Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 October 29

= October 29 =

Referencing errors on Simon Cowell
Reference help requested.

How do I do a reference correctly? The bot is saying a reference I put is incorrect.

Thanks, Tar62800 15:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The bot message is dated 23 October. It was fixed 24 October in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simon_Cowell&diff=687230901&oldid=687136539]. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:22, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I use ProveIt to add sources.--5 albert square (talk) 00:36, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks guys, I was unable to figure it out myself when the bot message arrived in my talk page, I couldn't seem to figure out if anyone else had corrected it yet. Tar62800 15:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

The article on Martin lLuther is not a fair one since only those who think he was anti semetic have their say in it..
I WOULD WANT TO ADD Another VIEW .. AFTER ALL EVEN JEWISH ISRAEL ITSELF PUT MORE THAN JUST what LUTHER WROTE IN TO PRACTICE ON ITS WEST BANKS.. Are they rabid anti --Muslim's?

I Find no place where I can edit on the Martin Luther page and I'm a registered user..i will leave the other view alone. I just want to add a positive view.. WHAT DOES ONE HAVE TO DO TO EDIT Thatb would just give a opposing view to make the article fair get American civil liberty union involved or sue. I hope not — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junker's epitome (talk • contribs) 05:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * First, please stop SHOUTING. Typing in all caps is not going to get anyone to listen to you more. Second, Martin Luther is semi-protected so only autoconfirmed users can edit it.  If you want you can submit an edit request by clicking on the "View Source" button and then the "Submit edit request" button.  Please note that requests must be explicit (formatted in a please change X to Y format) and they must have reliable sources or they will be rejected. --Stabila711 (talk) 05:27, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * - articles should be balanced in that they should represent all views of the subject that are represented in reliable published sources. They do not necessarily have to be "fair", whatever that means. If it happens that all the reliable published sources have one view of a subject, and only fringe sites have another, then the other view should at most get a mention. I'm not saying that this is the case with the article Martin Luther - I haven't even looked at it. I'm just saying that your criterion of "fair" is not the appropriate test. --ColinFine (talk) 18:03, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It is hard to figure out exactly what the original poster is saying. However, first, I have requested that the page be unprotected, because it was protected five years ago.  Second, if this is a dispute over neutral point of view, that is a type of content dispute.  Read the dispute resolution policy, which will tell you to discuss on the article talk page.  Please be civil and concise in commenting on the article talk page, and do not digress into irrelevant material.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:21, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Article needs language help
Education for disabled people in China is a short article written in substandard English that needs to be fixed. However most of the sources are in Chinese so an editor who can read them is best able to fix the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:30, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've tagged the article as requiring copy-edit. As Dodger67 says, the improvements may need to be made by an editor who is fluent in both English and Chinese.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:40, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Articles and categories with the same name?
Is it right to have the article Hunyadi family belonging to the single category Category:Hunyadi family? 79.116.93.90 (talk) 09:29, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * There is nothing wrong with it. - Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 09:39, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

latlong with East-West, North-South coords
how to use template °N, °W with East-West, North-South expression, as such, 74.006393 W, 40.714172 N, as New York City.UY4Xe8VM5VYxaQQ (talk) 10:08, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Use the following. --Stabila711 (talk) 10:25, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I want keep the expression of 74.006393 W, 40.714172 N for New York City. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UY4Xe8VM5VYxaQQ (talk • contribs) 10:35, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That is not how the coord template works. The first parameter must be the N/S coordinate and the second must be the E/W. It does not allow for switching. Also, how are you planning on using this? The New York City article already has a coord template. The way it works is that it adds a link to the upper right hand corner of the article that links to a geolocater tool.  If you are looking to add GPS coordinates into the prose of an article this is not the correct template. --Stabila711 (talk) 10:41, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Originally, lat first long then, Jingdu first, Weidu then, thank ya. 1999 — Preceding unsigned comment added by UY4Xe8VM5VYxaQQ (talk • contribs) 08:59, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Magic button
We're looking for one. Please see the bottom of this. Many thanks if you can help. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:19, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * This is now in its own section: Wikipedia talk:Donated artwork. We're still discussing what it is exactly that we need, but I'd say we need is a button that allows a user to enter their own name, which then gets added in the text next to the button. &mdash; Sebastian 17:37, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

