Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 December 6

= December 6 =

Michel's Patisserie Logo
Hi,

We are wanting to update the logo on the Michel's Patisserie page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel%27s_Patisserie

We're unable to upload the correct file, please help. the new logo can be found here https://www.michels.com.au/

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AshRFG (talk • contribs) 00:30, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. The image I uploaded has a low resolution, but on Wikipedia, we use only the minimal amount of non-free images. If you want to allow Wikipedia and the rest of the world to distribute a high-resolution version, please read WP:DCM. Tigraan Click here to contact me 12:26, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

"Murder of ..." article titles
What are Wikipedia guidelines for article titles based on murder? For example, "Murder of ..." Mitchumch (talk) 00:33, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:NPOVTITLE likely covers your question. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 00:41, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 01:02, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * For some discussion, interpretation and application of guidelines, see Talk:Ramona Moore homicide, Talk:Little Miss Nobody case, Talk:Death of Ingrid Lyne or, more generally, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography/Archive 4. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:07, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

suggesting an article
I work for St. Anne's Guest Home, an assisted living type facility with an interesting and, I would say, important history here in Grand Forks, North Dakota. The facility was formerly (prior to the early '80s) located at what used to be a hospital and is now an apartment building. There is still some confusion with people as to where the current location is. I think it would be nice for Wikipedia to have an article about our facility, which serves the elderly and vulnerable. This is because of: the important work done here, the interesting history, and the confusion still in some people's minds over location, even after so many years. Because of my position as a staff member here, however, I would not be advised to write an article because of the conflict of interest policy. If anyone else would write an article, or offer my any suggestion, I would appreciate it. Our website, which offers more information is: www.stannesguesthome.org. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stannesguesthome (talk • contribs) 03:21, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello The place to suggest an article is Requested articles. All articles must be based almost exclusively on significant coverage in independent reliable sources like newspapers and magazines (not press releases, business directory listings, or mere mentions). If such coverage exists, it might help if you listed it in your requested articles nomination. If it does not exist, an article is impossible. I haven't looked for coverage, but frankly I think most guest homes would not qualify. —teb728 t c 10:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia is being mentioned
This probably isn't the best place to put this but where is?

BBC Woman's Hour is right now discussing lying about one's age. Several of the speakers have mentioned Wikipedia as, in effect, there no longer is any point in attempting to conceal such biographical details. Should this info about Wikipedia be added to Wikipedia? Where? Carbon Caryatid (talk) 10:19, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:PRESS would be the best place to start - X201 (talk) 10:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

UNPROTECT A PAGE
HOW I CAN DO THIS


 * You may request unprotection of a page here. Please sign your posts (using ~ ) and please don't type in all capital letters Noyster (talk),  11:07, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Narrative psychology
PLEASE DISREGARD ANY CONTRIBUTIONS OF MINE TO THE NARRATIVE PSYCHOLOGY PAGE. IF YOU CAN PLEASE EDIT OUT ALL MATERIAL USING THE NAME JOHN MCKINNON IN IT. THANK YOU. JOHN MCKINNON (talk) 11:44, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * First, please STOP WRITING IN ALL CAPS. I changed the title of that thread. While it is technically feasible to WP:Rollback all your edits, simply requesting it is not grounds to do so - as the editing box indicates, every time you make an edit, you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL which means anyone can reuse it even without your consent.
 * This being said, I suspect most of your contributions have been reverted already, as can be seen in the page history. Tigraan Click here to contact me 12:06, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * In you deleted a talk page thread including another editor's contribution. This is not permitted, and your edit has therefore been reverted. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:20, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Kolkata Christmas Festival edit help
I've written an article titled "Kolkata Christmas Festival". But it is showing that the article is a candidate for "speedy deletion". I would like it if someone tells me what needs edited to enable acceptance of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anushtup (talk • contribs) 12:41, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I intended to remove that "speedy deletion" tag because it was inappropriate, but it was removed by someone else already.
 * However, your article might still get deleted by the standard, "slow" process if the topic is found to not be "notable". On Wikipedia, this means "has been discussed at length by reliable sources independent of the subject". (That is a summary of our guidelines, click on the blue links to learn more). No amount of editing will overcome a lack of notability; but you are more than welcome to source carefully the article to show the subject is notable if it indeed is; see WP:REFB for how to do so. Do not hesitate to come back if you have further questions. Tigraan Click here to contact me 15:20, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Editing the page for a publicly listed company
Hi,

I am a PR officer representing a publicly listed company called Oxford BioMedica. It appears the existing page is very out of date. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_BioMedica

Please can you let me know how we can go about updating the factual information?

