Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 September 15

= September 15 =

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text
Article: Olot Bonny Olem also known as Lot Awitong Please let me how to cite and how to undo a failed cite — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olotbonny (talk • contribs) 00:59, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅, . You had added   at the start of the page. There are many other problems with citations on that page, however. DES (talk) 01:22, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Help with minor aesthetic change on a navbox template
Could somebody who's more knowledgeable make it so this navbox template lines the V*T*E up with this one? (it should be more inward, as it looks better on the player articles.)

EDIT: Actually, this template should look like this one, if possible. ~ Dissident93  (talk) 01:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Use of wikipedia information for commercial use
Hi I want to use wikipedia information for commercial use. Actually the use is were my android app request information of artist wiki and there image using wiki media api request, can I use the information by the wiki common attribution license. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinodatmob (talk • contribs) 07:33, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Probably yes. All of the text in Wikipedia is reusable for any purpose, including commercial, as long as it is properly attributed. Most images and media are likewise reusable, but not all, so you would need to look at the individual items to see if they were. Please see WP:REUSE for the details. --ColinFine (talk) 10:20, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Is there a way to monitor sub-category-inclusive related changes?
I'm looking for a way to assess 'related changes' for a higher-level category while including all sub-categories. E.g., Category:Prehistoric_mammals has a boatload of sub-categories; I'd really like to be able to check a related changes list of all prehistoric mammals articles without setting up 50+ links to sub- and sub-sub-categories. Is that possible if the articles don't share the same high-level category template in the actual text?-- Elmidae (talk) 08:19, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Google update
Hi there,

When typing in Arthritis Care in google and you get the result page

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=arthritis+care&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=e8_3VYeAMYeY7gb7jZiwCg

the box on the right still cites our old CEO's name, despite this has been changed in the article. Could you please let us know how to change that summary?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acweb (talk • contribs) 08:45, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * If the Wikipedia article Arthritis Care is out of date, please suggest changes, with references to reliable publised sources, on its talk page Talk:Arthritis Care. But I think you are saying that the Wikipedia article has been updated, and it is Google that has not picked up the change. If so, that is completely outside Wikipedia's hands. A standard message follows:
 * Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines. - ColinFine (talk) 10:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

About Nudity in music videos
Hello I saw a Music video of C.C Catch named Heaven and Hell, it had topless nudity Thanks Bye

Linkturner (nickname) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linkturner (talk • contribs) 09:59, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * And your question about editing Wikipedia,, is ... ? --ColinFine (talk) 10:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Presumably it would be whether it's OK to include a link to such a video in a Wikipedia article (or perhaps a still shot from it). Since Wikipedia isn't censored for nudity, and especially since topless nudity is perfectly acceptable in much of the world, there should be no problem with that. StuRat (talk) 15:06, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I have removed your email address to protect your privacy. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:58, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

PDF book problem
Getting the following problem when attempting to download PDF book I created

''Rendering failed Generation of the document file has failed.

Status: Rendering process died with non zero code: 1

Return to User:Firefly266/Books/Trigonometry and Calculus''

Using windows 10 and happens with latest version of Chrome and Opera

Please advise --Firefly266 (talk) 11:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * You may get a quicker and better response at the technical section of the Village Pump...--ukexpat (talk) 12:48, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * But if you search the archives there, you will find that this is a well-known, but not yet fixed, bug. See eg. WP:Village pump (technical)/Archive_132, from last November. --ColinFine (talk) 14:05, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

correcting a wrong assessment of the entry about me
Dear Wikipedia Editors

I am seeking some support in defending my reputation online and entry about me "Tania Peitzker" that has been in Wikipedia since 2007 - without any issues whatsoever.

I have just been unpleasantly surprised by another Wiki editor "Duffbeer..." something or other who seems determined to have my entry Tania Peitzker deleted. Note he also wrongly accused me of "attacking other editors" when I defended my entry. I did not do so in any way, shape or form.

I have had the archive and librarians of the University of Queensland defend my reputation by resubmitting the source for the "Tania Peitzker Collection" of my papers, academic work and literary manuscripts this week.

Furthermore, every single claim can be substantiated through the independent sources I have provided. The critic "Duffbeer" is not willing to recognise the media interviews done and published by independent, reliable sources - long established, mainstream press and publishing houses in the UK!

