Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 December 8

= December 8 =

Censorship
I recently donated for the first time to Wikipedia. Today I learned that Wikipedia intends to censor David Seaman, Journalist, by removing an article about him in its entirety. I would like my money back. Also, I will never use your site again and I will recommend to friends and colleagues that they stop as well. I will not tolerate censorship of this nature. I am confident my friends will feel the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.28.247.120 (talk) 00:18, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not a censorship thing, just look at the state of his article. It says virtually nothing about him. Rather than seethe over perceived wrongs, find some reliable sources and flesh out that article. Typically articles about people are removed due to there being nothing significant found about them, so if you have sources and content, by all means edit that article and add them. Crow  Caw  00:29, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, you can always improve the article yourself and save it from deletion. How much was your donation? Going by the average donations they would not even equate to an hour of my professional time. We donate our time here for no payment. You made a donation to the whole of the WPF not just one article. Your donation will help maintain  WPF which provides you and others with the  privilege to both read and contribute yourself, not buy and own an article.--Aspro (talk) 00:43, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It's only an hour ago David Seaman (journalist) was nominated for deletion at Articles for deletion/David Seaman (journalist). Discussions are usually open for at least seven days so there is plenty of time to improve the article to satisfy Notability (people). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:46, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Citing a scene from a movie?
I have the following sentences on a biographical page describing a scene in a movie, "In the 1994 movie The Getaway, starring Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger, Rodd Wolff plays one of the killers hired to capture the Baldwin and Basinger characters in a border hotel in El Paso. Rodd's character gets shot twice by Kim Basinger in the hotel gun battle, he survives, but is ultimately shot and killed by both Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger as he comes up a flight of stairs, then Rodd falls backwards down the stairs.[citation needed]" As you can tell someone added that a citation is required for those sentences. I have not found this description in any source, it's just my description from viewing the movie. My question is, is there anyway I can cite this, or do I just need to delete the sentences? Zootsuit1941 (talk) 02:32, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There is no citation needed. The film is the reference. Anyone can go and watch the movie to confirm what takes place.
 * I would however change out the actors names with the names of the characters that they play. In the narrative of the film, Basinger, Baldwin, and Wolff don't do anything. Their characters do. Let the reader know which actor is playing which part but after that, just refer to the characters' names.  † dismas †|(talk) 03:33, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input, I'll do that. Zootsuit1941 (talk) 06:47, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on What in the World? (television show)
Reference help requested.

How do I rectify the referencing error I made today on the page What in the World?(Television Show)?Veteran Photographer (talk) 04:53, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Veteran Photographer (talk) 04:53, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Veteran Photographer, I've reverted your edits, your personal opinion is not a reference. You need independent verifiable sources. FWIW, the format Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:46, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

can't post anywhere
can't post anywhere because I would like to change the creep catcher page i am trying to work with editors but seems I keep on getting banned thought i posted to the tea house but can't see my questions

'Creep Catcher' Vigilantes Prompt Warning From Medicine Hat Police

Alberta 'Creep Catcher' Charged For Vigilante Tactics - Huffington Post

Creep Catchers target man with cerebral palsy | CTV News

Penticton man works to catch online predators, but police not pleased

Creep Catchers: UBC law professor warns of vigilantism's dangers this one identifies where they falsely accused a police officer

EDMONTON CREEP CATCHER APOLOGIZES TO MENTALLY ILL ... this was only one person involved with creep catchers

Edmonton police describe Creep Catchers vigilantes as 'reckless' after ...

ABSOLUTE ZERO UNITES!: "Creep Catchers" wannabe vigilante ... legal blog

Charge dropped against Mountie targeted in Creep Catchers sting

Alberta Creep Catchers member charged with criminal harassment Globalnews.ca

Creep Catchers crossed 'many lines' targeting man with disabilities ... CTV News-Nov 22, 2016

Help or harm? Lawyers fear Creep Catchers prioritize attention over ... Surrey Now

Creep Catcher vigilantes accused of threatening women who ... CBC.ca

Man falsely accused in Surrey Creep Catchers video received death ... Globalnews.ca-Oct 2, 2016

Former Creep Catchers member condemns group after woman in ... Globalnews.ca

Inspector Tyler Svendson says no successful charge has ever come ... CBC.ca-Sep 3, 2016

Social worker says Kelowna Creep Catchers have gone too far Globalnews.ca-Aug 24, 2016

