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= April 21 =

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Collective Narcissism

There is a basic difference between what can be referred to as a Collective Narcissist and a Narcissistic Collective.

It was a quote from me. Horace W. Crosby, Jr., M.Ed.

User talk:Horacewcrosby1

(I'm just a beginner at Wikipedia and haven't read any further than the Introduction, but I thought the quote was of reasonable importance when it came to the explanation of the subject matter.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Horacewcrosby1 (talk • contribs)


 * Hi . Sadly, inserting a quote of yourself in an article would be considered original research, which is not allowed so I have removed the quote for now. If this quote has been published in a reliable source, then it may be reinserted at some point in the future; I wouldn't recommend you do that, as you are not objective as to the usefulness of the quote in the article potentially making it hard to maintain a neutral point of view. I see that you have been informed before of this on your talk page by, and I recommend you listen to them, or you are at risk of being blocked. Thanks — crh 23   &thinsp;(Talk) 07:11, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Jackson on U.S. currency
Main article: List of United States Presidents on currency § Andrew Jackson Andrew Jackson has appeared on U.S. banknotes as far back as 1869, and extending into the 21st century. His image has appeared on the $5, $10, $20 and $10,000 note. Most recently, is image appears on the U.S. $20 Federal reserve note, Series 2004-2006, with a redesigned, larger portrait.

In April 2016, it was announced that Harriet Tubman's image would replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 banknote.[145]

Note: after "Most recently,"... There should be "his" but theres "is"... Pleas read above!

Sincerely, carlsanti65 Andrew Jackson

Carlsanti1965 (talk) 03:37, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Fixed MB (talk) 03:49, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

if you see an obvious spelling or grammatical error like this in a Wikipedia article, be bold and fix it yourself! This is Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia! — crh 23   &thinsp;(Talk) 07:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

the history of vedic culture as explained in wikipedia is false, eroneous information
the information state that vedic culture is 1500 BC that is false The Bhagavad Gita spoken 5000 years ago speaks of 4 ages on earth which total about 4 million years. The vedic culture ran through all 4 million years — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BDE2:12E0:2961:CFAC:F635:5DC (talk) 03:39, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia relies more on secular archaeology for history than on religious texts. See, for example, that our article on the Origin of life does not try to cite the Book of Genesis, nor does History of writing mention Thoth, nor does Agriculture mention Quetzalcoatl. This is not to say that the spiritual or philosophical teachings of those or any other religions are necessarily wrong, just that Wikipedia's treatment of history (and science and other topics) sides with secular academia. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Where exactly do the references come from?
On a page like this (New York Republican primary, 2016), where exactly do the references come from? Thanks. The very first reference says "linton and Trump" and it should say "Clinton and Trump". How does one fix that? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a complicated one. The article includes a section from a completely different page (deliberately) and the references from that section shows up. Opening the "List of Polls" Section, it shows [1] as being from the one on Emerson. That text is actually at Statewide opinion polling for the Republican Party presidential primaries, 2016. I've fixed it.Naraht (talk) 03:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The references are from the "List of Polls". I saw the missing "C" in the reference, but after clicking on the "show" to expand the polls, the reference was fixed and the "C" was still there after collapsing the list again.  This must be some kind of rendering problem but the underlying reference looks correct. MB (talk) 03:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I fixed the spelling error at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries%2C_2016&type=revision&diff=716322918&oldid=716265358 Naraht (talk) 04:41, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining this. And thanks for fixing this. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:41, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Problems with WiDaR
I thought about reporting it to WP:VPT, but I decided here. Anyway, I was teaching a class, ~15 students, and we wwanted to try the Wikipedia games, the WikiData game to be specific, which requires WiDaR. Half of the students if not more were not able to log in to Widar, it just kept refreshing and saying to log in again. I couldn't determine why: we all used Chrome, different laptops. About a third of students could do the game. I think the problem is on the Widar side, but I am not sure whom to report it to? PS. Please ping User:Piotrus when replying, tnx. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 04:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:VPT would probably be the better place to ask, however, someone here might know what's going on. -- The Voidwalker  Discuss 19:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Gibside
The opening lines (line 4) on this page are not correct - I don't think.Srbernadette (talk) 04:13, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Two edits on April 4 inexplicably removed some of the text. The previous version has been restored. MB (talk) 04:36, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Adding Category Box to the end of an article?
Hello, a group of us our working on a draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:National_Science_Museum_at_Maynooth We are trying to add a category box to the bottom of the article like the one that appears on the article for this museum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_History_Museum_(Ireland) I copied the code but it doesn't appear to have worked. Any suggestions on how to proceed would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AugusteBlanqui (talk • contribs) 07:42, 21 April 2016‎ (UTC)


