Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 September 23

= September 23 =

Marion Stein
Please help - what is wrong with ref. number 7 on the above page? ThanksSrbernadette (talk) 01:03, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * This. -- Dismas |(talk) 01:11, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Add an Image
I'm a first time user and like to add an image to one of the wiki pages. Can you help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiranskp (talk • contribs) 01:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, you can start by reading the help page on files. This will tell you how to upload files.  Remember, files must have the correct copyright in order to be used on any Wikipedia page.  Once you have read that if you still have questions let me know. --Stabila711 (talk) 02:04, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Standard reply:


 * If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
 * If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add  to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 12:23, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add  to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 12:23, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Leeds Festival (classical music)
Please help re above page - ref. number 2 (I have stuffed it up because we are all tired) and can you please put an accent on the word fiancé - I try, but cannot remember how to do it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srbernadette (talk • contribs) 02:08, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

sorry - I tampered again with the above article - please help me - complete stuff up. Refs. numbers 1 and 2 (please keep in the quotes). Thanks Mikey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srbernadette (talk • contribs) 02:24, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed Tiggerjay (talk) 02:34, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Just a thanks for you all for fixing the mess on the above page. You might like to check my final references. I am getting better at this! Thanks again M.Srbernadette (talk) 03:13, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

OBJECTIONS FROM YOUR MODERATOR / EDITOR (Non-dropframe and Cyphoidbomb) TO BLOCK ME FROM EDITING MY OWN PAGE : KURUSH DEBOO
Dear Sir / Madam, SUB: EDITING AND ADDING INFORMATIONS, BIOGRAPHY ON MY PAGE: "Kurush Deboo" LINK: Kurush Deboo

PROBLEM : AS A NEWCOMER FOE EDITING I AM FACING PROBLEMS about HOW AND WHERE TO ATTACH CITING PROOFS. WHAT KIND OF PROOFS?. DO YOU NEED BIRTH CERTIFICATE OF MINE TO PUT MY BIRTH DATE? I am a regular contributor of IMDB.COM since last 20 years. And here I am feeling like a fraud or con man by your editors. I am a new editor and I did not follow / understand your guidelines in-spite of attaching help page. I tried but could not learn or grasp your guidelines. I am not aware how to contact them. I tried to apply Talk Button but nothing works. I don't know your policy. They are accusing me that I am promoting myself. I don't need promotion. You can delete my page. Some of my friends and fans from Indian Film Industry request me to update my WIKIPEDIA PAGE, which is not updated since ages.

For your kind information, I have contributed and added articles on acting and screen writing on your website. Please check my history of contributions.

And your editors insulted ACTING COMMUNITY about not to include SMALL ROLES. Sorry to say there are no small roles but only small actors. Tomorrow no professsional Actors will do a small role if your editors have same attitudes. You must give respects to actors to their work and do not judge by one scene or main role. I have done all kind of main and supporting roles including Hero. I was nominated for the Best Supporting Actor in Such A Long Journey (1999) in Canadian Genie Awards: Link attached.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Canadian_Cinema_and_Television_Award_for_Best_Performance_by_an_Actor_in_a_Supporting_Role

When I have started IMDB contributions, they guided me personally by email communications. I want to speak to your editors. What kind of proof do they want? Youtube Video Links? (Where to attach the link on my page? Miscellaneousness Heading? IMDB Credit Links? (which your editors reject IMDB as a citing proof) Which websites do you recognize for proof? Do you want my contract copies, birth certificates for proof.

I have faced difficulty to understand citing proof and biography proof and creation. I don't mind to chat with them or any one who can help me how to edit and add information. And if you feel I am not authorized to do editing, no problem, I will send you the details for inputs if you want.

I promise you that I am not going to touch or edit any more my page : Kurush Deboo, till you explain me your terms and conditions policy and individual guidelines by chat.

Thanks and sorry for expressing my personal feelings. I have no issues, I had gone through more humiliations in my struggle days. But Actors need respect, that's it.