Kind regards,

Laura Thornton

Laura Thornton Executive Consultant Consilium Strategic Communications — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.237.232.130 (talk) 15:08, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The appropriate way to request edits for articles for which you have a conflict of interest is to make your request on the article's talk page, including references for the information you would like added, removed, or changed. Copy and paste the text:, along with your comment and it will be added to the list of requested edits. The project is usually backlogged, so you may not have a quick response, but a volunteer will address your request in time.


 * The best way to successfully complete this is to be as specific as possible with your request, and proivide reliable sources to back up the information. Requests that are not specific or sourced will likely be declined. Timothy Joseph Wood  15:16, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Stephanie Retuya
I have nominated Stephanie Retuya for deletion. Three days have gone by and nobody has voted in the AfD. One AfD discussion I created (Articles for deletion/Malta's Top Model (2nd nomination)) went eight days without votes, so I embedded an RfC in it but was told to remove it by another user. Is there another way I can request votes? Thanks and regards, Linguist  Moi?  Moi.  16:22, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There are topical lists to which AFD proposals can be added, click through from deletion template you added to the article.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:07, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thank you! Linguist  Moi?  Moi.  16:52, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Online sources
Hi, Can The Sun, Daily Mirror, Irish Mirror and MTV be used as reliable sources for BLPs ?,

I recall someone somewhere saying tabloids and MTV shouldn't be used however I have no idea where it was and I'm not entirely sure what should and shouldn't be used so figured I'd come & get some clarification, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 17:08, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * They can be used but with caution because they are less reliable than non-tabloid newspapers. Ruslik_ Zero 17:26, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The question refers to an AFD, Articles for deletion/Vincenzo Pellegrino about soap opera, TV and stage actor Vincenzo Pellegrino who is covered fairly extensively in the British press. I see no reason to believe that the articles being discussed at the AFD were "online" and not in print editions; in the discussion, Davey2010 dismisses them "tabloids".  Nor am I clear why this minor actor was borught to AFD, instead of being merely tagged of sourcing.  But, to return to the point, daily newspapers are reliable on material like authored theatre reviews, roles an actor plays on TV, articles about those TV shows. and the like.  And, certainly, profiles that run in a daily paper can be used for neutral stuff, like discussions of an actor's career.  Even when those daily papers publish online editions.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:47, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * - Tagging as "unsourced" is pointless because the template just sits there and the article doesn't get sourced however this wasn't the reason for me taking it to AFD, So just to make sure I'm correct and am not missing anything here - Those listed above can be used to source articles (ofcourse with caution)?, Sorry for sounding thick but this is all new to me so I'd rather double check here, Thanks. – Davey 2010 Talk 21:32, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Correct. Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Brilliant thank you, Right I'll add those to the article, Thanks both of you for your help. – Davey 2010 Talk 21:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Forcing "new lines" within a wikitable cell
Hi, I want to make a table where the first header column can be forcibly segmented into new lines. However, I am having trouble (using  within a wikitable doesn't work as expected):

I want "query1", "query2", and "query3" to be all in the same column with their respective "syntaxes". Please help! WinterSpw (talk) 17:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Maproom (talk) 17:54, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! However, I would like to know how the " | | query 1 " and " | | query 2 " work to resolve into the second column. <:| WinterSpw (talk) 18:16, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The second pipe is not necessary. The space between the two single pipes is cell attributes but if it's empty then it can just be omitted. This gives the same result:


 * PrimeHunter (talk) 18:36, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Aha, thank you for the swift responses. WinterSpw (talk) 19:50, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Font name
What is the name of the font used in the logo in the top left corner.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia_logos should answer your question. Tigraan Click here to contact me 17:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:48, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Taxononomy related question
When a family contains only a single genus should the genus name be a redirect to the family article? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:02, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Problem solved at WT:WikiProject Tree of Life. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 23:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

