Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 October 18

= October 18 =

Page Title Change
How can I edit the punctuation of a page title? Specifically the "Michelle Key" page. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbarcellos89 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I moved Michelle key to Michelle Key. -- GB fan 00:21, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I assume this is what was wanted, although key versus Key is called capitalization. Punctuation is about commas, periods, and some other characters. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * To answer the original question though, the page would need to be WP:MOVEd. Dismas |(talk) 03:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Question on Reference Desk repeatedly deleted.
Over the last year or so I have occasionally asked a question in Reference Desk Languages or Math pages. Particularly in Languages the service is pretty darn good. Good helpful answers were posted sometimes within half an hour.

However a question I posted yesterday (German abbreviation Sct) disappeared. I thought it must be a computer glitch, so I posted it again. That disappeared too. I posted a third time and that went as well. So it seems it is being removed intentionally.

Why? Is there a problem with the question?

Is someone being a vandal? If so, can he/she be counselled or stopped? 1.122.34.124 (talk) 02:08, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Because you are evading your block. Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 02:20, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Cherry Patch Ranch
Does the content about Lamar Odom belong in Cherry Patch Ranch (now called Dennis Hof's Love Ranch), or should it be removed? I'm not sure if the place is even notable, but my concern is if something scandalous happens to a celebrity at a particular place - such as hotel or a place like this - is it appropriate to include information about it in the place's article just because the incident happened there? What if this had happened at a big-name hotel or restaurant or other place? Would we include it in that places's article? Thoughts?

A separate issue is that if this place is indeed notable, shouldn't it be moved to its new name since it's much more prominent than the old name, and the new name has been in place for several years?

Czoal (talk) 02:47, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I've moved the article to Dennis Hof's Love Ranch. Normally, notability is not inherited, meaning that a celebrity scandal that happened to occur there doesn't make the place notable. But in this case, the sources cited in the article suggest that the place may be notable independent of that incident. If there are multiple reliable sources providing significant coverage of a business, that satisfies the criteria for inclusion in WP:CORP. But I'd say the case for notability can be made, but it's weak. ~Amatulić (talk) 04:33, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for moving it. And, yes, I agree that the subject's notability is hanging on by a thread. In any case, my primary concern is actually about whether the Odom content should be included. Any thoughts on that? Czoal (talk) 05:19, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it falls into the category of trivia. The article would not suffer from its removal. ~Amatulić (talk) 06:24, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a great point about it essentially being trivia. I removed the content. Thanks. Czoal (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Update: The editor who originally added the Odom content to the article has reverted my removal of it, with this edit summary: "Extremely heavily reported. Major news events at locations are suitable for those location articles." I think it's inappropriate. If the incident happened at the White House, would we include it in the article for The White House? If it happened at Madison Square Garden, would we include it in the article for Madison Square Garden? Czoal (talk) 21:58, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as hoaxes
This category has been stuck a 2 for days, even though there are no pages tagged as a hox. What's wrong?--Bbb23 (talk) 04:45, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That is odd. On the main category page (Category:Speedy deletion) it lists the current pages under hoaxes as 1P, 2F.  The 1 page is accounted for.  I am assuming the 2F stands for 2 files so it must be something in the File namespace that is triggering it.  I just don't know why it is not displaying those files in the category listings. The same thing is happening with Category:Candidates for speedy deletion for unspecified reason.  It is showing 1F on the main category page but no listings. --Stabila711 (talk) 05:38, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This seems like a much larger issue and is probably worth a bug report. I would file one myself but I don't know how to do that.  The File namespace is not being allocated to categories correctly.  This can be seen multiple times on the speedy deletion page.  Even a category marked for deletion as empty (Category:Wooldridge Monuments images) says it contains 10 files and even warns that it doesn't appear empty even though it is.  I am going to copy and paste this thread over to VPT and request a bug report be filed. --Stabila711 (talk) 05:59, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Now discussed at Village pump (technical) PrimeHunter (talk) 12:10, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Curly or straight brackets
What do three or more curly or straight brackets do in wikimarkup?—Eat me, I'm an azuki (talk · contribs · email) 08:52, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Three or more brackets don't do anything special that I am aware of. Although brackets in multiples of two (four, six, ect.) will produce a link surrounded by brackets.  [[Example A]].  Odd numbered brackets do nothing. [Example B]. Multiple sets of curly braces can signify nested templates. For example, Test will produce Test --Stabila711 (talk) 09:00, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


 * (ec)Hi Eat me, I'm an azuki - Curly brackets are used for transclusions, straight brackets are for links. Three or more are either nesting multiple links/transclusions or simply an error. Do you have a specific example to show us? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:06, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Template:Infobox Israel municipality just as an example.—Eat me, I'm an azuki (talk · contribs · email) 09:39, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I only see doubles there, no triples. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:44, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Triple curly brackets are used in template definitions to refer to the parameters passed to the template. See Help:Template. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:08, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, double curly brackets  is either transclusion or magic words and parser fucntions, while triple curly brackets   is template parameters. More than three is nesting of double or triple cases (or an error). It's very common for ending brackets and can make template code difficult to read when there are many. A single curly bracket   has no meaning in syntax and is just displayed as text. Three straight brackets   has no meaning. Double straight brackets   are not usually nested except in file descriptions where four straight ending brackets can occur with a wikilink at the end of the file decription  . PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Edit count
I have noticed that recently in User contributions/Edit count here the table heading for "Articles" is no longer in English but some Oriental language (Chinese?). This must be a mistake or glitch. Cheers. Grahamboat (talk) 18:28, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Does the same for me too. That is, looking up my account vs. yours. Dismas |(talk) 19:29, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like Korean. I noticed it a long time ago and I don't think it's ever showed anything else for me. Cannolis (talk) 19:37, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


 * It is Korean – Google translates it as General documents. It use to be titled Article(s) but I can’t say how long ago because I don’t go there that often. Grahamboat (talk) 20:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a known issue. See Village pump (technical)/Archive 138. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:00, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


 * OK – just curious – I can live with it. Cheers. Grahamboat (talk) 21:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Curid
What is the smallest value x for which curid does not generate a "Bad title" message? GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 18:32, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10. The page history starts 21 January 2001‎. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:44, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Berney baronets
Please help me get the "citations" correct in this article - they all look fine to me. What can we do and can you please see if you can help? cheers Srbernadette (talk) 21:36, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem, as I tried to explain at Talk:Berney baronets is that several of the citations go to search results rather than documents. If the db being searched changes its contents (as is likely) there is no guarantee that those particular searches will return the same results. Instead, we must cite and link to the actual documents. A problem here is that the search points to documents behind a paywall, and will not give the exact url without registration. DES (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * These would also seem to be primary source documentation and not third party sources which we prefer. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:21, 18 October 2015 (UTC)