Could you please review this as I feel unduly attacked and the editor trying to have my entry deleted is not properly recognising the independent neutral sources that have been provided. I am an acknowledged academic after all so I do appreciate how to document texts correctly and objectively.

Would you mind also adding these additional citations for all the claims made in the entry about me?


 * velmai http://www.crowdcube.com/2014/  we were one of the companies which underwent 100% Due Diligence through CrowdCube which has everything about velmai, myownreporter and viledge documented and permanently archived, see the video here https://vimeo.com/107238615


 * no less than 4 interviews in established mainstream media in 2014:

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent-business/county-news/simplicity-the-secret-to-getting-27659/

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent-business/county-news/ibutcher-to-raise-the-steaks-24647/

http://www.specialityfoodmagazine.com/content/news/farm_shop_to_install_artificially_intelligent_bot

http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/south-west/126379-/


 * and about the kik deal, we published that info on the BBC FB yesterday https://www.facebook.com/BBCR2/posts/400522543479357


 * on my rep as businesswoman http://www.womenonboards.co.uk/my/profile/view?pid=17758    and https://www.facebook.com/224944327547104/photos/pcb.957108107664052/957105817664281/?type=1&theater


 * and best of all on bloomberg and standard & poors http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=289361815&privcapId=275393806


 * on being chatbot expert https://www.chatbots.org/expert/tania_peitzker/28566/


 * http://www.endole.co.uk/profile/6125202/tania-peitzker-lingham     on my Company Director role in the UK and here http://lanyrd.com/profile/drtaniapeitzker/


 * my doctorate https://publishup.uni-potsdam.de/opus4-ubp/files/12/peitzker.pdf


 * on my writing as journo for Times Higher was cited by international study (quite a few actually) because of my contributions to the THE World Rankings of universities:

The Italian CIMEA (NARIC-ENIC) welcomes the reforms, while recognising that the higher education system in Italy is faced with a challenge implementing such a radical transformation. Their system currently has limited diversification in qualifications, rigid curricula, a very high drop-out rate, high graduate unemployment and limited internationalisation. They are changing an elite to a mass higher education system; moving from a centralised system to financial, organisational and curricular autonomy of institutions (CIMEA, 2004). This makes the reform all the more needed. In relation to the new world ranking of universities, Ince and Peitzker (2004) note that ‘perhaps the most striking feature of the European top 50 is the invisibility of southern Europe… This is ominous for these countries’ prospects in the continent-wide knowledge economy of which European and national planners dream.’ Italy is clearly taking this challenge seriously in the hope that, quite apart from international rankings, their number of graduates and their employability will increase, and their graduates’ age will decrease. This would lead to a considerable rise in productivity and fall in unemployment among young adults (CIMEA, 2004).

https://www.naric.org.uk/naric/documents/contributions/Comparative-Study-of-New-Bachelor-and-Masters-degrees-Germany-Italy-and-UK.pdf


 * plus other articles cited in African and Swiss journals that I wrote originally for the Times Higher Education Supplement (now THE)


 * am in the ranking of famous alumni of potsdam uni http://www.ranker.com/list/famous-university-of-potsdam-alumni-and-students/reference?var=2&utm_expid=16418821-142.-TnVog0iRH60mJdQFvMOxQ.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk

Thanks for your assistance,

best wishes, Dr. Tania Peitzker — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tania Peitzker (talk • contribs) 14:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The issue raised is that your article may not meet the notability standards set by the Wikipedia community for academics. In addition your article reads like an autobiography which is strongly discouraged by Wikipedia guidelines.  The issues are compounded by the fact that you edited an article about yourself in clear disregard for the conflict of interest guidelines.  Since the article has been nominated for deletion there will now be a seven day period where other editors can voice their opinions on these matters.  If the Wikipedia community decides that your article does not fit with the guidelines set for inclusion it will be deleted.  If there is no consensus on the matter, of if the community decides to keep your article, it will stay.  However, please do not edit the article about yourself.  If you require a change please place  on the article's talk page followed by your request.  Another, independent, editor will make the change for you. --Stabila711 (talk) 14:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I was entirely unaware of those conditions/preferences

Hi Stabila

Thanks for your speedy response which explains a lot of things. I first wrote the entry about myself in 2007 which went to review by the Wikipedia editors & was approved based on the independent sources. None of the editors advised me back then that entries written by the subject themselves were not encouraged or that it would be considered a conflict of interest.

