Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 August 26

= August 26 =

Technical issue / glitch with Special:Watchlist
I use both the Special:Watchlist on de: and en:. With de: all is okay, but there is a glitch with the en: Special:Watchlist : When I load the page, the not yet seen changed pages are first drawn in bold, but when the page is loaded completely, the results in bold all change by themselves into results in non-bold, so I cannot distinguish these anymore from the already seen pages. With de:, the results in bold stay bold. Why is that so and how do I get rid of that glitch? When I reload the en: Special:Watchlist every time the not yet seen changes are again drawn in bold, but again, as soon as the page is loaded completely (that is, after a very short time), the results drawn in bold are all changed into regular results, and at least it looks like that the loaded page gets loaded once more, and this 2nd load then removes the results in bold. (There is no such thing as a 2nd (unneeded) load of that page for the de: variant of Special:Watchlist) Any ideas why that is? Dietmar Lettau (talk) 03:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I wanted to add: the size change drawn in bold, or the legend (that seems to be for me in German in the en: Special:Watchlist) like K for kleine Änderungen (small changes) or N (for neue Seite / new page/new article) all stay bold, just the marker for not yet seen changed pages get reverted) Dietmar Lettau (talk) 03:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The English Wikipedia has chosen to remove the bolding by default. Enable "Display pages on your watchlist that have changed since your last visit in bold" at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:40, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but when it was disabled, why does at first the pages loads with the changes in bold but reloads with bold changes removed instead of just loading once without changes marked? Dietmar Lettau (talk) 10:54, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Gadgets can only make JavaScript and CSS which run in your browser after a page has loaded. It's only loaded once from our servers and the MediaWiki default is bolding. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:08, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * In this case there are actually two opposite gadgets. The MediaWiki software comes with bolding and no builtin option to remove the bold. The English Wikipedia removes bolding in MediaWiki:Gadget-WatchlistBase.css, a gadget enabled by default and saying "(This loads the base style for the watchlist. Please do not disable this option.)" Another gadget MediaWiki:Gadget-WatchlistChangesBold.css can then override the first gadget and make bolding again with "Display pages on your watchlist that have changed since your last visit in bold (see customizing watchlists for more options)". PrimeHunter (talk) 11:13, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

┌──────────────────────────────────────────┘ That explains what looks like a 2nd loading... Cheers.Dietmar Lettau (talk) 11:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

How should I use this source in an article?
I'm thinking about using this PBS timeline in an article as a source, but how would I link to or point to a specific point on the timeline? --MorbidEntree - (Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥) (please reply using &#x7B;&#x7B;ping&#x7D;&#x7D;) 05:03, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Since this hasn't been responded to yet, I'll give it a go. What I would do is simply use  template for the webpage, with  a note in the 'location' parameter.
 * E.g:
 * However, the colon in the cite web template suggests that the 'location' parameter refers to the publisher, not the information; but otherwise, the citation can be augmented to refer to a location within the timeline, e.g:   --which renders:    Your additional info here
 * I hope this helps --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:1821:CD59:E35A:CB68 (talk) 02:37, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Upload photos
I am working within the National Registry of Historical Places of which my Great-great Grandfather had built the first round barn east of the Mississippi. The listing at   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Johnson_Count does not have an image. it allows for a Link click to do so. when i click on it, thinking it would be a simple attachment with my photos, but it takes to the wikimedia. I am far from an expert here, and it looks like anything within this world of wikidome takes a seasoned user, but i did get pictures loaded and there were instances where i could see that Johnson County, or National Registry appeared during the process, so I assumed that I was attaching to the space provided in the registry. Right now I am stuck being an Wikidiot. No where to go and no way to attach the picture where it looks so easy on the outside of the book cover, but it lead me into unexpected territory trying to work with this photo attempt that the Registry uses to upload photos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David II (talk • contribs) 06:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, . If you took the photo yourself, then go to Wikimedia Commons. Take a look at the menu on the left side of the home page, and select "Upload file". That will take you to a wizard which should walk you through the process of uploading your photo. Once you have done so, the file information page will give you a number of choices at the top, including one to use the image on Wikipedia. When you click on that choice, it will display the wikicode. Copy that code, and paste it into the right place in the edit window for the article you mentioned above. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  07:04, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, you have successfully uploaded three photos to Commons. In order to add those to an article you would type Joseph Miller Barn - first round barn east of the Mississippi.jpg , and what would display in the article would be what you see at right. I am concerned, however, about these images, especially the charcoal drawing.  You claim all three of them as your own work, yet you note that the drawing was made by "Artist Sherry Newsome".  Unless you are Sherry Newsome, you should not claim that drawing as your own work.  Likewise, the photos of the barn.  Did you take the photos of the barn yourself?  Also, when (what year) was the drawing made or the photos taken?  It is important to properly label images to prevent copyright violations. I can help you with this, but I need more information. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 14:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Major General Jonathan Hall CB OBE DL
Major-General Jonathan Hall CB OBE DL (As at August 2016)

