Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 October 6

= October 6 =

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input: George Roger Hicks all over the internet
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.20.17 (talk) 1:00, October 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Convenience link: SAP HANA
 * The problem was that you added blank ref tags . However, I reverted the whole edit as I have no idea who George R. Hicks is and the addition of the words "email" and "password" makes me uneasy. --Stabila711 (talk) 01:11, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Please double-check my edits
I have just attempted to bring a new article, Antiquization, into compliance with the ARBCOM mandated WP:Naming conventions (Macedonia). I've edited the lead but might have missed something. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:45, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm impressed if you can make sense at all of those walls of text. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 10:48, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm glad it wasn't just me. The whole article needs to be rewritten so that the layman (who is after all our intended audience) can understand it.--ukexpat (talk) 15:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Well identity politics is usually a tangled mess, but this one makes a pot of spaghetti look orderly. I only edited the lead to bring a couple of sentences into line with the ARBCOM Macedonia naming issue, the rest of the article I'm declining to touch. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:09, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor awards and nominations
''hello there. I'm pretty new and I know this might sound like a stupid question but for the life of me I can't find the answer anywhere. On VisualEditor, How do I create the green and pink colors that accompany either nominated or won on an awards and nominations table? Thank you!''--Rainingtalent (talk) 07:20, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, in VisualEditor select the part of the table where you want to add the colored "Won" or "Nominated", erase whatever text is already there, click on the "Insert" dropdown menu and select "Template", search for "won" for the green "Won" or "nom" for the pink "Nominated", select the first choice then click "Add template", then, without adding anything to that menu, click "Insert". It will not show up properly in VisualEditor mode. But if you click on "Save page" then "Review your changes" you will get to a preview of your edits, it should display properly here if you followed this correctly, then save the page to finish. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 20:19, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Geolocate broken?
Is there an issue with Geolocate for IP addresses? At the moment there's only the one link which returns a "not found" error, and the [alternate] link has disappeared altogether. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Both versions work for me. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:22, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Please give an example (always give an example if possible, no matter what you report). IPv6 addresses have no "(Alternate)" link as shown by Special:Contributions/50.247.201.157 versus Special:Contributions/2601:5C5:8200:7550:21C:B3FF:FE7A:5E21, so I guess your case is an IPv6 address. The link in my example is which works for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:20, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Nah, it's not an IPV6 address. I know that they're not supported by Geolocate, as I asked that very question a few months ago, and got the same answer as above.  However, this time it's every regular IP address.  If I click on your example of Special:Contributions/50.247.201.157, it takes me to https://db-ip.com/$1 - which is a 404 not found.
 * In fact, for me, IPv6 addresses used to have the entire Geolocate section missing, but according to your example above, they also have a Geolocate link - although it also takes me to a 404 not found.
 * I'm accessing Wiki from very different locations and using Chrome in one instance, and Firefox in another but still seeing the same result, so it's not (I think) a session or cache issue. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:12, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * In my case the Geolocate link goes to http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/50.247.201.157, not to db-ip.com. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:20, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You must have selected en-gb or en-ca as language at Special:Preferences. They are often poorly supported in interface messages and not recommended – at least not by me but some British editors complained when I said that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Preferences-summary/en-gb&oldid=625071602] in the message displayed at top of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences?uselang=en-gb, so it was watered down to just say "you may miss some local customisations". In this case the problem happened yesterday in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon/en-gb&diff=684179597&oldid=564021427] when Mr. Stradivarius transcluded the normal English message without passing the parameter with the IP address. MediaWiki message parameters work a little differently from template parameters and I don't know whether the parameter can be passed in a normal way. I will look into it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:20, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The technicalities are beyond me, but whatever you did - it's fixed. Many thanks.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my bad. It probably needs to be made into a template, as was done in Template:Protected page text. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 22:14, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, I see the links are done this way already, with Template:Anontools. That's probably as much templating as is practical here, so I think you were right to just copy and paste the contents to the en-gb and en-ca messages. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 23:23, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Bolded pages turning regular on my Watchlist
When I load or refresh my Watchlist, the unvisited pages show up as bold only briefly, then they turn normal. This may have started happening after I added some Beta features from my preferences, but I'm not sure (in any case, removing the features again didn't fix the issue). I'm using Chromium 45.0.2454.101. LjL (talk) 13:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Is "Display pages on your watchlist that have changed since your last visit in bold" enabled at Special:Preferences? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:58, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it wasn't. I have no idea how it got disabled though, since I only touched the Beta features page, not the Gadgets. At any rate, re-enabling it solved it, thanks. LjL (talk) 14:00, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Odd. The MoreMenu gadget was not loading when I logged in today and I found it disabled in preferences. - NQ-Alt (talk) 17:08, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * FWIW, my watchlist does this as well. I figured that the CSS was being loaded in stages or something along those lines. It doesn't take long for the page to fully render, so it hasn't really bothered me. Dismas |(talk) 16:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Ditto. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:52, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Which seems bass ackwards. It would seem that bolding, if it is done, should be done only in response to the enabled option to "Display pages on your watchlist that have changed since your last visit in bold".  That option not enabled, should not bold anything at any time.  Watch lists did not used to do this bold-first-then-turn-off.