Kurush Deboo

P.S.: Encl : MESSAGES FROM YOUR MODERATORS / EDITORS: Alerts

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unsigned comment added by Kurushdeboo (talk • contribs) 11:41, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * It is NOT your page. You do not own it. It is a Wikipedia article. You also have a Conflict of interest. Please abide by our guidelines. --Aspro (talk) 12:10, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * (ec) First of all, please don't WP:SHOUT. Second, be aware there is no 'your own page' on Wikipedia – see Ownership of content. Please also read a note on the Terms of Use – it is diplayed just above the button, which you clicked multiple times already to save your edits. --CiaPan (talk) 12:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I am sorry you found this a frustrating experience. First of all Kurush Deboo is not "your page" even if it is a page about you. See WP:OWN. Secondly, Wikipedia articles depend on information found in published reliable sources, largely independent "secondary" sources. Your birth certificate is not published, so it is not a useful source. Published news and magazine articles are often good sources, although other sources are often used. The IMDB is mostly not considered a reliable source, because anyone can add content to it with little or no oversight. Here we mostly do not use email communications, and never in response to help desk posts. You can leave a message for any editor on his or her user talk page. To leave a message for User:Example, post to User talk:Example. Unlike the IMDB, Wikipedia does not cover every actor or every role. We cover only notable topics, by which we mean topics that have been written about by independent reliable sources in some detail. See The Golden Rule of Article Essentials. Thus small roles, while not unimportant, may not be notable. Also, our conflict of interest guideline discourages people from editing articles about themselves or about subjects with which they have a close association. As per WP:SOAP Wikipedia articles should not be used to promote or advertise a person, subject, or cause, or indeed anything else. I hope these comments are helpful to you. DES (talk) 12:17, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: This article appears to be just about one of the many millions of Bit part actors  that have not had any major roles. Can anyone see any reason not to send this to AfD?--Aspro (talk) 12:41, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Eh. I found some news articles in a Google search.  The Times of India seems somewhat enamored of him.  I've added a couple to the article as references. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 14:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * TOI gets "enamored" with almost any actor. Promotional puff Bollywood articles are a dime for dozens there. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  16:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Geisterfahrer
Hi,

I have noticed roughly 60 edits by IP-Addresses on Bundesautobahn 26 covering just the exit list. These are done by the same IP and only materialize in anything substantial occasionally, in most cases they revert back and forth their own edits over hours or days. This has started early August 2015 and there are a bunch of IP-Addresses and editing a number of exit lists on german Autobahns. Not sure what to do here. Some it actually contributes to a nice exit list, but in many cases this is "inefficient" at best, but I'm not sure that it's a bot. It's just a little annoying in my watchlist. --Aeroid (talk) 12:58, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 5.70.180.63
 * 90.205.82.88
 * 90.215.34.203
 * 90.205.90.6
 * 5.68.56.108
 * 5.68.60.173
 * 2.123.17.187
 * 5.68.59.172
 * 2.123.17.15


 * I think just putting a temporary block on the IP ranges should do it. Note, that these are taking place during the school vacation period in the UK and they all geoloacate there. Probably due to the same child as he travels around. Don't ask me why he does it. Just role-back article to before these edits started.--Aspro (talk) 13:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * User: 94.193.131.142 (who very closely situated to those locations – like only a bus ride away)  has been doing doing similar edits only this time Portsmouth and Southampton based Navel vessels -just local to him. Again, all during the school vacation period. He got blocked for two weeks. User_talk:94.193.131.142 Maybe the same individual. The more I look,  the greater a similar pattern of multiple edits is emerging from anonymous editors, all geolocating from  the same  few square miles of this part of the UK. Coincidence – I don't think so.--Aspro (talk) 14:06, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Correcting a link about me ... and creating an entry about myself
Friends --

What ''would' "we do without Wikipedia? My days would as a freelance writer would all be transformed -- poof! -- into darkest nights.

If you go to "Sierra Club, John Muir Award" you will find "Doug Scott" listed as having received this award, the Sierra Club's highest, in 1997. I am so honored to be among that august company.

Anyway, my name there is a live link. But it does not lead to me. Some other Doug Scott, of whom there are many.