Jonathan Hall, who was educated at Taunton School and the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst, was a professional soldier for thirty-five years, reaching the rank of major- general. His last serving appointment was General Officer Commanding the Army in Scotland and Governor of Edinburgh Castle. He saw service in many parts of the world including Germany, Cyprus, Canada, Libya, Singapore, and Northern Ireland. He commanded his regiment, the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, and 12th Armoured Brigade. He is a graduate of the Army Staff College (1977), the Higher Command and Staff Course (1988) and the Royal College of Defence Studies (1991). He was appointed in 1999 a member of Her Majesty’s Body Guard of the Honourable Corps of Gentlemen at Arms and was involved in the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee celebrations. He was promoted Standard Bearer in August 2012; he retired from the Body Guard in August 2014.

On leaving the Army in 1997, he was selected for the post of Lieutenant Governor (CEO equivalent), Accounting Officer and ex-officio Commissioner of the Royal Hospital, Chelsea. During his eight years in that appointment, he was responsible, inter alia, for producing a strategic plan for the re-development of the hospital as well as increasing income by opening the facilities of the Hospital for commercial gain. He was instrumental in setting up a fund-raising campaign/appeal to raise £35 million for the creation of a new all-purpose care home and the much-needed refurbishment of the sheltered accommodation for the Chelsea Pensioners. Since then he has been involved with several national charities as a management consultant with Compton Fundraising Limited. Recently he successfully helped the charity for blind ex-service members, St Dunstan’s (now known as Blind Veterans UK), raise £5 million for a new rehabilitation and respite centre in North Wales. He remains actively involved in fund-raising activities, currently with Royal Trinity Hospice, Clapham.