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Mine does this as well. I've learned to ignore it. Still should be fixed.Naraht (talk) 19:34, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This was discussed some time ago, several weeks at least, on VPT, with no clear cause and no fix provided. The solution seems to be "live with it and learn to ignore it." I have done so. DES (talk) 19:37, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

STiki
Where is the log of nonconstructive edits used by STiki users? I have STiki and can't find it anywhere. Thanks, --Rubbish computer 16:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Mistake in article "Timolol"
Hi,

The synthesis provided is wrong. The correct structure of Timolol includes a tertiary butylated nitrogen and the synthesis shows an iPr group instead of the tBu. Compare the structure provided top right in the article with the last steps of the synthesis.

Best, Balázs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.131.187.110 (talk) 17:57, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * What you say seems to me to be true, though I don't even know what "i-Pr" means. I see that reference 6 in the article uses "Bu-t", which must mean a tertiary butyl group. I believe I could edit the diagram, replacing "i-Pr" by Bu-t" throughout – would this be correct? Maproom (talk) 19:30, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, this question brings back nightmares of organic chemistry class but yes, if you can replace i-Pr with i-Br that would make it correct. For reference, i-Pr means Isopropyl. --Stabila711 (talk) 19:40, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That'll be easier. I'll replace all  "i-Pr" by "i-Br". Maproom (talk) 19:48, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hold up. My mistake. i-Br is different from t-Br.  i-Br is isobutanol while t-Br is tert-Butyl alcohol.  Different compounds, my mistake (and now you know why I have nightmares about O-chem). --Stabila711 (talk) 19:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * so, "i-Pr" -> "t-Bu"? Maproom (talk) 20:09, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep. That should do it. The group on the end is a tert-butyl group which is represented by t-Bu.  Just so you know I have my acronyms right this time, here is a link to an O-chem glossary by UCLA .  And now I hope I never have to use O-chem again. --Stabila711 (talk) 20:21, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Right, I've made the change. Maproom (talk) 20:25, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

how to add a title to the Vietnam War novels list
Can you tell me how to add a title to the Vietnam War novel list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deborah Fleming (talk • contribs) 19:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to Category:Vietnam War novels, it's a list of existing Wkipedia articles about Vietnam war novels. Does your novel have a Wikipedia article about it? If you're referring to some other list, you'll need to tell us what list if you want us to help Maproom (talk) 19:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * To display in a category, the proper category tag would be placed on the article page, and by the magic of Wiki-dom, all the pages with that category tag display on the "category" page.
 * It would probably also be helpful for you to read about the minimum requirements for having a stand alone page about a topic where the category tag would be placed. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  20:04, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