An article
Please any admin, see if https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ammar_Alwaeli/IPH claiming notability. I created it as User type because it's a test and After if you see it, I will create a new page as article type.--Ammar Alwaeli (talk) 10:48, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , you need to drop all the cites to wikia pages, all but one of the cites to your own web site, all refs to what are merely directory entries or the like (such as yelleb and yellopages.com), all links to forum threads, and see what is left. You need cites to independent reliable sources such as newspapers, magazines, or websites with a reputation for editorial oversight and attention to accuracy, that discuss the subject in some detail, say 3-4 paragraphs or more in a single source. That is how notability is established. Please read WP:CORP, Your First Article, and Wikipedia's Golden Rule.
 * Also, as this seems to be your business, you have a conflict of interest, so read that guideline also, and be careful in any editing.
 * There is no need to recreate this in the main article space, once it is approved, in can be moved there. When you think it is ready (it has quite a ways to go yet) place  at the top of the draft and it will be added to the list of drafts waiting for review. DES (talk) 15:40, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Help Require to change the title of the page as i do not have a move option in mz edit tab
Dear concerned,

I want to change the title of our institute's wiki page but i am unable to do so because i do not have a move button on my edit bar. Please let me know how i should go about it. Will be really thankful for zour kind help.

Thanks GESS Hiwi (talk) 11:12, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * pls see Requested moves -- Moxy (talk) 14:23, 29 October 2015 (UTC)



Username needs dealing with per WP:CORPNAME — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.145.136 (talk) 15:54, 29 October 2015‎ (UTC)


 * The user has already been given a username block. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If Hiwi is a name, then it is just fine. (For example if someone had Texaco Bob, it would similarly be OK.)Naraht (talk) 20:42, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * "Hiwi" is usually just the German informal term for "Hilfswilliger" ("willing to help" = assistant or intern). It's not a common German name ;). GermanJoe (talk) 20:52, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, so the equivalent would be "Texaco Intern", which I agree would be problematic.Naraht (talk) 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

BLP eyes at Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh
Hi, if any HD editors out there are familiar with BLPs and specifically with WP:BLPCRIME, I could use some experienced eyes at Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh, which has a large section about crimes he's accused of. I posted a request at the BLP noticeboard a couple of days ago, but nobody's biting. I'm concerned that the content may run afoul of our BLP guidelines. Thanks and sorry for the hassle. If it helps sweeten the deal, you might be amused to know that he's a religious leader in India who has been the star of two self-aggrandizing propaganda films, and in one of them he kicks an elephant's ass. "Based on true events!" Trailer here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:43, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Most of the section is about crimes committed or attempted against him. The sentence about "a criminal case filed against him" is supported by a reference. Maproom (talk) 07:34, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've removed the content until someone better equipped to deal with it can deal with it. There were accusations of forced castration, rape, and other unsavory business. We were devoting an inordinate amount of article space to accusations, and it seemed like WP:RECENTISM, which is why I was hoping to get help from BLP genii. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:47, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed?
Hi, my name is SireWonton. Why is my account not autoconfirmed? My account is more than two weeks old and I have made more than 10 edits; however, I'm not autoconfirmed yet. Can someone help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SireWonton (talk • contribs) 18:49, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * What makes you think that you're not autoconfirmed? --David Biddulph (talk) 19:02, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You appear to meet the criteria as auto-confirmed, however know that it is a pseudo-group and not a specific permission you would see listed or associated with your username. If you're encountering problems editing while logged in, please share those problems. Otherwise you should be all set. You can read a bit more about it over at WP:CONFIRM. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:56, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, why can't I deit semi-protected pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SireWonton (talk • contribs) 23:10, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

How to save Wikipedia pages as complete html
I periodically save some Wikipedia pages to my hard drive, to have a record of how before and after edits appeared, which helps me a lot to understand template coding, as well as other forms of structure in Wikipedia.

For the last few months, however, when I click to save as "web page complete," the result does not include most of the photo images that are in the article too. Instead, where the photos are located in the article, there is complex code, but no actual photo.