He was appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in 1987, an Officer of the Order of St John (OStJ) (Scottish Priory) in 1997, a Companion of the Bath (CB) in 1998, Knight Commander of the Order of Francis 1 in 2014 and Deputy Lieutenant of Dorset in 2010. He was Chairman of the Commissioners of Queen Victoria School, Dunblane from 1995 to 1997, a member of the Edinburgh Military Tattoo Board from 1995 to 1997, Colonel Commandant of the Royal Army Veterinary Corps from 1995 to 2001 and Colonel of the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards from 1998 to 2003. He is a fellow of the Chartered Management Institute and Honorary Associate member of the British Veterinary Association. He was from 2007 to 2010 a designated member of the BVA Ethics and Welfare group. He was a lay-member of the Ethical Review Process Committee of Imperial College, London from 2002 to 2009. He was a trustee of the Army Museums Ogilby Trust from 2003 to 2014. He has been a trustee of the Victoria Cross and George Cross Benevolent Fund since 2003. He was a Governor of Taunton School (2007 to 2016) as well as a Governor of Blind Veterans UK (St Dunstan’s). He is a Freeman of the City of London and a liveryman of the Worshipful Company of Farriers. He was also Vice President of the Army Benevolent Fund in Dorset (2008 to 2016). He was a Vice Patron of the 65th Anniversary Appeal of the National Association of Almshouses. He is a patron since 2016 of ExFor+, an organisation that helps ex -service members find employment. He was a member of the Sherborne Parochial Church Council from 2006 to 2016 and is still involved with the Sherborne Abbey Festival. He was the County Chairman of the St John Council, Dorset from 2009 to 2011. Finally, as a member since 1968, he was a trustee of the Cavalry and Guards Club from 2005 until 2014. He is a member of the MCC and Somerset County Cricket Club. He is a member of Pratt’s. Jonathan Hall has been married for forty-eight years to Sarah. They have two daughters and four grandchildren. He lives in Dorset.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathan MFC Hall (talk • contribs) 10:02, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * This isn't the place for article text, so I have supressed its display. Please read WP:Your first article, and particularly the need for references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:08, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * If this is related to the existing article Jonathan Hall (British Army officer), and if you have a conflict of interest, then the place to make suggested improvements is Talk:Jonathan Hall (British Army officer), supported by references as mentioned in my previous reply. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I have removed the names of General Hall's children and grandchildren from the article, as I believe is encouraged by both Wikipedia policy and the above request. Maproom (talk) 14:34, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Submitting a page
Hi there, I've created a new page in my sandbox but I can't work out how to submit it for review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keithmcguinness (talk • contribs) 10:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I've added a userspace draft template, which gives you a button to submit for review when you are ready. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keithmcguinness (talk • contribs) 10:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Searching edit summaries
Is it possible to search for a phrase or word within an edit summary? Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:53, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can use this to search edit summaries. Fuortu (talk) 11:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Excellent - thanks. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:03, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Watchlist messages
A while ago, I read that it was possible to prevent messages from appearing on my watchlist by adding #watchlist-message { display: none; } to my vector.css page. I did this and the messages stopped. Lately, though, they've been coming back again. I think they are mainly, perhaps exclusively, notices of current RFAs. I haven't made any changes to vector.css. Does anyone know why this is happening, and if I can stop the messages from appearing again? Thank you, --Viennese Waltz 12:00, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Try .watchlist-message { display: none; }. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:25, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll try that and come back here if they still keep reappearing. --Viennese Waltz 12:36, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Article name change - "The" removed from company/charity name plus other edits
Please could someone who knows more about this than me review these changes by an experienced editor ? - Sorry if I've posted this in the wrong place - I always find it difficult knowing where to post questions. -- John (Daytona2 &middot;&#32; Talk &middot;&#32; Contribs) 14:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Article on the UK charity & company, officially named The Twentieth Century Society, has been moved to Twentieth Century Society citing WP:THE. So both official sources and branding (Website title and also the society's About page) use "The". Do WP rules really overule this ? Edit Charities Commission registration & documents Companies House registration & documents.
 * These changes were made under the guise of a minor edit.
 * Adding references to unreferenced text and removing challenges that do not support the text eg "In 1992, the society changed its name to the Twentieth Century Society," when the ref says "in 1992 it was decided that we should be renamed The Twentieth Century Society." and "it was felt by Marcus Binney, John Harris and Sir Simon Jenkins that much more needed to be done." when the ref says they "felt that it represented a whole body of important architecture of the period that deserved more sympathetic assessment."

Image upload
Howdy, Folks. Image uploads have always been a conundrum for me here on Wikipedia. There are so many different avenues in which to upload images and countless categories to file them under that if one does not find that exact perfect match, the image is rejected and deleted. Recently, I created an article for an Oscar Peterson album and wanted to upload the cover. Since it was merely a duplicate for the Clef Records series already uploaded to other article pages: Oscar Peterson Plays Harold Arlen (1955) and Oscar Peterson Plays Duke Ellington (1952), I thought there wouldn't be any problem in uploading the exact same image used for Oscar Peterson Plays George Gershwin (1952). Obviously, I was mistaken (since it was deleted) and that I had simply not uploaded it through the correct channels that met with Wikipedia standards for copyright. Could someone please advise and direct me as to how I might be able to upload this image correctly in the same fashion that the other images were successfully uploaded? Thank you in advance. Maineartists (talk) 14:49, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * For album covers,
 * go to WP:UPLOAD
 * use the upload wizard
 * on Step 3, choose "This is copyrighted..."
 * use the fourth radio button down labeled "This is the official cover art..."
 * Assuming that you've filled in everything else, that should allow you to upload a cover image without getting it deleted. † Dismas †|(talk) 15:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The problem was that, whereas the other two album covers that you mention were uploaded to English Wikipedia under a non-free use rationale, you had uploaded the album cover to Wikimedia Commons as if it were free of copyright. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:18, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Awesome! Dismas! & David Biddulph! What do you mean, you're not an "image expert"? Wow! THANKS! Maineartists (talk) 15:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * per your advice and direction Dismas, I uploaded the image Oscar_Peterson_Plays_George_Gershwin.png and filled in all the information using the same terms as the other image uploads for the same cover art. I hope it is correct this time. Thanks again! Maineartists (talk) 15:40, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Looks good as far as licensing is concerned. My only concern is the quality of the image. Notice how the other two that you reference are both 300x300 pixels or less. You might want to save a lower res version and upload that over the current one. There is a link near the bottom of the file page to upload a new version. There might also be a bot that goes around doing this too. I'm not sure on that though.  † Dismas †|(talk) 17:41, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Why did the release templates get removed from Firefox for Android?
I have a problem. Lately, Comp.arch renamed the article as Firefox for Android, but he forgot to rename the Latest stable software release and latest preview software release templates. I suppose they must have vanished from the article. Can you please fix this and rename the templates? --Angeldeb82 (talk) 15:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I have moved and updated the templates. The infobox now uses them correctly. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:28, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for your help. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 23:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Cross wiki upload problems
I'm trying to upload an image to an article "Marjorie Lynn" and keep getting the Abuse Filter warning. Can you help me?

