Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 December 18

= December 18 =

Removal of Commons template
A file I uploaded a couple of years ago (File:MellinsAirship.jpg) had the copyright tag changed from my original PD-US-1923-abroad to PD-Old. I believe the PD-Old tag is incorrect, as the image was first published in 1902 and the photographer is unknown, so they may very well have still been alive in 1970 or even 1980. I've changed the tag back to the correct one. However, since the re-tagging, a user has in good faith added the Copy to Wikimedia Commons template (which hasn't been actioned, obviously). Is it OK for me just to remove this template, or is a more formal process necessary? Tevildo (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course it is alright. The file won't likely be transferred anyways due to the do not copy to commons tag. --Majora (talk) 00:54, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks - the template has been removed. Tevildo (talk) 01:10, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Tevildo, how is this not a case of PD-UK-unknown? Judging by the WorldCat records, this looks like a UK publication, and if the magazine failed to attribute the author, I don't see how we could identify the author.  Nyttend (talk) 01:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, the photograph is signed with a monogram ("ASMB", or possibly "ACMB"), so the photographer is (in principle) identifiable - would such identification be too much work to be considered a "reasonable" enquiry? If so, then the UK-unknown template is better, and the photo can go to Commons.  Tevildo (talk) 10:06, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't realise that was a monogram. You could go through all the other issues of the magazine and put together some identification (e.g. some earlier issue "We welcome photographer Arthur Charles Montague Baker" to our staff), or you could go through all the other issues to prove that he never came up again, so either way you've not done enough (I'm guessing) to establish it as anonymous.  Nyttend (talk) 14:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on S-CRY-ed
Reference help requested.

How do I fix this issue I made here. I think it is based on the magazine reference.

Thanks, Tintor2 (talk) 01:48, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The error message says "Unknown parameter |month= ignored". "Month" is not a parameter to CITE JOURNAL.  You can identify the specific issue with the DATE, VOLUME, and ISSUE parameters. MB 01:55, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * 'Cite journal' has been superseded by Template:Cite magazine for non-academic publications. Eagleash (talk) 02:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

"at least X years old"
Is there an age template that can supply an age in years without requiring a specific starting date and without producing a range of years? Würzburger Stein includes a sentence beginning "An unopened bottle from the 1540 vintage, making it at least 472 years old...", which dates the statement to 2012. Of course, this is now four years out of date, and I don't want it to get out of date again, so I checked Age in years, but it's meant for individuals with birth dates that simply aren't provided; 0 years results in 0 years, and I'd like something that produces just the minimum age, so the code for this sentence could read:"...1540 vintage, making it at least [template] old..."Do we have any templates that do just this, or templates with this as one of their features? Nyttend (talk) 01:51, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * If you know the exact vintage then you could just use the age template as at the end of that year. So "at least 483 " gives "at least 483".  Would that suit what you need? --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Interesting idea. This is just what I wanted; thanks!  Nyttend (talk) 14:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion recreation
Feelance was deleted under G11 on April 3, and Feelance Co. on April 4. It was created again as Feelance co. on Oct 10, which I just speedied again. Is there something else that should be done to prevent this SPA from creating this a fourth time? MB 06:52, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * It can be salted which requires Admin. involvement. File a request at WP:RFPP. Eagleash (talk) 11:21, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Eagleash, no point to that; salting prevents recreation of a specific title, and even one character of difference (Co. vs co.) avoids the salting — Feelance (company), for example, is not affected by salting the others. Since this was all the same user over a long period of time, and the user's done nothing else, I decided that it was uw-spamblock time.  Nyttend (talk) 14:26, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know it's case sensitive, so it would be sensible to add variations if applying for protection. However, a spamblock seems the best way. 15:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

pasport date is expiry lockt up in hin hungary for 37 days
hi my name is zati i m holding indefinintly remaining no limit stay in england i had this resident perminent on refuge status on 02 04 2003 i left dover border 38 days ago and i didnt know that my pasport date was expired also uk border officcers didnt told me nothing about it than i went to hungary i have arressted by hungaryin officcers they put me in deporting centre for last 37 days they not asking me from uk immigration they keeping lockt up in city call kiskunhalas i have rigt to stay in uk but they dont deporting me back to uk i cant get information from them i have home officce pasport valid driving licence with me i realy want to they contact with uk immigration than deport me back immediately i have been lockt up for so long i realy need help to go back to uk [redacted] thank you verymuch  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.82.36.47 (talk) 08:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry for your situation, but you have posted this on the Wikipedia help desk. We have no way of helping you. --ColinFine (talk) 10:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Redacting the contact information. If it is legitimate, Wikipedia is not the right place to post, and if it is not, we should not help a scammer. Tigraan Click here to contact me 12:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Citations doubling up
Hi there,

I am trying to add certain references multiple times in an article, and it comes up in the reference list as a new reference each time.

Is anyone able to assist with this?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutritionscience1 (talk • contribs) 10:23, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello . The way to do this is explained here: Help:Referencing_for_beginners – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Finnusertop — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutritionscience1 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

wrong title
Hi, I would like to edit the title of my article, please advise me how to do that.