 * Drafts don't go into categories, see WP:DRAFTNOCAT, so I have put a colon at the start of the category name to turn it into a link rather than a categorisaton. If the draft gets published, the reviewer will put it into the category at that time. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:05, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Fixing problems on contribution
I have attempted to improve a page as my first contribution. I have followed the bots' recommendation but there is still a message at the top of the page. Can anyone advise, please?

The page is 'Geeta Nargund'.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdJim (talk • contribs) 07:50, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . Many of the maintance templates such as those at the top of Geeta Nargund are automatically added but not automatically removed: if you think the issue is fixed, feel free to remove the template yourself! I assume you were talking about the External links template, so I have removed that from the page in question. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! — crh 23   &thinsp;(Talk) 09:18, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

greatest horror films list
as there are many film lists, could someone create a greatest horror film list — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamest3131 (talk • contribs) 08:25, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Probably not, because "greatest" is a purely subjective term. Wikipedia deals with facts supported by reliable sources, not opinions on the best things. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:04, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The dutch Wikipedia offers a list of big names in the article Horrorfilm, maybe that's an option?  O X Y G E N E 7-13  ( T A L K P A G E)  11:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Apparently not...  O X Y G E N E 7-13  ( T A L K P A G E)  17:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Recourse for abusive reverts with or without targeting/hazing
How does one bring attention to cases of users reverting additions or edits which are properly referenced, particularly when the reverter gives no reason or something like "reverted idiocy" and following contributors around wikipedia doing this? What I am wondering about here specifically is both arbitration in particular cases and where Terms of Use comes into play. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.95.62.15 (talk) 12:10, 21 April 2016‎ (UTC)
 * Step one, talk to the person and see if you can work things out with them directly. If that does not work, file at WP:ANI, but make sure there is a problem as both sides actions are evaluated.  -- GB fan 12:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Display option?
Hello. Is there a way to display "The Sphinx (Repplier)" in merely as "The Sphinx" (i.e., without disambiguation in the results). Thank you, Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:46, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Template:cite wikisource tells you how to do it.    will render as . --David Biddulph (talk) 14:55, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Overlooked it, Thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Start a wikipedia page
Hello,

I have been trying to get a biography approved for a doctor for the past couple of months and have not been successful. I was wondering if you recommend reaching out to an expert writer to increases the likeliness of the biography being approved in Wikipedia? If so, do you have any advice on how to approach a writer within the Wikipedia community? Do you think that is a good idea?

Thanks in advance! Nshsweb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nshsweb (talk • contribs) 14:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . Often, the reason for an article being rejected is not to do with the way the article is written, but more to do with the subject itself. Wikipedia only allows articles about things that are notable, which could be the problem you are having. If you could link to your draft, I may be able to help more and identify the problem you're having. See the your first article page for more information. — crh 23   &thinsp;(Talk) 15:11, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, if you are thinking of "reaching out to an expert writer", do you mean a volunteer writer or a paid writer? Some new Wikipedians come in thinking that the best way to get an article in Wikipedia is to hire a paid writer.  Wikipedia is very negative to paid writers, who are not neutral.  Also, if you are "trying to get a biography approved", do you mean that you are yourself affiliated with the doctor?  If so, you need to provide the conflict of interest disclosure, because Wikipedia is based on neutral point of view.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * If you merely want to reach out to other experienced volunteer editors, you have come here, which is a reasonable way to do that. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * , there are a collection of editors who are interested in writing and maintaining articles connected to medicine at WikiProject Medicine. You could perhaps seek advice on notability, and suitable sources for starting an article, with them to help decide whether it's possible to have an article about the doctor.  CaptRik (talk) 18:48, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on 2016 in American television
Reference help requested.