Are Creep Catchers exposing predators or making victims of people ... Edmonton Examiner-Jul 27, 2016

Creep Catchers' vigilante efforts against child predators hinders ... Calgary Herald-Sep 30, 2016

Police upset with Nanaimo vigilante's 'To Catch a Predator'-style sting CTV News-Feb 18, 2016

'Online predator' vigilante's viral video useless to investigators: police Globalnews.ca-Jul 13, 2016

Creep Catchers: UBC law professor warns of vigilantism's dangers Ottawa Citizen-Sep 11, 2016

Creep Catchers called out for preying on vulnerable iNews880.com

Member of Red Deer Creep Catchers charged Red Deer Express

"Creep Catcher" Trial Set For Tomorrow Morning - SwiftCurrentOnline ...

Creep catchers condemned by Alberta's Internet Child Exploitation ...

Calgary man in 'creep catcher' video says his reputation unfairly - CBC

Calgary Pedophile Hunter Under Fire as Man Claims He Was Framed Sarah Berman Vice

Surrey Creep Catchers wrongly identifies another man in viral video ...

Teen member of 'Creep Catcher' targets Saint John predators CBC.ca-Apr 5, 2016

Family speaks out against Creep Catchers after woman's death iNews880.com-Sep 29, 2016

Edmonton police describe Creep Catchers vigilantes as "reckless ... Edmonton Sun-Sep 29, 2016

Creep-catcher backtrack Castanet.net

Creep catchers condemned by Alberta's Internet Child Exploitation Edmonton Sun-Apr 13, 2016

'A real danger and darkness' surrounds Creep Catchers, professor ...

- These where the ones rejected This article includes an Q&A with a legal professional explaining that creep catchers may be involved in distributing child pornography themselves when they share explicit chat logs, how they have misinterpreted some of the laws and how they break privacy laws

Christie Blatchford of the National Post opined that "Creep Catcher’s vigilantes are at least as creepy as the pedophiles they chase" perhaps this would go better under the media title rather than creating a new one called critisisms

Jason Proctor of the CBC writes Creep Catchers: 'Justice as entertainment' means never having to say you're sorry perhaps this would go better under the media title rather than creating a new one called critisisms

Kendra Slugoski and Caley Ramsay of Global News associates the organization with the suicide of a woman. ''Creep Catchers accused of preying on the vulnerable after Edmonton woman commits suicide"

would any of these be considered to be legitimate? The Blackfalds one because the author had a close family friend affected by it is the considered poor? and as a result also would then negate the lawyers credibility? I could not find it used else where.

So when editing should I provide these cites as footnotes for each edit how many do I need? or use direct quotes from articles? to back up my edits

So Perhaps it would be best to say Creep Catchers believe themselves to an anti-pedophile activist group but many feel they are a vigilante group. Creep Catchers also often misuse pedophile and then provide the links from wikipedia?

Creep Catchers also have falsified their whois data or made it private there is no business associated with creep catchers, and has not registered as non-profit organization what would I need to cite to verify that? It seems to me they need to cite nothing to assert that they are Canadian non-profit organization.

I think if any thing the exisiting page is non-neutral and mostly fictious.

In the categories at the bottom of the page they are listed as Internet vigilantism so didn't think it was that far of a stretch.

Truthitmatters (talk) 07:09, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * This isn't a place for the lengthy discussion of an article, and you have not been banned. As you were told in response to your question at User talk:C.Fred, you need to start a discussion on the talk page of the article, at Talk:Creep Catcher (not Talk:Creep Catchers where C.Fred mistakenly added an s).  See also the advice which you received on your user talk page.  --David Biddulph (talk) 09:11, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Social Media Plugins or Icons in Wiki pedia page
Hi,

Could you please help me to know, how can we link a social media plug in with wikipedia page?

While searching a company page on google, in right side there may be wikipedia result. Here, in bottom, there is a header 'Profiles' and Facebook or Twitter Icon which direct to respective social media pages. How can we bring this in a company page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RiyaMiniVarma (talk • contribs) 07:38, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The "Profiles" part is not from Wikipedia. Here is our stock reply to a related type of question:
 * Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong.. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:41, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Help with notability flag
Hi, a page has been created about me Mark Lindley-Highfield. Someone who has a personal issue with me User:Mark.hamid has flagged the page up for notability issues. What concerns me is this individual having a personal issue with me and editing the page, the fact that they made no attempt to improve the article and also that they made no comments on the article's talk page about why they flagged it up.

