Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 October 19

= October 19 =

What is a reputable source
my page is 100% factual, based on a rising artist.

i'm not sure what a verifiable source means.. as you can clearly go to them and see they pertain to the individual discussed.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lux44-musicpages (talk • contribs) 05:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse!
 * we dont cover artists as they are "risiing" we wait until they have risen to the point that they and their works have been covered in a significant manner by sources not related to them that have a reputation for subject matter expertise, accuracy, fact checking and editorial oversight. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  06:07, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * This isn't the Teahouse. Welcome to the Help Desk. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

they've been on american idol, the x factor, have had 2 record deals, 2 albums, as well as worked with huge producers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lux44-musicpages (talk • contribs) 06:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * we only care if reliable sources have cared to cover her - got any of that? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  06:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * You should sign your comments by adding  at the end - ~


 * Please see WP:V for what verifiability means here and WP:REFB for how to put references into the article. Right now the article on Harley Huke, which I assume this question is in reference to, does not cite any references except a YouTube link. That is the main problem with the article right now.  Dismas |(talk) 12:48, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Please read WP:UPANDCOMING. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  15:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Also kindly see WP:BAND for information on what the inclusion criteria is Tiggerjay (talk) 16:04, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * And to explain a bit more in words,, the point is that a successful Wikipedia article is based almost 100% on what people unconnected with the subject have published about them. Wikipedia has hardly any interest in what somebody says about themselves, or what their friends, relatives, or associates say about them; or even in what they have done, unless and until somebody unconnected with them writes about it. Does that make things clearer? --ColinFine (talk) 17:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Nightlink
I was looking up Nightlink on your Website, and I had a Nightlink to add to your page, I had a look at how to add the new Information, but I could not find out how or where. Nightlink is a Volunteer Service at Night time when people can become vulnerable and scared or disorientated, so they have a number they can call and be able to speak to someone at any time of the night. It is similar to all the other organisations, but from there website, it is mainly in Cornwall. There is probably more information but I have not found any at the moment, but I thought you may like to add this small addition to your page if you think it worthy of a space. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.119.101 (talk) 07:54, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The only article we have under a similar title is NightLink, but it's about an Australian bus service. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:57, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Seems like the above is kind of a new article proposal, and the subject is described for example here:
 * http://nightlink.co.uk/
 * http://www.cornwallmentalhealth.com/directory/organisations/show/100-nightlink
 * http://www.re-gain.org.uk/projects.htm
 * CiaPan (talk) 12:33, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * ... and has had coverage by the BBC at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-19341375 - David Biddulph (talk) 12:49, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ... and by Cornish Guardian: http://www.cornishguardian.co.uk/joy-hailed-pioneering-helpline-night-message/story-12772853-detail/story.html --CiaPan (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Created a request for this over at AFC. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:01, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The request placed here: Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies (found by Special:WhatLinksHere/Nightlink) ;-) --CiaPan (talk) 21:29, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Pending approval for review of article in Arabic
Hello, I have been waiting for nearly two months for a review to be processed. This is the link https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86_%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%B1%D9%8A&oldid=14907243&diff=cur

Can someone help me please?

I have tried the Arabic IRC channel but there is none coming on to help...so I spoke to the English channel and they suggested a open a help desk ticker..

Please help Thanks Aawsat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aawsat-editor (talk • contribs) 11:18, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The help desk for the Arabic Wikipedia is at this link. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:34, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Why isn't the title in Arabic?? Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 13:57, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It is in Arabic. It's سلمان_يوسف_الدوسري Maproom (talk) 14:24, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Now its in Arabic. The link op posted has %D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86_%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%81 instead of Arabic. Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 14:38, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The OP posted a url and that's how url's are encoded for non-Latin scripts. When you click the link, your browser will maybe display the url in Arabic but if you copy-paste the url from the address bar, you probably get exactly what the OP posted. Our software automatically converts wikilinks like سلمان يوسف الدوسري to encoded url's. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:33, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks - Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 15:44, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