Since then I've been updating the entry over the years thinking I was doing the right thing by Wikipedia - a pity I did not know about these guidelines from the start. So thanks for informing me now.

I do wish to request an edit by the Wikipedian editors in that case with the additional sources I have provided in my Help Request today. In terms of Notability/Academic Contribution/Cultural Contributions of Note, please see the entry itself which has long been documented/sourced:

Broadcasting & reporting

From 1989 to 1990 in Australia, she became known for the country's first regular radio show devoted to female composers of classical music from around the globe, "Why Not Women?". The monthly radio programme was broadcast live on the public radio station for classical music, 4MBS in Brisbane, Queensland, and was created in collaboration with the International League of Women Composers (ILWC) in New York, USA.[6]

During this intensive period of community and volunteer work in broadcasting, Peitzker pioneered the establishment of the first Australian archive for the original recordings of contemporary compositions and historic classical music by women composers from around the world, most of which the American ILWC had sent to 4MBS in the 1980s and 1990s.

She was also the initiator of a live, free public concert featuring the acclaimed Brisbane composers, Mary Mageau and Betty Beath, whose classical music was performed by local musicians in the auditorium of the State Library of Queensland. The concert took place through Peitzker getting sponsors, State Government patronage and organizing the performances by other volunteers, as an extension of her work as a community broadcaster at 4MBS, then based on a local university campus.[7]

In the early 2000s, Peitzker was a regular correspondent for the London-based Times Higher Education Supplement, now THE, reporting on R&D and tertiary education issues from Berlin, Zurich and the United Nations' departments in Geneva. She also featured in a supplement of The Wall Street Journal Europe as a guest writer for Business Education, specifically MBAs offered in the EU compared with American Masters of Business courses.[8]

Academic achievements and publications

Peitzker was awarded a PhD in 2000 by the University of Potsdam for her Cultural Studies analysis of the twentieth-century Australian author, Dymphna Cusack.[9] The ebook publication of this doctoral work was released by kindle on Amazon in September 2015.[10]

In 1998, her doctoral research won the inaugural "Australia Award" of the International Federation of University Women in Geneva, Switzerland. The IFUW prize and grant had been created especially to acknowledge Peitzker's first empirical study and poststructuralist analysis of the internationally known humanitarian Dymphna Cusack, who had been a widely respected public cultural figure throughout the Cold War in Europe.

In 2012, Australia's largest independent publishing house Allen & Unwin created a national revival of Dymphna Cusack, whose work had been largely out of print for decades, making her a "forgotten author".[11] A year before, Cusack was included as one of only eleven authors to be given a brass plaque on the Sydney Writers' Walk of fame at Circular Quay.[12]

Plays, poetry and writing

In the field of drama, Peitzker wrote and directed Life with Marion (1990) which ran for two seasons ; one at the Metro Arts Theatre's dance studios and another at the University of Queensland's Cement Box Theatre. Life with Marion deals with ideas of love, religion, health and family. Peitzker later wrote Gargoyles dealing with themes of spirituality, gender, migration and ageing and the four act, epic drama written in verse, Crux, which is a metaphorical, mystical work set in an antipodean colony.

A number of her poems were published in journals as well as recorded and performed by local multimedia artists then broadcast on radio. Some of her early work was inspired by the "Old Town" of Launceston, Tasmania where she lived for the summer of 1991, after she had been selected during national auditions in Sydney to be the inhouse playwright for the University of Tasmania's Theatre Faculty in Hobart.

The University of Queensland Library has acquired and collected her published material as well as her unpublished manuscripts, including the poetry collection "Palinode - Poems from Brisbane and Nuremberg 1990 - 1995" and the novel Salamandra, or a Tale of a Last Survival, set in Geneva, Berlin, Brisbane and Cairns. These texts, recordings, manuscripts, academic papers and correspondence are held in the "Tania Peitzker Collection" in the Fryer Library's Australiana archives at the University of Queensland.[9]

Peitzker began publishing her work on Kindle and Amazon in 2015.