It also concerned me that they flagged it up with a comment of WP:ACADEMIC. While I am an educator and this is mentioned in passing in the article about me, the article does not focus at all on my academic work, and from what I can see the article does not seem to point to my notability on this basis. While I am the only UK academic to specialise in my research area (conversion to Islam in Mexico: see this link, I do not consider myself to be a notable academic. It seems to me then that the following comment on WP:ACADEMIC might apply 'It is possible for an academic not to be notable under the provisions of this guideline but to be notable in some other way ...', but I wanted the opinion of other people to decide. I am not fussed about appearing on Wikipedia, so if you want to speed delete the page, I am happy too, but having a flag of notability being questioned seems more damaging to my professional reputation than their being no page at all.  Although I note that How to delete a page say that 'It is better to improve an article than to delete it for not being good enough.'

I have just been googling about editing a wikipedia page and realise I have made a mistake myself in editing the page about me, changing the reference to my knighthood to an 'award'. In the UK, I cannot bear a foreign award, so it is only valid outside of my country of residence, so I didn't think this should be foreground so much here. Forgive my editing this directly.

Now that I know that I am not meant to edit an article about me, I was wondering if someone here could please take a look at Mark Lindley-Highfield and see if they can improve the article. If it cannot be improved or does not meet notability requirements, perhaps you could delete it.

What I would like to make clear, though, is the conflict of interest of User:Mark.hamid and that I do not believe myself to be notable as an academic. In terms of the broader situation, yes, I have been featured in national and regional press regarding a number of things and I am referenced in a number of scholarly works about my work on conversion to Islam in Mexico. Note that there are only a handful of people writing about this area in the world, so there will not be many publications about it. None of the publications I have been featured in have been solicited by me.

I would appreciate someone's improvement of the article. Thank you. MarkLindleyHighfieldofBallumbieCastle (talk) 09:03, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Wait, what do you mean Mark.hamid is the one with the conflict of interest? If the article is about you, you have a conflict of interest and should read our rules on them.  And unless you know Mark.hamid offline (warning, see WP:OUTING), I fail to see how you've concluded that it's a personal issue (see WP:Assume Good Faith).  The article does not meet any of the requirements for speedy deletion or even for WP:PRODding; WP:Articles for deletion remains the only option.  However, since the article is about you, you should not be doing anything with it.  I'll skim the sources really quick and see if at least two are specifically about you but unaffiliated with you.  If there are none or only one, I'll start the AFD process and it'll probably be deleted by the end of the week (that or someone will find sources and the notability tag will be thrown out).   Ian.thomson (talk) 09:13, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * This, this, and this, in combination with this (which, despite the intended focus, would mention you as much as the king if they hadn't quoted you talking about him) almost seem to qualify as significant coverage. The first three by themselves would fall under WP:BLP1E, as would the fourth source by itself. I don't know whether or not to count Burke's Peerage (while they do restrict inclusion more than the phone book, I've not seen it in other articles and am generally suspicious of anything like a directory). Regardless of Burke's Peerage, I could see the argument going either way as to whether or not that counts as just two instances of BLP1E or whether it qualifies as sustained coverage, and whether or not a local news story regarding international relations qualifies significant coverage. I'm inclined to lean toward the latter in both cases. WP:BASIC notes that multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. That said, WP:ACADEMIC doesn't really seem to apply to this article any more than it does to anyone else who just happened to attend a university. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:56, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

"Interlanguage" links
At Heiner Thiel, I see several links like this to articles in German Wikipedia. If I'd been creating that link, I'd have written de:Michael Croissant, or maybe Michael Croissant (de). What is the reason for preferring an "Interlanguage link multi"? Maproom (talk) 10:17, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The ill gives a redlink to the English page while it doesn't exist, turning to a normal blue link when it does. The link to the English page doesn't exist in your versions. This is explained at Help:Interlanguage links. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:23, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I've just spotted that in the Interlanguage version, the "(de)" is a link. It makes sense now! Maproom (talk) 14:23, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

modification of the Title
Hello.