2016 Mid American Conference football season article needs more info

Thanks, 68.102.40.154 (talk) 14:59, 21 April 2016 (UTC) 2016 Mid American Conference football season article needs more info start The 2016 MAC Football Article 68.102.40.154 (talk) 14:59, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The error which was being flagged up at the time of that message on 18 March was that you had  instead of  .  It has been corrected subsequently. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:18, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

definition how to find a word by
is this available — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.45.186.41 (talk) 19:33, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I think Wiktionary would be more suitable for this, as Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Thanks, --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 19:38, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

alt text
Can somebody check if the alt text on the painting in the article of Eunice Dennie Burr is working for screen readers and those with images turned off, and if not fix it so it does, and either way let me know on my talk page? Thanks. The alt text should read: A portrait of Eunice Dennie Burr which was painted by John Singleton Copley circa 1758-1760, and is now at the Saint Louis Art Museum; it is titled Portrait of Eunice Dennie Burr. JaneSwifty (talk) 19:41, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The alt text is fine with images disabled (disabling images results in the image being replaced with a representation of the alt text). I would suggest trimming it down to something like; "Portrait of Eunice Dennie Burr, by John Singleton Copley (circa 1758-1760)." I set the image to display on the right, however, I would consider the use of an infobox. -- The Voidwalker  Discuss 20:06, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Help with Wikipedia
I Have Trouble Getting Making Catagories 68.102.40.154 (talk) 20:36, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, you can request a new category here: Article wizard/Category. Just follows the instructions. Gap9551 (talk) 20:43, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hi,  It's not quite clear from your question what exactly you're having trouble with, but I think you've inadvertently created several article talk pages instead of creating categories.  Does the information at Categorization help you?  If not, could you give us some more details about exactly what you're trying to do so we can best advise you.  CaptRik (talk) 20:44, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You have created talk pages like Talk:2016 Mountain West Conference football season. They will be deleted if no corresponding article exists. If it's articles like 2016 Mountain West Conference football season you want to create then see Articles for creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:05, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Can't find the incorrect ref formatting error
The page Anna Maria Luisa de' Medici is in Category:Pages_with_incorrect_ref_formatting but I can't see anything on the page showing an error. Can anyone see it, and/or let me know how you found it please? Thanks CaptRik (talk) 20:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure what happened, but it's not there anymore (and yes, I saw it too). -- The Voidwalker  Discuss 21:17, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Glad I'm not going totally crazy... thanks! CaptRik (talk) 21:20, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Johann Sebastian Bach
When I save an edit at Johann Sebastian Bach the page jumps around all weird. Not sure if this is the right place to bring it up, but I wondered if it was something that needs fixed. Kirk Leonard (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * If you don't get a good response here, I would suggest dropping a note on WP:VPT. They tend to have a better grasp on technical details over there. -- The Voidwalker  Discuss 23:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * A familiar and long-standing problem. Page load times for a large page with many images, boxes and banners can be many seconds and during this time, the expansion or sometimes contraction of any page elements north of the part you're looking at will cause this jumping behaviour. It may help, but only in part, to ensure that your own internet connection is as fast as possible Noyster (talk),  11:09, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Copyright question
Can a 19th century image still be under copyright? Image in question is from 1819 in London (UK). I know American images pre-1927 are no longer under copyright, does anyone know about this one? Joseph2302 (talk) 21:10, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * My understanding on this may be limited, however, I would look for another place to access the image, due to the website's copyright page. The original image my not have copyright, but the content from the site is protected. -- The Voidwalker  Discuss 23:27, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Since the image is so old, it could be public domain (despite the host claiming otherwise). I don't know though, I'm not an expert in these matters. Try asking at WP:IMAGEHELP instead. — crh 23   &thinsp;(Talk) 08:42, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd expect the engraving to be out of copyright. Whether a photo of the engraving has its own copyright is a different question.  (A photo of a sculpture would have a copyright for the photographer, a photo of a two dimensional work might be a reproduction rather than a new work but I wouldn't be willing to make a statement one way or another.) RJFJR (talk) 13:36, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a photo of a print from an engraving; photos of out-of copyright two-dimensional images are also non-copyright since they don't have sufficient creative input. A photo of the engraving plate itself might be copyright because it's technically three dimensional. I had a photo of a 4,000 year-old Egyptian bas relief ruled as copyright because it was carved, so not 2-D Jimfbleak - talk to me?  15:36, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I suggest asking at WP:MCQ, the place where folks familiar with copyright answer questions. RudolfRed (talk) 17:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll ask there. So if I can find a 2D image from that era, it wouldn't be copyrighted? Joseph2302 (talk) 17:46, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * If I take a digital photo of a 2-D document, I don't get a copyright. If I then load that file into my computer and use photoshop to edit and cleanup do I have a copyright to the edited file?  Sometimes?  RJFJR (talk) 21:09, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Joseph2302, that's my understanding, an old print, painting or text cannot normally give rise to a non-free reproduction. RJFJR, basic manipulations of the image wouldn't give you copyright. You would have to show that you had put in a enough creative input to, in effect, create a new work of art in its own right. RudolfRed, good idea Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  05:24, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