2017 College Football conference templates
We only have one Template but when will we see more templates hopefully next week But I Hope your not lazy because you need to get your lazy Butts in gear now.2600:8803:7A00:19:6C15:3666:2520:F2E8 (talk) 18:42, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Anonymous user. If you think there is something missing, how about just creating it, or asking in a relevant forum such as WT:WikiProject American football, rather than gratuitously insulting several thousand people. --ColinFine (talk) 19:03, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Is my signature acceptable?
Hi. There's nothing saying anything about using emoji in the signature guidelines, so I wanted to get a consensus: Is my signature acceptable? I feel like it's fairly clear. As well, it renders by default in Firefox, and just about any browser/OS combo that supports emoji. And non-latin characters are allowed in usernames, so I figured emoji wouldn't be going too far based on previous consensus. I just want to hear if other people feel the same about this as me, or if they have an objection to it and why. Thanks! – 🐈? (talk) 19:59, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I would be a little iffy on that, it may not render on some browsers without the kind of support that Chrome or Firefox has...like Internet Explorer. I still have IE 11 and I'll report the results of the backwards testing of the emojii in a couple of moments.&mdash; JJ Be rs  &#124;  ta lk 01:06, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Alright, it appears like a gray cat on Chrome, and on IE 5-11 and Edge, it appears as a blue cat due to the hyperlink. &mdash; JJ Be rs  &#124;  ta lk 01:12, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I see a rectangle and a question mark in both Chrome and IE11. Probably the character is not in a font on my PC. —teb728 t c 03:19, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I also see just a grey box. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 15:49, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * , I have Chrome and all I see is a grey rectangle with a ? after it. I would suggest you change it as there seems to be many editors that can not see the cat.  - GB fan 15:53, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Aww, I was starting to get used to it. Wonder if it would be possible for me to use some sort of fallback so that if it has issues, I could just have it fallback to my username, but I doubt that's at the very least easy, not to mention sane to pull off in a signature. I'll look into it, however, just in case. – 🐈? (talk) 15:59, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * 🐈?, see edits by User:☂ (example) and by User:✄ (example); I'm not aware of people having suggested that their owners change anything with the usernames or the signatures. The worst that happens is that someone sees your signature as a little box with a question mark; that's hardly a problem.  A bigger issue, in my opinion, is your actual username (but it's not some violation!), because it's a little hard to reach your userspace.  Question marks automatically get truncated when you put them at the end of a URL, so   goes to the nonexistent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:What_cat (HTML even excludes the ? from the URL!) and the same for your talk page.  I'm not trying to persuade you to request another username change if you're happy with this one; just be aware that people might have trouble reaching you.  You may want to register User:What cat as a doppelgänger account (see WP:DG) and redirect its userspace/usertalkspace pages to your own, to make it easier for people to reach you and harder for someone to impersonate you.  Nyttend (talk) 22:27, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, I had figured there were other usernames like my signature, I just wasn't sure. Thanks. Also, on the username issue, I actually was having issues because of that problem, haha: trying to go to /wiki/What_cat? and not /wiki/What_cat%3f causes it to do the same thing as the URL shown, as it tries to use ? as the start of parameters. Hadn't considering creating an account to park that page, thanks for the suggestion! – 🐈? (talk) 22:35, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * ...so apparently I can't create an account because my doppleganger name is too similar to my own name and an account created in 2013 that has never edited. Not quite sure what to do now. – 🐈? (talk) 22:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * 🐈?, please see Request an account. That page has lots of warnings about misusing extra accounts, but those warnings are all about disruptive possession of a second account; doppelgänger are not at all problematic, so I'm sure the account will be created without question.  Nyttend (talk) 22:40, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, done. – 🐈? (talk) 22:45, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks to 's post on WP:VPT, I've created the doppelgänger account for . (Currently, ACC has a large backlog.) —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:31, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I've set up the redirects. – 🐈? (talk) 18:33, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

BLP violation- removal of content backed by reputed citations
Hello, This is regarding Marina Abramović. As described in her "controversy" section, she has gone through quite a few controversies (cited using reputed journals). Therefore, keeping Wikipedia neutrality, since a living or dead personality can be described as "popular", a criminal can be described as a criminal in the introduction; similarly, citing her numerous controversies and nature of art performance, it seems neutral and logical to describe her in the following way-

Marina Abramović (Serbian Cyrillic: Марина Абрамовић, ; born November 30, 1946) is a Yugoslavia-born controversial performance artist based in New York. Her work explores the relationship between performer and audience, the limits of the body, and the possibilities of the mind. Active for over three decades, Abramović describes herself as the "grandmother of performance art." She pioneered a new notion of identity by bringing in the participation of observers, focusing on "confronting pain, blood, and physical limits of the body." .

However, there have been repeated attempts to keep only her popularity and suppress the not-so popular facts about her. Therefore, I want to know how to resolve this issue. Thanks Pppooojjjaaa (talk) 22:39, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, it doesn't look like you've exhausted the talk page. That's where this needs to be decided. If your desire is to get some more sets of eyes on the question, fine. I'll respond over there on the merits, maybe others will also. Herostratus (talk) 22:48, 6 December 2016 (UTC)