So, I would like help to:

1. Create a page about myself

2. Correct this erroneous link.

Thanks for your help. Doug — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottdoug959 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well first off you should never directly create a page about yourself. That would be a major conflict of interest and be going against Wikipedia guidelines.  Second, Wikipedia requires notability of the people and things that have articles here.  Please read the general guidelines for all articles.  If you do not fit into these guidelines then Wikipedia is not the place for an article about yourself.  Remember, we are not a blog where anyone and post anything they want.  If you believe you do meet this criteria then you should create a draft and submit your article to articles for creation.  Another, impartial, editor will look at your article and determine if it meets Wikipedia guidelines for inclusion.  As for the other link, I am looking now and will correct it.  Someone else got to it before me --Stabila711 (talk) 17:15, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Simon_Critchley
--SarahVS (talk) 17:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)Review Corrected Page About Living Person

Article warnings
Hi, I'm writing because a page on a philosopher I study has all kinds of warnings/caveats at the top. I edited down the page and provided sources to all the material, but the notices at the top still have not gone away. In the past, the page has been subject to edit wars, as far as I can tell from the talk page, which is why I'm putting my comment here. If this could be addressed soon, considering the page is about a living person, that would be fantastic. The page is here: Simon Critchley

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahvschweig (talk • contribs) 17:11, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello The article should focus on what other people have found noteworthy about his work(s), not what  Wikipedia editors feel are the primary points.
 * Also, just as style matter, the article should not have subsection after subsection consisting of simply of a single sentence. It also should not have links to anything other than other wikipedia articles in the text body (links within a citation are however welcome) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:25, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for the answers on this. Really appreciate it. Will keep editing based on your suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahvschweig (talk • contribs) 17:59, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I edited down the page for style as suggested above, and to have a more neutral point of view. The works mentioned in selected works are all relatively well known in philosophy circles as well as in popular discourse. If it's at all possible for the last article warning to be taken down, that would be fantastic. Or to get a wikipedia editor to put in their 2 cents and edit for neutrality. I think anyone editing this page would perhaps be slightly close to the subject, since they likely know his work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahvschweig (talk • contribs) 13:12, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Sarahvschweig, I've had a quick drive-by, some MoS fixes and removed sales sites refs, see history Jimfbleak - talk to me?  13:52, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Jim. Wondering if this helps/is sufficient for getting last article warning removed?
 * The warnings at the top of the page are not system-generated, an editor placed them there. If you feel that your revisions to the article have sufficiently fulfilled what the warning was for, you can remove them yourself. uhhlive (talk) 18:01, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Finding active editors who read/write a specific language
Hello all! In the past, when I've tried to find a user to help me with something in a specific language using Babel, I haven't had any luck since most of the users listed are inactive. Is there a tool of some kind I could use to find users who speak language X at a certain level, who have also edited in the past month? (Or some other period of time). Thanks, Howicus (Did I mess up?) 18:39, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you tried looking on Translators available? You can look there for the language you want and then run the name against Special:Contributions to see when they last edited. --Stabila711 (talk) 18:46, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hm, that's sort of what I'm looking for. It'll work :) Thanks. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 18:51, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Update existing logo on company article
How should I request the upload of a new company logo file to replace the one already on a company article? Not sure which is the correct request template. There is already a /wiki/File: but it needs to be updated. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikicarrot (talk • contribs) 19:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Follow the instructions for submitting a request at Files for upload. RegistryKey(RegEdit) 19:11, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Video game screenshots
Hi, I hope this is the right place to ask. Do I need to obtain one myself, or can I take one from the web and use it here under fair use or fair dealings? (I live in the UK) Adam9007 (talk) 21:33, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Screenshots of video games would fall under fair use. There is even a specific fair use tag that has to be used.  It can be found here.  Since the game is owned by the company that made it, even screenshots you created would not be public domain. The image should be tagged with that template and a fair use rational must be included for it to be valid. --Stabila711 (talk) 22:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Looking at this file (I know this isn't a screenshot), am I right in thinking I can take one from the web as long as I acknowledge the source? Adam9007 (talk) 23:27, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As long as it follows the fair use policies and it is attributed correct and it uses the correct copyright tags and fair use rational you shouldn't have a problem. Copyright issues are a little finicky so I can't really be 100% sure without more information. --Stabila711 (talk) 23:51, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * On a related note, WikiProject Video games is active and helpful if you have further video game questions or requests :) Sam Walton (talk) 22:26, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 23:27, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

How to Reply to Another Wikipedian
If someone sends me a message on my page, how do I reply?SarahRMadden (talk) 22:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean like that? There are a few ways to ping them.  You can use  or  or .  All three will send a notification to the user that they have been mentioned. --Stabila711 (talk) 22:33, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * And you could reply on their Talk page,, but I prefer to keep the conversation together, so I would reply on my own talk page and ping them as Stabila suggests. --ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * How can I do a self test on ? - Justin545 (talk) 02:13, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can ping yourself but if that just worked then you are good to go. Note, there are some restrictions on pinging. The message must be part of a section (not standalone) and the message must be signed.  If the person forgets to sign their edit the user will not be pinged. --Stabila711 (talk) 02:22, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Guy Garman
Good day,