uploading IRS Form 990 and other documents legislatively mandated for wide public scrutiny
Can I upload IRS Form 990 tax filings and other documents legislatively mandated for wide public scrutiny? IRS Form 990 filings are collected by numerous websites. Once uploaded, how would I link to it? Thanks,Formulairis990 (talk) 23:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No. See Wikipedia is not a web hosting service.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Perhaps I should have been clearer, this is for the sources of accepted edits. Wikipedia is not a web hosting service doesn't appear to address this use case. I'm going to move this question to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions. Formulairis990 (talk) 17:21, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you want? Have the companies already uploaded their forms to Wikipedia, and do you want to download them to your own web site?  You may do that, but, if so, there is a question about the companies using Wikipedia for web hosting.  Have the companies properly uploaded the forms to their own web sites?  If so, do you want to download them to your own web site, or to Wikipedia?  You may do the former.  The latter would again be the use of Wikipedia for web hosting.  I don't entirely understand the question.   You may need to clarify it if you ask it at Media copyright questions also.  Your question isn't very clear.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I added an edit that refers to several Form 990 as sources. The problem is the links to these are not durable. Links to such files hosted by the nonprofit itself are problematic because a nonprofit may go out of existence; and nonprofits are only required to post the last 3 years of filings, so a link to the oldest form 990 can go dead in short time. There are websites that collect form 990, like Pro Publica, but currently their links map directly to a storage system, so if they change storage, all the urls will go dead en mass; while another website moved their collection to behind a paywall.
 * As a solution I thought I could just upload the files referred to, just as images and music files are uploaded. In looking at part 2 in Wikipedia is not a web hosting service I interpreted that to mean that pdfs that are not copyrighted can be uploaded.Formulairis990 (talk) 19:14, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid not, . The problem is that, even if there is no copyright issue, there is no provenance for an arbitrary upload. Unless it has been published (to the web) by a reliable agency (such as a major newspaper, or a reputable publisher) we have no way of knowing whether it is genuine, or whether it has been surreptitiously altered. That is why we normally require that all references be published. --ColinFine (talk) 18:30, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, ColinFine. Formulairis990 (talk) 19:46, 24 April 2016 (UTC)