Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 October 17

= October 17 =

What is a Supressor?
Looking at Special:Statistics, there is a user group called "Supressor", although it is empty at the moment. Is there a "Supressor" user right and what does that right entail? There is no explanitory link on the page as with the other groups. RudolfRed (talk) 00:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * They are also called Oversighters. See WP:OS Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 00:49, 17 October 2015 (UTC) fail
 * According to MediaWiki's Special:ListGroupRights it has to do with Extension:Flow. Not quite sure what that actually means since I haven't read what that extension does yet but I thought I would post what I have found. It is not the same thing as oversight.  Oversighters have a lot more permissions than Supressors. --Stabila711 (talk) 00:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies. RudolfRed (talk) 00:58, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , I found more information on it and I thought I would post it for future reference., the group is not fully active. yet as the flow extension is still under construction.  So no real need to remove it.  According to the main flow page Flow is a project of the Collaboration team at the Wikimedia Foundation to build a modern discussion and collaboration system for Wikimedia projects. Flow provides features that are present on most modern websites, but which are not possible to implement in wikitext. For example, Flow automatically signs posts, threads replies, and permits per-topic notifications.  Suppressors will be able to moderate flow posts the same way admins and oversighters can revdel something now.  The only difference is suppressors will only be able to do that.  They do not have the ability to view suppressed flow posts. --Stabila711 (talk) 01:06, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Correction: Flow has been taken out of construction and will no longer be worked on according to the flow page. --Stabila711 (talk) 01:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Special:Statistics had a red link to Suppress so I have made a small page there. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:44, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Multiple image template
Can someone with more knowledge on template coding make the pictures of Stepinac and the Cathedral on Croats roughly the same size? --Steverci (talk) 06:35, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. To resize photos with the multiple image template you have to specific the height and width of each photo and the total width of the entire thing. You can see what I did for future reference [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croats&type=revision&diff=686134358&oldid=685975337 here] --Stabila711 (talk) 06:44, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Steverci (talk) 06:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Question about a new account.
I have a question about my account. I edited Wikipedia for about five/six years up until I took a break circa 2010. My previous account, User:Karrmann, I used throughout that time when I was a teenager in middle school and high school. Now that I have returned to Wikipedia after my absence as an adult I created this new account because I don't want to be associated with that old account. That old account was in good standing. I was never blocked or banned, or ever had any conflicts or issues with admins. I just don't want to be associated with the edits and stuff I made ten years ago when I was 14, kind of like when people take five year old drunk pictures off of their Facebook accounts. However I want to do this without violating WP:SOCK, I'm trying to do this all above board. Can you help me? Reattacollector (talk) 09:58, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi . You are entitled to a clean start by abandoning your old account and creating a new one (as you have already done). This is not a violation of WP:SOCK, given that you no longer use your old account and the new one was not created for the purpose of ban evasion. You do realize, however, that by posting the message above you have associated yourself with your old account? Should anyone find this message, they will know you are the same person as user Karrmann. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 10:13, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Given the dates, I think people would be fine with this. However, if you want to make sure, you can put a note like "I was previously known as User:Karrmann" on your user page. In general, people are happy with disclosed ownership of multiple accounts so long as you don't try to use them both in the same discussion. --ais523 10:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that user Karrmann has edited recently. You may not use that and your current account at the same time. A clean start means completely abandoning the use of the old account. You can, and are encouraged, however to notify others that the old account is no longer in use by placing Retired on its userpage. You can do this logged as the old user, but after that, the account should no longer be used. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 10:21, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I just created this account 20 mins ago. I am not, nor do I have any intention to use these accounts simultaneously. It was be beginning to edit as Karrmann again that made me decide I wanted to leave that account behind and start a new one. Reattacollector (talk) 10:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm not completely opposed to the old editors I used to collaborate with knowing I'm the same person. I just decided I don't want to be dragging around the baggage (edit history, talk page archives, etc) of an account I used in 2007 when I was 15. Reattacollector (talk) 10:34, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * If you want to display barnstars the old account received then you are practically declaring an official continuation of the account and should link it on the new user page. If you want a clean start then drop the old barnstars and don't edit anything controversial the old account has edited since you started reusing it this week. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:12, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Reattacollector (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Question about viewing article contributors
Simple query -- is there a bot that would allow me to view the contributors for a specific article, ranked by quantity of each editor's contributions? Plumpy Humperdinkle (talk) 13:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * How do you measure quantity? Click "Revision history statistics" at top of the page history to rank by number of edits, assuming your interface language is English. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Plumpy Humperdinkle (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