This has been going on only for two or three months now. Since I don't have the same problem when I save pages from other websites, I am assuming it is the result of some kind of Wikipedia code revision. I use the latest version of Firefox for my browser and have Windows 10 OS or Windows 7, on the computers I am using to access Wikipedia. I get the same "save as" result with both of those OSs.

Wondering if this will be a permanent situation in Wikipedia, or if some pending revision of your software will enable me to save Wiki pages as I did before -- as a web page complete?

Thank you, EditorASC (talk) 19:32, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * to get answers to questions such as this, go to WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:03, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * You might want to try clicking "Printable Version" on the left side navigation and then saving that copy. Altenately simply add  to the end of the URL. Saving a complete page this way works. Also depending on what you're doing, you might be interested in an XML export Help:Export. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:01, 31 October 2015 (UTC).


 * Thank you for that info. I tried the printable version and also tried adding that additional code to the URL, but in both cases, still get the same result (no photos).  Then, I tried to save as a PDF doc and that one does include the photos.  However, I still would like to be able to save as a complete html web page, as I had been able to do for many years.  But now, that no longer works.  I think I will try the Village Pump to see if anyone there knows why this has changed.  Thanks to all of your again, for taking the time to reply.EditorASC (talk) 00:07, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

WikEd symbol
There is a very small jpg symbol at the top of my preferences page. If I put my mouse pointer on it, it says "disable" or "enable," depending upon which mode it is in at the time.

I have not been able to find any information as to what that feature is for and/or what it does. Can someone explain to me what it does, after I click "enable?" EditorASC (talk) 19:40, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Your preferences page is Special:Preferences. Is that really where you see it? It's one of the few places I don't see it. If "wikEd" is enabled at Special:Preferences then many pages have the wikEd icon [[File:WikEd logo.png]] or [[File:WikEd disabled.png]] in the upper right corner. If you edit a page then you should see a big difference between the enabled and disabled state. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:57, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * You are correct; it shows up on 5 of my pages, but NOT on the Preferences page. I still cannot figure out what function it provides. At least, I don't notice any difference in my edits, when it is on or off.EditorASC (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * wikEd makes very obvious changes to the editing interface (see File:WikEd screenshot.png), so it apparently isn't working for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:07, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, thank you for taking time to help me. I can now see the differences in how an edit displays, though not sure how to make use of it in a more productive way. Hopefully, I can eventually figure it out by the old trial and error process. EditorASC (talk) 20:41, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Emmanuel Lewis Article
The Emmanuel Lewis article appears to have been defaced recently. The portion about his death seems to contain inaccurate statements about him being killed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.162.34.1 (talk) 19:43, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the edits (see Help:Reverting), so perhaps you could check again. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly people notice these things. Thanks. -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:48, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Sara Alpern
Need some help regarding Sara Alpern. I didn't think this would be a big deal at all, but I couldn't find anything that would make her notable so I went to the BLP/Noticeboard for opinions. I simply asked if she was notable. As you'll see, the editor who replied was very nice but suggested the discussion should be on the article's talk page instead, and he pinged the article's creator, who responded by saying "secondary sources are not required" and then immediately inserted an inappropriate direct link to a YouTube video into the article with this edit. I reverted it and posted a note on the article's talk page about the notability concern, but the article only has about 50 total edits and most of them are from the article's creator. I saw that the editor was indefinitely blocked in 2011 for BLP violations, but was unblocked a couple years ago. Anyway, I don't want to see any article improperly get deleted but I simply can't find anything that makes this person notable. And of course the article's creator cannot be unbiased with regard to her notability. I read all the relevant notability guidelines and even searched on my own to find sources that would prove she's notable. But not luck. So it would be great if anyone with an interst in bios can look at the article. Sennater (talk) 21:42, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately with Wikipedia's criteria, it is MUCH easier for a no talent F-list actor to qualify for an article than an interesting B-list academic. The works that Alpern has edited appear to be frequently referenced and i did find a review of one of her works so with a little more digging a claim to WP:AUTHOR or WP:PROF  might be made. Checking with Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Feminism might result with people who have better access to sources. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  22:14, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

problem with name/title Beverly Brodsky9/Sandbox
Hi My name is Beverly Brodsky

I noticed there was a problem with my page. Where it should just read my name, it actually says, "BeverlyBrodsky9/sandbox." I have provided the link below to this page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Beverlybrodsky9/sandbox

Could this please be corrected? Thank you for assistance.