Could you please let me know how to edit the Title on the top Title section? Currently it is not editable. We have an English page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASD_STAN) and now we have created a French page, but the title was existing from the past and now the name of the company has been changed and I need to change also the title.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_europ%C3%A9enne_des_constructeurs_de_mat%C3%A9riels_a%C3%A9ronautiques The title should be changed from "Association européenne des constructeurs de matériels aéronautiques" to "ASD-STAN".

Thank you in advance for any tips.

Regards, Pari Aliyeva — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paliyeva (talk • contribs) 13:05, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * fr:Special:Movepage/Association européenne des constructeurs de matériels aéronautiques. 208.95.51.72 (talk) 13:41, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Possible to export Wikitables to CSV
Dear Wikipedians,

there are solutions to convert CSV to Wiki (e.g. ) and there are many browser extensions to convert HTML tables to CSV. But these extensions are not satisfying for Wikitables, because they miss any sort-keys and are not able to copy filepaths (e.g. ).

I have a wikitable for which the original spreadsheet is missing. Is there any way to get it completely to CSV? Thanks in advance.--TIB-NOA (talk) 13:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You can look at Tools. Ruslik_ Zero 17:11, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Which tool do you mean specifically? Under Export: Conversion to other formats there is no entry for CSV / tables. CSVLoader also doesn't fit my purpose.--TIB-NOA (talk) 11:32, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I mean wiki2csv. Or you can convert csv -> xls -> wiki. Ruslik_ Zero 20:29, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

This is easy. I mean the REVERSE way (wiki -> csv).--TIB-NOA (talk) 14:03, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * wiki2csv can do both ways. Ruslik_ Zero 20:44, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Preventing a line break
In the article Article (grammar), there's some text "although there are occasional uses of an historic(al) in American", and the "historic(al)" is at the end of the line. "historic" is at the right end of the first line, and "(al)" at the left end of the second line. Can these be put together? I tried nowrap, but it didn't work. 208.95.51.72 (talk) 13:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I think you may be a little confused. The line breaks depend on the width of the browser window. If you manually make your browser window narrower or wider, you will see the line breaks change accordingly in order to scale the article to the width it's being viewed at. Timothy Joseph Wood  13:54, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Derp. By "article" of course, I mean "Wikipedia article", not the "article" which is the subject of the Wikipedia article Article (grammar). Timothy Joseph Wood  13:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Proper typography would nonetheless require the chunk of letters with no spaces to be unbreakable, i.e. having the whole historic(al) jump to the next line when there is enough space for "historic" but not for "(al)".
 * It is unbreakable in my browser (Chrome) right now, and there are no tricks in the Wikicode, so I think that is a browser issue. Tigraan Click here to contact me 14:15, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * In Internet explorer, it is breakable, whether or not I use nowrap. Is there some code that can be added to prevent it from breaking in all browsers?  208.95.51.72 (talk) 21:33, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Reference help
Hello, I just need a clarification on citing a single book multiple times on the article. I couldn't understand from reading 'citing sources' section. Please someone help me..!!Jayabilla (talk) 15:42, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The easiest way to cite a source multiple times is to name it. For example instead of just typing Blah blah blah, lorem ipsum lorem ipsom.  }}

Produces:

"Lorem ipsum lorem ipsum blah blah. Blah blah blah, lorem ipsum lorem ipsom."

~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 16:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * You'll find the processs explained at Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * If you want to refer to different pages of the same book use, eg and similar, and put the full book description as a "Cited texts" after the reference section Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  17:05, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * An alternative style, which I find more convenient, is to use to give an inline page number after the reference.  So you do  , which renders as "Blah blah blah, lorem ipsum lorem ipsom." 71.41.210.146 (talk) 17:43, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for clearing my doubts regarding citations.Jayabilla (talk) 17:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Is there a template like for wikilinks?
Something that would convert to   for formatting examples? Ideally, it would support a suffix, too, so would render as

It's hard to imagine this doesn't already exist, but I can't find the name. 71.41.210.146 (talk) 17:32, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

P.S. If it doesn't exist, then I'll create it, and am soliciting suggestions for a name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.41.210.146 (talk) 21:13, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