Dr. Grampinator (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems like you are trying to use the cross wiki upload tool. You need to use Special:Upload or the File Upload Wizard.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

My page was marked for deletion
I created a page yesterday because I found that it satisfied the requirements to be its own page. It was extracted from a larger, lengthy page, but has issues of its own. However, today the page was marked for deletion, with no rationale cited. I've asked this user to discuss in the talk page. In the meantime, I'm not sure that I've set up the talk page well, but want to make sure to moderate this discussion process appropriately. The page I created is at MBTA Subway. Thanks Tylr00 (talk) 17:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)Tylr00
 * It is being discussed here: Articles for deletion/MBTA Subway – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:21, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, when you re-use Wikipedia content in other Wikipedia articles, you should read Copying within Wikipedia and Splitting. One necessary step is to provide proper attribution of the "parent" article and its contributors. There are various methods and templates available for this, more information is in the linked guidelines. GermanJoe (talk) 17:31, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you Finnusertop, GermanJoe Tylr00 (talk) 17:39, 26 August 2016 (UTC)Tylr00
 * It is frustrating to have a page nominated for deletion, but it isn't entirely accurate to say that it was marked for deletion "with no rationale cited". The rationale for deletion is in the deletion discussion.  As a new editor, you may not have been aware that that is where the rationale is outlined.  Also, it is a good idea, before taking any major action on an existing article, such as splitting it, to discuss the action on the article talk page.  Also, there are attribution issues, as mentioned above.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:43, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Prudence and Strickler originals
Prudence and Strickler originals company's history information was removed from Wikipedia websit.

Prudence and Strickler originals was founded in 1957 by the Philadelphia leather designer duo Prudence and Edward Strickler. Together they created couture leather garments for internationally known musical icons and actors, as well as select private clients from 1957 to 1981. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:47:4100:E6F8:4553:B1D8:F007:FD3F (talk) 17:58, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Which of our five million Wikipedia articles are you talking about, IP user? I can find no evidence that there has ever been an artile called "Prudence and Strickler originals". --ColinFine (talk) 18:43, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I searched special:undelete for titles starting with prudence, draft:prudence, and for AFC prefixes, and then for the word strickler appearing in the last 30,000 deletions – nada.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:26, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Article subtitles on mobile
Consider the article Ohio. When viewed using the Wikipedia mobile app, it appears with the subtitle, "State of the United States of America." When viewed using a desktop browser, however, this text does not appear. In fact, that string of text appears nowhere in the article's source text. Where does this subtitle come from? Christopher Ursich (talk) 18:07, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Presumably from Q1397. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, David. Do you know what establishes the association between the article and the Wikidata entry?  In the article I find no reference to "1397," and in the Wikidata entry I find no precise reference to the article.
 * Christopher Ursich (talk) 18:24, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The Wikidata record Q1397 links to 168 different Wikipedias in its "Wikipedia" section, . --ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't pay attention to the sidebar. That is surely it.  Thanks for your help.  Christopher Ursich (talk) 19:03, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As an unrelated aside, interesting that Ohio is a featured article in the Spanish Wikipedia, but not in the English.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  01:15, 28 August 2016 (UTC)