Thanks again for your prompt assistance and also for including the additional independent sources that are reliable (Bloomberg, Standard & Poors, 3 news enterprises and publishing houses, citations for articles written by me for the Times Higher Education Supplement, the THE World Ranking and other neutral sources).

best wishes, Tania — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tania Peitzker (talk • contribs) 15:25, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I did not add those references to your page. Another editor did that.  In addition, I initially misread your article and gave you the nobility standards for academics.  For general guidelines on people see this instead.  I believe you would fall under the "creative professionals" and/or "author" section.  If the community does decide to keep your article it is going to have to be cleaned up a bit to remove information that is a tad promotional but that is still to be decided.  If you have further edit requests you can use the article's talk page to request your edit. --Stabila711 (talk) 15:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

understood - here are further sources about me as a "Creative Professional" and "author"
thank you for explaining this further. I would like to request further edits to add supporting evidence and neutral reliable sources about my notability as a "creative professional" and published "author":


 * Fryer Library is a university archive for Australian Special Collections. They paid me around $2 000 back in 1994 for my papers, academic work and playscripts that had been performed and broadcast, as well as the unpublished literary manuscripts. They have been collecting my papers and works since then - the librarians have entered the reference for the "Tania Peitzker Collection" independently of me this week.


 * They only collect the papers of people of note, especially for plays https://www.library.uq.edu.au/fryer-library/playscripts and https://www.library.uq.edu.au/fryer-library/papers-and-records The collection summary is published here https://www.library.uq.edu.au/fryer-library/ms/uqfl310.pdf


 * I was a correspondent for prestigious international university newspaper https://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/ I wrote many articles and features for THES now called THE from Berlin, Zurich and Geneva. I interviewed Nobel Prize winners, Education Ministers, Vice Chancellors of unis but above all, innovative researchers about knowledge transfer issues and achievements ie. improving society through applying their knowledge to commerce and industry.


 * Many of these articles were then cited by other publications and higher ed organisations around the world, especially as I was a contributor to the highly regarded Times Higher World Ranking of universities. As one example see this article archived "Swiss to balance gender scales" (my article is half way down the page) http://www.readabstracts.com/Education/Equality-but-not-for-poor-Swiss-to-balance-gender-scales.html and another citation of my research here in the US www.math.utah.edu/~davar/ps-pdf-files/Ranking.pdf


 * I am consolidating all my unpublished work by publishing it on kindle, please see http://www.amazon.com/author/taniapeitzker Note I obtained the grade Magna cum Laude for my doctoral dissertation on Dymphna Cusack for which I won an international award in Geneva from the International Federation of University Women, the "Australia Award".


 * This month I published the first volume in the series of 5 volumes that will form my postdoctoral research work on Artificial Intelligence and Cultural Studies: http://www.amazon.com/Artificial-Intelligence-Literature-Suspending-Disbelief-ebook/dp/B010NUOYEY/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

Hope that helps the community make a fair decision, especially taking note of the fact that women writers, women journalists and women academics are culturally underrepresented in society because we do not have the same access to mainstream publishing & channels of recognition of our achievements and cultural contributions...

best wishes, Tania Peitzker (talk) 16:15, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . This is not the right place for you to give detailed information about what should go in the article: the article's talk page Talk:Tania Peitzker is a better place for it: that's why I have collapsed the list. But please note that, however significant the items you mention may be in your career and the literary world, they are almost irrelevant for Wikipedia's determination of notability (in its special sense) which depends entirely on whether and how much other people, unconnected with you, have published about you. Since a Wikipedia article should be based almost 100% on what people unconnected with the subject have published about the subject, it follows that your publications, and collections of your papers, cannot figure in an article unless somebody else has written at some length about them. Citations of your works might contribute, if they are cited in a discussion of the work in question; but if they are merely being cited for content, then they won't. The question is not (in fact, is never) what you have published, but what people have published about you. --ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Colin,

Tried to reply to you directly but your talk function not working. So just briefly:

I realise, both as an academic and a journalist, that neutral sources are independent of me. That is why I pointed out the media articles about me and my company in Artificial Intelligence, velmai.