So far so good?
Bill_Anagnos — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamied usa (talk • contribs) 13:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * in a word, no. While it looks pretty, we don't care so much about that. What matters is that the subject is covered in a significant manner by third party sources with a reputation for fact checking, accuracy and editorial oversight - (books, major newspapers, well respected trade magazines, academic peer reviewed journals etc.) Without demonstrating that third party coverage, nothing else matters.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  15:14, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No, not at all. You need to provide reliable sources not IMDB like sources. It will be deleted soon, so, copy the text. Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 15:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:ENT for more information on the inclusion criteria for what makes an entertainer notable enough for inclusion. Based on the information provided in the article, along with a quick Google search, Bill appears to fail these tests. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:51, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Astons Coaches
Can somebody please make a page for Astons Coaches, Worcester — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.46.139.60 (talk) 16:17, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * You can make a request yourself at Requested articles. Or you can create an account and write it yourself with the help of WP:AFC. Feel free to choose either option. After all, this is an encyclopedia written by volunteers, much like yourself, who saw a need and filled it. Dismas |(talk) 16:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * But anyone who tries to create the article will need to establish that the company is notable, in the strange sense in which that word is used in Wikipedia. If they can't do that, they will be wasting their time. Maproom (talk) 23:23, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

unreliability of your contents by random people
You have all this information about Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_things_you_may_not_know_about_Wikipedia

How about you should correct that, exactly random people CAN edit the information. Some are the people who have personal or national interests, and can use a totally non existing citation and you will post that information. I found so so many mistakes when it comes to science and history. You need to be careful allowing random people to post about each others country where they can demonstrate a form of national revenge, or antipathy to each other... be careful one day your site can be blow off too. Besides that Wiki is already treated as a cheap sources of unreliable information, but you are creating a huge blog to make people to get involved with fights and interestingly you are counting that some will support you... hmmmm... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.42.24.5 (talk) 16:41, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You suggest that someone "should correct that". Can you be more specific? You state that "random people CAN edit the information". I do not see anything in the essay that says otherwise.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  16:48, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * They might be referring to the section entitled, "You can't actually change anything in Wikipedia…" ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 21:38, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but that means they either didn't read it, or didn't understand it.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  20:33, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

The View (U.S. TV series)
Over the past few days, an editor added an enormous amount of content to The View (U.S. TV Series) regarding a comment made recently by one of the show's co-hosts, Raven-Symoné. In fact, the editor created an entire section devoted to the issue, titled "Refusal to hire people with black names". WP:UNDUE and WP:NPOV comes to mind. I don't plan on editing the article, but wanted to bring my concern here. Czoal (talk) 20:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Whether the section should be in the article is a content dispute. Read the dispute resolution policy.  Discuss on the talk page.  If that is inconclusive, follow one of the dispute resolution procedures, such as third opinion or Request for Comments.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but there's no current dispute in the article. The content is new. I'm just looking for thoughts here. Or if anyone wants to be bold and make edits. I don't have much interest in the subject. My concern is more general with regard to the weight and POV issues. Czoal (talk) 21:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If you just want to ask a question about article content, the talk page is still a good place to ask it. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:59, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just discovered that all this content was originally added to Raven-Symoné and then the same editor simply copied and pasted all of it into The View (U.S. TV Series). So now all that content is in both articles, in its entirety. Czoal (talk) 22:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This matter is probably better suited for a more specialized board, like WikiProject Television. Czoal (talk) 00:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood
Plesae check - ref number 9 - is it OK? ThanksSrbernadette (talk) 22:50, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Are you asking if it's a reliable source? Czoal (talk) 23:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * No, it was not OK. The reference is a book, not a website, so you should use cite book not cite web.  I have corrected that, and various of the parameters, for example the publisher parameter should contain the name of the publisher, not the various other things you included.  See . --86.169.51.102 (talk) 23:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Frances Lupton
Please help - I am trying to add on Olive Middleton - to the Lupton family page - but it is not working. It is near the end of the page. Srbernadette (talk) 23:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Srbernadette, if you are going to ask us to do another series of edits to a page that you are working on, please do us the curtesy of providing a link to the page in question as I have done in the title of this section. That makes it easier for us to get there.  Dismas |(talk) 23:47, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry - the page that I have failed to do the link on the word Olive Middleton is down the bottom on the page known as: '''Frances Lupton '''. I am sorry if I get confused. Please be patient. Thanks again, signing off from Srbernadette (talk) 00:02, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ You only had single square brackets around the link, where you needed double ones. Rojomoke (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2015 (UTC)