students changing, deleting and vandalizing the Hilton Head Prep wikipedia page. Hilton Head Preparatory School The issue is that many edits are coming from students hot spots, mifi's or cell phones. We do not want to block wikipedia from our computers as this will not solve the issue. Additionally we feel that wikipedia is a tool that can be utilized in education but with the uptick of inappropriate or unnecessary edits we are reaching out for a solution. Is it possible to have our page locked even if for a short time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhtechguy (talk • contribs) 16:47, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * We hare at Wikipedia are very reluctant to fully protect (aka "lock down" ) articles except in quite unusual circumstances. I see less than a dozen instances of vandalism on Hilton Head Preparatory School since July of last year, hardly a torrent. Mosat were reverted quite promptly, although in one case the reverting editor only removed part of the vandalism (I have fixed this), and in another the reverting editor also removed what seems to have been long-standing valid content. We could apply "semi-protection", which means that a page can be modified only by users who are logged in and whose accounts have been confirmed (any account is automatically confirmed if it is at least 4 days old and has made at least 10 edits or posts). However I see several of the valid edits and vandalism reverrts come from users who are not logged in, and this would block such edits also. WE vcould try Pending changes protection, which holds edits from unconfirmed or non-logged-in users until they are approved. This can have problems if not many users with the "Reviewer" right watch the page, as legitimate edits may be long delayed. Anyone may request protection at Requests for Protection, but it is not always granted. Or you may respond here, and I or another admin may choose to act on your request. DES (talk) 17:57, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

1941 ford
Gentlemen, on your Wikipedia page for 1941 Ford car , the photo is WRONG, the photo is of a 1946 Ford car. Again the top photo shows a 1946 Ford, it should be a 1941 Ford as the article is about 1941 Ford cars. Mr. Robert Gouveia @redacted@ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.184.50 (talk) 17:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I assume this is about the article 1941 Ford. The picture at the top is captioned "1946 Ford coupe". Maybe the title of the article is misleading - the second sentence of the article explains "The 1941 design would continue in an aborted 1942 model year and would be restarted in 1946 and produced until the more modern 1949 Fords were ready." So the article is really about all Ford cars produced from 1941 until 1949. Maproom (talk) 17:31, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I would agree about that article title. And although I am not one, some of us are ladies. — Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:35, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Ni no Kuni: Dominion of the Dark Djinn
On the main page under DYK it states "... that Ni no Kuni: Dominion of the Dark Djinn was shipped on a 4-gigabit game card, in order to fit the orchestral music?"

There's no mention of this claim at all in the article - not the history, nor even the talk page. Where would such a claim have come from? Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:15, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The claim is made in the article whose title Music of Ni no Kuni is linked to in boldface in the DYK. Maproom (talk) 17:34, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. I assumed the orchestral music link was indeed orchestral music.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:45, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

What to do if account is compromised?
In light of this discussion at the Bureaucrats' noticeboard and this RfC on password security, I started to wonder what garden-variety editors are supposed to do if their account is hacked. I even did a quick search of WP:Help, etc. and didn't seem to find the answer. So what are users supposed to do if they're account gets hacked and they lose control of it? Who are they to contact?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:44, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If they set up email address on their account they can recover their account. What if hacker changes email address? I don't know -  Supdiop  ( T 🔹 C )  17:59, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * For an additional safeguard, see Wikipedia Signpost/2007-05-14/Committed identity.   D b f i r s   21:48, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * But who do you contact to recover the account in either case? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:44, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Replace image on Wikipedia
How can I replace an image of someone on Wikipedia with a better one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gburkhar (talk • contribs) 19:01, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The best way depends. If the image you wish to use is not already on WP then upload it to WC via the Upload Wizard. We can then tell you how to simply replace the image in the article. Also, informing us of  the article you wish to work on would also help.--Aspro (talk) 20:23, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If you are uploading an image to Commons, you need to make sure that it is appropriate from a copyright standpoint. Is it a photo you took yourself? If not, where did it come from? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:31, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * But note that if you want to upload an image that is not already there, the image must be licensed appropriately. If it's a photo you took yourself, you can do that as you upload it; but if it's an image you found somewhere on the internet, its copyright is almost certainly incompatible with Wikimedia, in which case you may not upload it. --ColinFine (talk) 20:33, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

2016 NFL Season
When will the 2016 NFL season Article be out I Hope Next Month. 68.102.61.195 (talk) 19:59, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 2016 NFL season currently redirects to Super Bowl LI because there's not enough information at this point in time to create an article about the season itself. The NFL hasn't even released the schedule, and won't until April of 2016.  So I would venture to say it'll stay a redirect at least until then. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:35, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

But you know the article is created in years past in December So that next year's Regular Season Schedule will start on September 8, 2016 in the Super Bowl 50 Champions Home And The Regular season will end on January 1, 2017 68.102.61.195 (talk) 00:22, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


 * What "you know" is not acceptable for Wikipedia articles. Everything should be cited to a reliable published source. If those dates have been published somewhere reliable (not just somebody's speculation) then they can go in. But if they are all that is known, there should not be an article on the subject until more information is published. ==ColinFine (talk) 01:20, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

That means we have to wait 5 Months for this information About next NFL season but it might be sooner. 68.102.61.195 (talk) 01:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * We can't do anything about that. If the information will not exist for 5 more months, Wikipedia can't invent that information out of thin air for our article!  It has to exist first!  There's nothing we can do about this.  If you want the NFL to change how soon it starts to publish information about upcoming seasons, contact them.  We can't do anything until the NFL or other reliable sources puts out the information we need to add to the article.  It's not our problem... -- Jayron 32 15:29, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, I've created a hatnote for the Super Bowl LI article. We get questions of this nature frequently, and hopefully the hatnote will explain why the redirect exists for now, as it could be a source of the confusion.  -- Jayron 32 15:35, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Removal of materials
Hi, according to the Wikipedia law you cannot remove a huge part of an article. Otherwise your edit will be reverted. I want to actually how much can you remove?Arman ad60 (talk) 21:53, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * It all depends on your reason for removing material. In your case, the reason seems to be that you are going to replace the material removed with an improved version, which is a laudable aim.  It would be less controversial if you added the improvements as you removed the old section, then other editors will not get the impression that you are just removing material that you don't like.  In particular, you should not remove referenced material until you can replace it with better-referenced facts.    D b f i r s   22:03, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the "new" material seems to be WP:copyvio, and the net result, reducing the size of the article by 80%, far too drastic. Johnbod (talk) 16:32, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

How to add particular detail to wiktionary article.
On the 'unterhalten' wiktionary page, it asks for an English translation of an example given in German... I want to put it on there, but am not sure precisely where to put it within the editing box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.212.128 (talk) 22:04, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * This is the Help Desk for Wikipedia, which is a separate project from Wiktionary. I suggest you look in Wikt:Help:How to edit a page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:14, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The usual method is to place the translation on a separate line under the German quotation, in normal font, preceded by  #*::  to indent. See this entry for examples.   D b f i r s   22:28, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Child Support Law's
Attorney Ben I have a some questions about a child support case that my son is involved in, 1. how do you calculate an income for a mother that is on welfare and for a young man in college with no income but is made to pay 290.00 a month.68.169.133.107 (talk) 22:50, 5 November 2015 (UTC) 2. How can the grandmother whom is standing in for the daughter was able to make a decision to keep the child's name in the great grandmother's maiden name and take our son's last name?


 * That sounds rather like a request for legal advice which we cannot give, but perhaps someone can link to some regulations in the state of Tennessee (USA).   D b f i r s   23:25, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  02:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)