You cannot say these newspapers and online news platforms are then "connected" to me because I was simply the subject of their interviews and media coverage ie. it also evidence of my notability. I note that the national "Specialty Food Magazine" interview has not been included in the references though you have included the Southwest Insider Media article and the Kent Messenger interview which is countywide press. http://www.specialityfoodmagazine.com/content/news/farm_shop_to_install_artificially_intelligent_bot

The same goes for the international sources: the Bloomberg and Standard & Poors reference and discussion of me as CEO of velmai - that is independent of me and you can't get more global, serious approval, recognition and discussion of being a Creative Professional of note than Bloomberg and S&P.

I have asked 4MBS and the IFUW in Geneva - now named Graduate Women International - to independently of me confirm about the work I did for the radio station, the concert etc and also the Australia Award through the IFUW/GWI archives of international fellowships. They should be able to provide you with the citations requested.

I have a work reference from 4MBS and documentation about the IFUW award is in the Fryer Library archive collection about me. Again, a university library only collects the papers of notable people... and that was decided independently of me.

Thanks for your admirable work in editing the text - I appreciate the rigour shown by the Wikipedia editors!

Tania Peitzker (talk) 17:16, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, : I haven't edited the article - in fact I haven't looked at it before now: I see that and  have both done so. I was commenting entirely on what you posted here on this page. Whether the magazines are "connected" to you is not the point: the point is that if they print an interview with you, then the content is not independent of you. Wikipedia requires an article (and especially an article about a living person) to be almost entirely based on what people unconnected with the subject have published about the subject; but if they are writing up an interview or a press release then it is not what they are saying about you, but what you are saying about you.
 * Put bluntly, Wikipedia has almost no interest in what a person or an organisation says or wishes to have said about themselves. Unless it's uncontroversial factual data, then it should be from truly independent sources, or not in the article.
 * That a university collects your papers obviously shows that they rate you as significant - as "notable" in the ordinary sense of the word. If some people have written articles, books or theses about you and those papers, then you are "notable" in Wikipedia's special sense, because those articles, books or theses can be used as the basis of a Wikipedia article about you. But if nobody has, then you are not, at present, "notable" in Wikipedia's sense.
 * I'm afraid that not one of the references currently in the article is a substantial piece about you that isn't derived from an interview with you, and nor are the resources you mention above. I note in particular that asking bodies to confirm the work you have done is no help at all, because Wikipedia requires all references to be published in reliable places (so that, in principle, any reader any time can go and check that the source really supports what's in the article).
 * Nobody is saying that you are not important or notable (in the ordinary sense of the word). But so far, you have produced nothing which establishes that you are notable in Wikipedia's special sense.
 * As for editing my talk page: the "Talk" link in my signature should take you to my talk page, where you can add a new section at the bottom.
 * Cheers. --ColinFine (talk) 23:19, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

On Carach Angren album This is no fairytale
Hello, I'm trying to work on this page. I cited Metalhammer review. But wikipedia said there was a problem with date on allaccess? Also, I have been trying to put an album cover on this wiki page but to no avail. I got it from allmusic.com and cited the source. But I do not know the html to successfully put the album cover up. Also, I'm wondering if this page can be allowed to get out of drafts without being in danger of being deleted? Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mabdarke (talk • contribs) 16:19, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I fixed the ref and placed the image you uploaded into the infobox. For future reference, you had |accessdate = February 03 2015.  I changed it to February 3, 2015 and it worked.  Also, you have to add a fair-use rational to the image cover for it to be valid.  Once you have everything set you can add  to the top of the article and that will signal that the article is ready for review. --Stabila711 (talk) 16:30, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mabdarke (talk • contribs) 16:37, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I have removed the image from the draft again, and . WP:NFCC says that non-free images may only be used in articles, not drafts. Once the drafts is accepted as an article (and provided that an adequate fair-use rationale is given) it can be added back in. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * My mistake. Thank you for correcting my error. --Stabila711 (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

ok thanks. i sent it for review so if its approved, i will ask for help for putting back the picture for album cover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mabdarke (talk • contribs) 16:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * When that point comes,, look at the article's history, and you will be able to find Stabila711's edit, and see what they did. --ColinFine (talk) 17:01, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text
— Preceding unsigned comment added by DaviTipp (talk • contribs)
 * Hello, you will need to provide us more information. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  20:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I guess this is about Forever the Sickest Kids. TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  has detected and fixed the referencing errors (I tried but failed). Maproom (talk) 20:59, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

How to count all pages within a category?
Is there a special page where I can easily get the number (preferably with a list) of articles within a given category? The best I could think of is the category tree, but I am dealing with really huge categories and it's going to take way too long to count pages manually from the tree --Abbad (talk) 20:50, 15 September 2015 (UTC).