How to make my own Artical
Hi I m the new usear from 15 to 20 days i had created my own page Nishit Ashokkumar Mehta and it gets deleted again and again please help me to creat my own page please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehta Nishit (talk • contribs) 21:15, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Deletion discussion is at Articles for deletion/Nishit Ashokkumar Mehta, then a speedy deletion as a recreation (CSD G4) and blocked from creation (salted.) RJFJR (talk) 21:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Because you have a conflict of interest that will inhibit your ability to cover content about yourself in an appropriately neutral manner which is why autobiographies are discouraged. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  21:27, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Nishit Ashokkumar Mehta doesnt look like it has been salted (yet). Has the content been recreated at an alternate title that is salted? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  21:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Nishit Mehta hasn't been salted yet either, although it is beginning to appear that it would be a good idea. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  22:26, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what you are seeing that I'm not but both Nishit Ashokkumar Mehta and Nishit Mehta are salted. They both clearly say This page is protected from creation, so only administrators can create it. and there is no create button on the toolbar. --Stabila711 (talk) 22:29, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * you are right. I thought that showed up in the pink log box, but apparently not. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  22:34, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for creating fake Reference
Hi I m the new usear from 15 to 20 days i had created my own page Nishit Ashokkumar Mehta. Sorry for creating a fake refferance please unblock me i will not creat fake reference please Allow me to creat my on page i dont know how to creat reference please help me please i bag a sorry fro u all please forgive me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehta Nishit (talk • contribs) 21:41, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You are not blocked. However as stated above you are not the appropriate person to create an article about yourself. Wikipedia compiles significant content that reliably published third parties have stated about a subject, if that doesn't exist, then no article can be created about the subject. If reliably published sources with a reputation for fact checking and editorial oversight have covered you, then provide those links and make a request at the page for requesting an article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  21:57, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Direct democracy Ireland
Every time i try to edit the Direct Democracy ireland page it keeps being reverted back to the original page by the same admin the whole time,as wiki is supposed to unbiased and rely on current material it is not accepted by this particular admin,what can i do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Railsparks (talk • contribs) 21:31, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This question was moved from the Help Desk Talk page. --Stabila711 (talk) 21:34, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Discuss the issue at the article talk page, Talk: Direct Democracy Ireland. There has not been any discussion on the article talk page recently.  If discussion on the article talk page is not productive, read the dispute resolution policy and follow one of the procedures discussed there, but first discuss on the article talk page.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:37, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

actually youngireland didnt revert anything he actually agreed with me that he would leave my changes until the claims proven on the page were correct which none of them are,you say a blog cannot be used as cited material but there is no problem using the socialist partys blog as cited material to discredit DDI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Railsparks (talk • contribs) 21:52, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The same person has not reverted you. In fact multiple people have all reverted you.  These people include, , and .  None of these people are admins.  You were reverted because you were using a blog as a source which is usually not a reliable source.  Reliable sources are news papers (that have a history of fact checking), journals, etc.  Do you have a reliable source? --Stabila711 (talk) 21:39, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * For ease of reference: .--ukexpat (talk) 12:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Need to remove photograph
Hello,

We would like to remove one of the photographs on the Wikipedia page for Diane Keaton. Might someone be able to assist us with this?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.240.160.244 (talk) 22:06, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Convenience link: Diane Keaton
 * Remove? Why?  I am willing to help if you give a reason why.  I have looked at the copyright tags for all the images on the page and they seem to be in order. --Stabila711 (talk) 22:09, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The only "need" for removal of images would be for copyright violation, and all of the images appear to be appropriately licensed.
 * The "desire" for a photo to be removed should be discussed on the article's talk page providing a valid rationale for doing so. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom


 * And who are the "we" and "us" of whom you speak? Are you Ms Keaton's representative? The usual reason for a rep to request removal of an image is because they deem it unflattering. None of the images in the article fit that description even if it it was a valid reason, which it is not.--ukexpat (talk) 12:32, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
Hi, looking to add cite's and journal info. but asking for "Ref", which I don't know

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20072058,00.html

https://usagym.org/pages/pressbox/history/nationalchamps_women.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.116.120 (talk) 22:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Since you have not told us what article you are talking about and your IP has not edited any other articles we can't really help you. Please let us know what article you are talking about so we can take a look. Thanks! --Stabila711 (talk) 22:32, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Special:LinkSearch shows the two links are only used in Donna Turnbow so that must be the article you failed to mention. I have eliminated the ref error messages [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donna_Turnbow&diff=684493366&oldid=684488284] but not dealt with other serious issues. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:52, 6 October 2015 (UTC)