I am Guy Garman's wife. I just want to inform you that your information regarding not only the history of my husband, but also his history as a physician and as a diver is completely innacurate. I have donated funds to Wikipedia. Not that it matters,however, if you wish to be a respected website, I would highly suggest that before you submit publication on your site, you secure the accuracy of the information you are submitting. It is very obvious you published hearsay and re-wrote info from online blogs that were false. Minimal that you wrote on this subject is accurate information. Very sad... Borderline smutty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.207.137 (talk) 22:56, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Mrs Garman, my sincere regrets over the loss of your husband. I would be interested in specific information you feel in inaccurate, along with what you feel should be changed. Wikipedia has no single editor and the standards require information to be accurate and verifiable. In this case, the article was written using 12 different references. We are all volunteers here and any direction you can provide using verifiable sources would be appreciated. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:23, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The article in question is Guy Garman. The place to request changes to the article is its talk page, Talk: Guy Garman.  Please indicate on the article talk page what is incorrect and what changes should be made to the article.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:08, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Modern Baptists
Hi, I have just created article Modern Baptists moving text from the author James Wilcox's article, but the new article has been flagged as including text fro dbpedia, but dbpedia itself is just an extract of Wikipedia... Can somebody remove the copyright violation flag ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 23:00, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * fixed. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:12, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * But there's still a copyright problem. The text which you moved was added to the James Wilcox article by Mgolrick, who was duly listed in that article's edit history. He still deserves the credit for it. I believe that there's some way to acknowledge this when an article is (in effect) split. There are instructions on how to handle this at WP:RIA: maybe when I'm feeling stronger I'll try to understand and apply them. Maproom (talk) 08:10, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I have applied the copied template to both talk pages. I have not applied either of "methods (a) and (c)" as recommended under proper attribution because I can find no methods so labelled. Maproom (talk) 18:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Socking at school?
I'm the user TZLNCTV asking about whether or not, if there was a school project and I had to write something on Wikipedia as my project or such, would it be considered socking and evading?--69.223.191.70 (talk) 22:08, 23 September 2015 (UTC) (Please don't block, my evades are over. I'm tired of WP...)
 * No. You may not edit for your school project. The block applies to the person.  If you wish to be unblocked, log in to your primary account (usually the first account you used) and use the unblock template, explaining why we should trust you at Wikipedia again.  Note: the fact that you are required to edit Wikipedia for a school project means nothing at all to us.  When you do something wrong, there are consequences.  If those consequences mean you cannot do your project, you should have thought about that before you misbehaved.  The fact that the consequences are inconvenient for you is a feature not a bug.  When you do the wrong thing, it's supposed to make your life inconvenient.  That's how you know not to do wrong anymore.  -- Jayron 32 22:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * More to the point, Wikipedia is not a public body. Nobody is 'owed' the right to edit here.  There are no rights of free-speech.  You edit here only under the rules set out by the WikiMedia Foundation.  So, no - I don't think you have the right to edit here - and I don't think it would be right to allow you to do so just because you claim that you have a school project to do...heck, we don't trust you to edit here - why do you think we'd trust you not to lie about some school project just to get back into the system and cause more grief for us?


 * Honestly, I doubt you'll find much sympathy for your position here. You don't get blocked for making small mistakes - you don't get blocked for a single misdemeanor - you get blocked for a sustained pattern of misbehavior.  Even then, we give warnings, then - if you persist, we hand out out short term blocks first - it takes continued misbehavior in the face of all of those warnings to get a permanent block.  It takes the consensus of a number of respected, experienced people to impose and maintain a permanent block - and there is even an appeals process.  When you come to the end of all those things...we don't want you here...period.  The significant point here is that Wikipedia doesn't somehow 'owe' you the right to edit here.  It's not like the US government - which grants you a number of legal and constitutional rights.  The objective of this web site is to accumulate the sum of all human knowledge - if your presence here slows that process down and distracts good editors from improving the encyclopedia, then why would you have any expectation of having editing privileges here?  It is not the function of this website to help people write articles to get good grades in school projects...it's simply not part of the purpose of this site to do that.