 * The magic word  where   is the name of the category (without namespace indicator).  For example:
 * has pages.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 21:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe PAGESINCATEGORY only counts the pages in the category itself without "drilling" down to count pages in sub-categories? Ottawahitech (talk) 21:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * CatScan provides a summary count for its results, article lists over several categories, can collect data within category trees, and can present the results in a few different formats. But for "huge" categories it'll need a while to perform such searches. GermanJoe (talk) 21:43, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, that also appears to work as a (partial) answer to my unanswered question above about trans-level 'related changes', although it requires clicking into each article's history individually to check what went on. Does CatScan also output list info on latest edits when all options are available?-- Elmidae (talk) 05:47, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * CatScan has an option to output only the pages that have changed since a certain date. So if you ran it once a day/week/whatever on your large category, you'd get a much smaller list of pages to check. The option is labelled "Last edit". -- John of Reading (talk) 06:30, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup. saw that, thanks. And it certainly is a useful method already. I was just wondering whether some additional info about that last edit could be made to pop up in the list view, such as to be able to exclude the obvious uncontroversial edits from further investigation (as one does when checking recent/related changes). But I suppose not, acc. to the documentation. Good enough :) -- Elmidae (talk) 09:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

"Institute for the Future" page deleted unceremoniously with no obvious avenue of petition
The "Institute for the Future" page was deleted on June 22, 2015 by AnomieBOT |||, due to some kind of redirect auto-deletion mechanism that doesn't seem to make sense in the given context. The Institute for the Future is a well-known public institution that's been around for almost fifty years in Palo Alto, CA, with a global reach and many published and publicly cited works. Several of its prominent founders and employees have their own pages that have not been deleted (see the entries for "Roy Amara", "David Pescovitz", and "Olaf Helmer".) The mechanism for identifying the bot's actions as incorrect does not itself seem to be working, and redirects to a blank page. I cannot figure out how to petition this deletion in any of the provided ways, but this bot seems to be aggressively and erroneously acting on its own behalf. Could someone please help/advise? If you can uncover the deleted Institute for the Future page, you may determine that its content needs to be updated or expanded, but it certainly meets the formal criteria for inclusion.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Decals42 (talk • contribs) 21:25, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The deletion logs show the page was deleted by User:Kudpung, seven days after another editor tagged the article as having no secondary sources. AnomieBOT just fixed some links afterwards. (BTW, bots cannot delete pages.) To contest the deletion, you can appeal it at Deletion review. But given lack of sourcing in the article's history, I don't give it much chance.  21:39, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * (ec)
 * The page wasn't deleted by AnomieBOT. See the history here. The page was proposed for deletion by someone and then deleted by User:Kudpung on June 21, 2015 at least seven days after being listed as such. The deletion note states "no evidence of notability given; no non-primary references since creation nine years ago". AnomieBOT III flagged the redirects to this page at and then deleted IFTF and Institute for the future on June 22 as they were not then pointing to anything. As per Kudpung's deletion note, no-one had added any reliable third-party sources to the article in a number of years and no-one protested the deletion proposal in a week. Nanonic (talk) 21:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually since this was deleted via the WP:PROD mechanism, it can be appealed at WP:REFUND, a faster and lighter-weight process than Deletion review (aka DRV). Of course, any editor could then nominate it for deleted through Articles for Deletion, perhaps on the grounds of failure to demonstrate notability. If it should be restored, i would advise finding and adding secondary sources promptly. Indeed it might be a good idea to find some and list them in the application for restoration at WP:REFUND. I hope that helps. DES (talk) 22:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh and it is possible, although rare, for bots operated by admins to delete pages, if they are approved to do so. I am not sure if any are so approved at the moment. One bot at least (HasturBot) applies speedy deletion tags that admins routinely approve, although not always. DES (talk) 22:15, 15 September 2015 (UTC)