3 questions
What do I type on meta:User:Rubbish computer/EditCounterGlobalOptIn.js to opt in to this? I have also apparently made 1 edit on dewiki, which I do not recall. I would also like to turn off Visualeditor for myself globally. Thanks, --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 12:25, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Any random text will do. The page just needs to exist. I can't see that you've made any edits to dewiki, where did you get that information? - NQ-Alt (talk) 16:32, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I think it says I did here. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 16:36, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Strange. Special:CentralAuth/Rubbish computer shows 0 edits to de.wiki. - NQ-Alt (talk) 16:39, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, the page de:Braun Strowman was imported from en.wiki and the page history has been copied over. Not sure how the process works. NQ-Alt (talk) 16:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. I've got the global edit counter now. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 16:54, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * @NQ-Alt (NQ), Rubbish computer: policy in de.wiki is to import the version history of translated articles. All original contributors will then apear in the history of the translated article. I don’t know much about the actual process, but see also Help:Import. Rgds ✦  hugarheimur 22:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks! --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 00:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Fictional
Hi, I just have one quick question. I am doing videos with my son, just for fun, not for money, and for this particular video, we are finding a treasure. I wanted to appear in the video looking up in the internet the story of a "real in the video", but really fictional captain Daniel and I was thinking about writing in Wikipedia about it and then film myself finding the article. Can I do that or is there other pages that I can use for this purpose. I am being totally honest. I just need to create this character for the video. Thank you.

Osvaldo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.115.96.82 (talk) 15:50, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Please don't create an inaccurate article about a fictional character as if it were real just so you can be filmed looking it up. Instead, use some real article, or create a fake page on a site of your own, possibly taking a real article and modifying it. DES (talk) 16:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

"Loose Change" Article
Wikipedia's lengthy article, "Loose Change", does a disservice to the credibility of your otherwise fine publication. "Loose Change" is rubbish. The article should be thoroughly edited to eliminate all the unsubstantiated claims presented as credible. That would greatly reduce it's length - perhaps by as much as +95 percent - and put your readers at ease: the article as currently published is a political statement implying a Republican conspiracy. The article violates a Wiki rule: "...content must be verifiable". The "Loose Change" creators confirm that the content is deliberately inaccurate. Loose, "Loose Change". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:2406:4829:4D2:70EE:F06D:C557 (talk) 17:13, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The great thing about a Wiki is that YOU can fix it! No need to complain or wait for someone else. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:59, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Presumably the concern is about Loose Change (film series). Discuss your concerns on the article talk page, Talk: Loose Change (film series).  However, on reading the article, I disagree with the OP's assessment that the article presents unsubstantiated claims as credible.  The article states that the film series provides conspiracy theories about the September 11 attacks.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:45, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Requested moves
How can we know how many "Requested moves" have been ever discussed for an article? I know that we can know it by checking all the talk page topics for the article, I'm asking for a faster way! Thanks Mhhossein (talk) 18:12, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Assuming the move request was formed correctly they should all have "Requested move" in the header. So type the following into the search box  .  That should search all archives associated with the talk page as well. --Stabila711 (talk) 20:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Stabila711. Mhhossein (talk) 04:19, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Image display question
There's probably an obvious answer I'm missing here. I just added an image to the left side of Pollock-Krasner House and Study Center using this markup:. Curiously, it seems like no matter where in the article text I move the image, it still displays down there by the external links. I even tried loading visual editor to try to drag/drop it elsewhere to no avail. Also checked another browser just in case it was some CSS weirdness. I'm curious to know why it's doing this (even more so than I want to fix it). :) Thanks &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 19:21, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems to have something to do with the infobox. The image doesn't render until just after the box and when the box is removed it renders in the correct place instead.  Strange.  I have no idea why that is doing that. --Stabila711 (talk) 20:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed with Stack begin.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pollock-Krasner_House_and_Study_Center&diff=686221222&oldid=686213079] PrimeHunter (talk) 20:22, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Very nice. That's definitely a new one. From what I could tell from removing various parts of the infobox, it just wouldn't let the left image display above the bottom of the infobox. I've looked at Stack beign but I'm still not sure of the technical reason that works (and what CSS elements/properties it adjusts)? &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 20:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert on the subject. I just know to use the template in situations like this. Note that the problem occurs when there are multiple elements to the right. If Image:Pollock-house.jpg had been removed from the right then the image on the left could have been displayed next to the infobox without using Stack begin and Stack end. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Best way to cite different parts of the same video?
Hello. I am writing an article and one of the best sources is a seven minute long video in which a journalist explains several different things that I want to cite in several different sections of the article. What's the best way to cite different parts of the same video? Is there a template that gets me something like [3](at 2:30) and [3](at 4:45)? The altertives that I know of are either don't include the time (it's a seven minute video, so that seems workable but not great), or use a different Template:Cite AV media instance for each time (which also seems workable but not great).

Thanks in advance, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 20:45, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * See Citing sources for a similar situation with page numbers. You could use sfn with the  parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:12, 17 October 2015 (UTC)