 * As to your school project - there is NOTHING preventing you with writing something that would be appropriate for Wikipedia and requesting that someone post it here on your behalf after vetting it for acceptability. IMHO, your school should not object to you writing something appropriate for Wikipedia and turning it in as your class project without actually adding it into Wikipedia.  All you're doing is demonstrating your ability to do the work - there is no need to have it physically reside on this site.  The only thing that submitting it here would prove is that you have the right to edit here - and you don't.


 * Personally, I think you'll learn more of importance to your future life by getting a bad grade in this project than you would if you got a good grade. Take note: When you do bad things, the consequences can be serious, they can be long lasting, they can be irrevocable.


 * SteveBaker (talk) 03:52, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * This reminds of the story of a guy looking for a parking space. He sees several cars parked in a no-parking area. He asks a passerby, "May I park there?" "No, you may not." "What about those other guys?" "They didn't ask!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:38, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * May I point some users to Banning_policy, and to Reference Desk Guidelines, including  As always, any responses should be civil and avoid anything that could even remotely be considered a personal attack or ad hominem.  Ssscienccce  (talk) 04:49, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Can you quote above where the personal attack occurs? -- Jayron 32 13:23, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * You might also read School projects.--Shantavira|feed me 07:17, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Considering an account identified as your sock puppet was blocked as recently at 8th September User:AC325, your chance of a successful block appeal at this time probably isn't very high. I see from Help desk/Archives/2015 July 1 you've already been told about the WP:Standard offer. You really need to stop socking for a minimum of 6 months or it's difficult for an appeal to unblock to succeed. That means you shouldn't edit from any account or anonymously. You need to stick with your main account, I guess User:TZLNCTV, and wait for it to be unblocked. Also since you lost the ability to even edit your own talk page on that account, you will need to follow the instructions given to you on your talk page User talk:TZLNCTV. You will either need to contact Unblock Ticket Request System or if you already did so but were rejected, Arbitration Committee/Ban Appeals Subcommittee. (You definitely shouldn't make an appeal by making a new account or with an IP, most of the time that's a good way to ensure your appeal doesn't succeed.) You should only make a proper appeal if you have a realistic chance of succeeding, otherwise people are going to pay less and less attention to your appeals. Also as mentioned by others, any unblock request will need to concentrate on your previous behaviour and how you plan to avoid causing problems again in the future. You can mention any need to edit for school, but that's largely an aside. I'm not sure whether you did anything particularly harmful under the AC325 account other than socking while blocked, and I'm not seeing many socks since February, besides the AC325 account. But as has already been said, you need to wait appeal any block under your original account, not simply create a new account. Even if you had a resonable chance of appealing a block before the AC325 account, the very act of creating and using that account makes it difficult for people to trust you really understand how to operate here. (Socking to ask these sort of questions are more minor, but at the same time when you've already been blocked there's some expectation you'd be able to understand basics like what socking is, by yourself. Although it is better that you asked rather than if you had simply socked.) Nil Einne (talk) 07:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * This belongs as an unblock request at the user's desk--and the whole issue is hypothetical anyway--since the user is saying "what if I had a school project?" then moans "I am tired of WP". Can we please just refer such users to the proper help, WP:AN, or talk page and suggest he ping the blocking admin? μηδείς (talk) 17:12, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed the hat by persons unknown. Ideally this question should have been asked at the WP:help desk. But since it was asked here, and already had several answers, it IMO makes more sense to just leave it here. Still, if someone wants to move it to the help desk with a redirect from this question, I won't object. I don't think we should be encouraging the OP to sock further, so it's inherently impossible for them for them to ask the question, which was already answered anyway at WP:AN or their talk page, or anywhere else on wikipedia. And it's similar impossible for them to either make an unblock request on their talk page or to ping the blocking admin, and that wouldn't be the right way for them to request an unblock which as already mentioned needs to either go via UTRS or via arbcom ban appeals. Note there is no need to ping the blocking admin, to ask about general issues like how to make an unblock request, whether a school project is likely to affect an unblock request, or under what conditions may an unblock request be granted. Nil Einne (talk) 21:42, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Moved here from the Ref Desk since this is a request for help editing, not references. μηδείς (talk) 00:53, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Finally got back to this; this time I suppose I will follow Std. Offer, and not sock again. Thanks for the advice and ad hominems. --69.223.180.136 (talk) 19:27, 26 September 2015 (UTC)(TZLNCTV, once again, don't block for sock on this IP)