Sincerely, Beverly Brodsky — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.92.230.217 (talk) 21:54, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * While there are problems with that page, it is not the name. The name indicates that it is not an article but a draft in progress. If it were in main article space it would immediately be deleted as inappropriate. Please see WP:RESUME and the requirements for a stand alone article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  22:04, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It was a copyright violation, as so many obvious résumés are, and so has been deleted.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:42, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Rollbacker right userbox
This userbox has a Verify in it, which, when clicked, takes you to a user rights page. Let's assume a user puts the userbox on his userpage and does in fact have the rollbacker right. Then the right is removed, but the user doesn't remove the userbox (AFG forgets to do so). In this situation, I click on Verify and it takes me to a different user who has the rollbacker right. Why?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:56, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Because the "Verify" button is a link to Special:ListUsers&username= the user name concerned +wikipedia&group=rollbacker&limit=1, and that produces a list, one item long, starting with the user concerned or the next user in alphabetical order. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:08, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming it keeps skipping users until the next user in alpha order that has the rollback right because there are many users in between.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:13, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * User wikipedia/rollback has only worked like that since January 2014 [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:User_wikipedia/rollback&diff=next&oldid=577575146] where it started using User rights. User wikipedia/Administrator does not work like that. It always displays the user rights of the given user and the verification must be done by the reader seeing whether the right is listed. I'm not sure which system is best but it seems a minor issue. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * For me, which system is best is easy: the admin system. Why would I want to see anyone other than the user I'm verifying? It may be a minor issue, but in this instance, the background of which I can't share, there was a reason why I stumbled on this.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:13, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Some readers don't know that they have to look for the user right after the username. They click "verify", see the name of the user, and may assume that was the verification. Seeing another name gives a strong hint that something is wrong. MediaWiki doesn't make it possible to say something like "X is not a rollbacker", or to display no name at all. For readers who do know to look for the user right, the admin system is certainly best. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:52, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The wonders of MediaWiki. If I recall correctly, if a non-admin has an admin user box, and you click on Verify, it shows you that user's name but the administrator right isn't there. Why wouldn't it be better for the rollback right to work the same? For me, and I'm not even the average user, clicking on Verify and going to another user didn't make me think something was wrong. It completely confused me.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:05, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a good place for this discussion is on Template talk:User rights? One thought I had was to remove the &group= flag in the URL, so it simply shows you all the rights that person has. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Adding Articles to your Collections
Hello,

I am wondering is there is any simple way to add an article to one of your collections. Currently, the only way I seem to be able to do it, is to navigate to Special Pages in the sidebar, than to Gather, then click on the collection, scroll to the bottom of the page and switch to mobile view, then scroll back to the top of the page, and search for the article, and then add it without actually being able to look at the article, but only see the title.

That it be this complicated seems absurd, but I cannot for the life of me find any other way to do it. Is there something obvious that I am overlooking?

If, rather unbelievably, this is the only way to do it, is there some official avenue through which I could request a feature (perhaps something similar to the ‘add to watch list’ button) to address this?

Thank you for your help,

Cheers, Ryan Martins RyanMartins (talk) 23:45, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I had never heard of collections or 'gather', but following your instructions I found that they exist. I then went to WP:Collections (useful tip - try putting WP: in front of a word to find out about something "behind the scenes" in Wikipedia) which led me to Gather, where you'll see that it's a new feature begin developed, but you can ask about it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:57, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * (ec) According to Mediawikiwiki:Extension:Gather/FAQ, this is a feature in development, and currently only enabled on EN mobile. Presumably if this goes well, it will be rolled out to other projects.  So no, there probably isn't anyway other that switching to the mobile view to actually use this at the moment.  Rwessel (talk) 23:58, 29 October 2015 (UTC)