Many thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dobritroti (talk • contribs)
 * Please, see WP:MOVE. Ruslik_ Zero 19:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * But as your account is not WP:Autoconfirmed you cannot move a page, so need to request it at Requested moves - Arjayay (talk) 20:01, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * For the record, Dobritroti created an article at Theatre of the senses which has been deleted for other reasons. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:26, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Title format
Can someone please have a look here and edit the title to Choice magazine ? The magazine infobox seems to be overriding. Thanks! Spicemix (talk) 18:54, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Deor (talk) 19:04, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Learning how to edit
I have been looking in the internet for videos to help me edit on Wikipedia. Any recommendations? Jgreyes (talk) 19:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There are some available at Instructional materials, with YouTube and other videos linked in the following subsections. Deor (talk) 20:23, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input On Queensborough Bridge. The Proper term is Borough. There is NO SUCH word as boro. It is NOT in any dictionary!
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Maincable 2 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm not clear what this "post" relates to, but if you look here the first meaning of boro, as a noun, is "Alternative spelling of borough" - Arjayay (talk) 19:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It is not listed in Websters Dictionary. Very poor use of the English language. boro is just a cheap way of spelling Borough correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maincable 2 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That doesn't alter the fact that the actual name of the New York bridge is Queensboro Bridge. I'm sorry if the name offends your sense of linguistic decorum. There is a Queensborough Bridge in Canada, though. Deor (talk) 22:17, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * is possibly asking whether Queensboro Bridge in New York uses this spelling officially, and the answer appears to be "yes, that is the official spelling."   D b f i r s   22:16, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) I looked at Special:Contributions/Maincable 2 and guess you refer to [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Queensboro_Bridge&diff=prev&oldid=755550311]. The bridge is officially called "Ed Koch Queensboro Bridge" as for example seen at http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/infrastructure/queensboro-bridge.shtml. The article doesn't even say "boro" is a word, it just says the name of a bridge. Your edit also made other errors and has been reverted. Regardless what the bridge is called, the file is called File:Queensboro Bridge from Manhattan side.jpg and wouldn't have been displayed after your edit even if it hadn't broken the entire infobox. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I am producing a coffee table book on New York's Bridges and the Only spelling will be Queensborough. Sorry . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maincable 2 (talk • contribs) 02:24, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * You are perfectly welcome to be incorrect, just not to add incorrect information to Wikipedia articles. I encourage you to review the multiple cited sources at the article which show that its official spelling includes Queensboro, and has since it opened in 1909.  General Ization   Talk   02:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * ... but I hope that the editor of your book corrects your error before publication, otherwise you will get lots of letters of complaint.   D b f i r s   10:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * See http://arvadahoundz.com/images/nyc_queensboro_br_detail.jpg from the bridge itself. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:38, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Paid editing
Hi there - I am needing a wikipedia page set up for my charities Gynaecological Cancer Funds award winning campaign - Lady Garden - and searched for someone on the internet UK to help me with this. I contacted a man called Mark Bray who has a company called Wiki Wizards. He invoiced me for half payment up front and when I asked for security reasons to pay via PayPal he completely disappeared. I think he maybe a fraudster. IS there someone I can report this to? Thanks Alabama73 (talk) 21:24, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia pages should never be "set up for" any subject. Companies such as Wizards of Wiki are not popular with the volunteers here on Wikipedia, but this company seems to understand Wikipedia and claims to take its obligations seriously regarding WP:Paid editing and WP:Conflict of interest.  If they just do Google searches for WP:Reliable sources and summarise these using a neutral point of view, then perhaps they can help you to create a good article about your charity if it is notable in the Wikipedia sense.  Please be aware that anything they write is likely to be changed by other volunteer editors here.  Volunteers here will also help you to write an article without charge.  If you think you have been defrauded, then Trading Standards is the place to report this.     D b f i r s   21:59, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * In the interests of openness and transparency, could you please let us know what connections, if any, you have with Mika Simmons, the Gynaecological Cancer Fund, the Lady Garden Campaign, and ? Thank you.    D b f i r s   12:21, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * It sounds like a potential fraud - almost all genuine Wikipedians are volunteers, who do not get paid for any of their editing. There's probably not a lot Wikipedia/Wikimedia can do about people offering to write paid articles, but you might be able to get advice by contacting Wikimedia, info-en@wikimedia.org. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:43, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * How do we know how many of our "volunteers" are actually being paid as consultants by companies such as this? (My guess is not many, but how can we know?)  My research suggests that WizardsofWiki is not fraudulent because it has been going for over four years and I can trace a name, address and mobile phone number (but not a landline).  That's not to say that their product is good value, I don't know whether it is or it isn't, but if you have money to spare in your charity ....    D b f i r s   13:22, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Main page / Did you know section
At the bottom of the DID YOU KNOW section is: ... that Cheshire Cheese may be found in Essex? The hyperlink goes to a pub called Cheshire Cheese instead of the article ABOUT Cheshire Cheese. Link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_cheese — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4001:8E8:1C3A:261A:3F0D:7E5E (talk) 21:35, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a possibly silly type of fun but not wrong. It says:


 * ... that Cheshire Cheese may be found in Essex?
 * Also follow the "Essex" link. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:48, 18 December 2016 (UTC)