De-registered username
I was discussing Wikipedia with a friend yesterday, and he said that he didn't edit because he had once tried to register an account, but the user name he wanted, and uses for other things, had been taken. (I'm not defending that view, but I do understand it.) Today I looked at the username in question, and it says User account "Nottherealname" is not registered. This user has been renamed. The rename log is provided below for reference. Maintenance script (talk | contribs) renamed user Nottherealname(0 edits) to Nottherealname~enwiki (SUL finalization) So I tried to register an account in that name to see what would happen, and it told me Username entered already in use. Please choose a different name. It seems that the username is associated with no edits, but it is permanently out of circulation. It's using up namespace for no purpose. Is this normal in the circumstances? Is there a way to get the username released? Maproom (talk) 18:14, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The script you mention was run as part of WP:SUL. It means that someone from another wiki has the username, and the fact it is not registered here means that they have not yet logged into this wiki. For more information about the account see Special:CentralAuth/Nottherealname. -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:22, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * When you see someone renamed to foo~enwiki, it means that the primary user of that account is on another project. Because of SUL, Wikipedia accounts are shared across all Wikipedias, so what you'll have here is a situation where User:Nottherealname is active on German (or Italian, or Japanese…) Wikipedia and has never edited here, but the name needs to be kept free for them in case they ever move across. In the same way, nobody else will be able to register Maproom at Cree Wikipedia, even though you've never once edited there and presumably never will, unless they can persuade you to voluntarily change your name across all Wikipedias. If you go to m:Special:CentralAuth/Nottherealname, you can see what the user in question's home wiki is. &#8209; Iridescent 18:27, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, for your clear and thorough explanation.
 * Out of curiosity, I checked the link you give, and found that the name is local to nl.wikipedia.org. So I went there and looked at the user's account, and found

Wikipedia heeft geen pagina met de naam "Gebruiker:Nottherealname". Start deze pagina (Wikipedia has no page with the name ...  Start this page) It also encouraged me to look on Commons and a couple of other places, but I still found no such user. I'm still puzzled. Maproom (talk) 18:48, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Look at the nl.wikipedia's contribution history for that account; it's possible that it's someone who registered the account and has never actually used it, or a vandal all of whose contributions have been deleted. If that's the case, you might want to ask at nl:Overleg Wikipedia:Verzoek voor hernoeming van account to see if they have any equivalent procedure to WP:USURP here. (Don't worry if you don't speak the language; enough Dutch people speak English that I'm sure someone will be able to communicate with you, although I'd be kind and avoid technical language or Wiki-jargon.) &#8209; Iridescent 18:59, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The Dutch message you quoted just means there is no user page. If the account did not exist then the page would have said that in red above the quoted text. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:13, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The Dutch userpage also has a link to "Gebruikersbijdragen" (user contributions) showing that the user has never contributed there. I may look into usurping the name. Maproom (talk) 20:21, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You can select English at nl:Special:Preferences to make it easier to navigate a wiki if you don't know the language. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Wrong categorisation
Hi,

I have just began to translate the French Francis Jeanson into English (Francis Jeanson (writer) but had to add (writer) otherwise the Jeanson network page would have been the only page "avalable". Now that the English page is close to completion, I've tried to delete the unnecessary (writer) part just to find out I am not allowed to proceed. Also, the should not include Jeanson network which has nothing to do with the Prix Fénéon and I don't know how to get things right.

Can someone please correct this little mess? thanks in advance; LouisAlain (talk) 19:25, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Francis Jeanson was a redirect to Jeanson network. I have now moved Francis Jeanson (writer) to Francis Jeanson. You could have started the article by editing the redirect (see Help:Redirect), but an administrator was required to move the article over an existing redirect. The redirect was in Category:Prix Fénéon winners before. That was actually correct. It's possible and allowed to place redirects in categories where the target of the redirect wouldn't belong. Jeanson network was never in the category. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:27, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * What needed to be done has been done, thank you; LouisAlain (talk) 20:42, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Notability question
See Draft:Kaye Fox. Is notability questionable when a biography is based entirely on obituaries published in various sources? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I hope not. If I want to establish notability for a recently dead person, obituaries are the first place I look.They tend to be well-informed and adequately balanced. (I suspect there are notable people who are known only from their obituarists.) Maproom (talk) 21:42, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * If the world only noticed someone after their death, was he/she really notable in the WP sense? Or, in other words, is a notable corpse regarded the same as a notable person? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:29, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Certainly per WP:GNG. Probably not per WP:1EVENT. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:41, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

review
While patrolling new articles, I noticed the option to review is no longer available. Anyone know what happened to it? APK whisper in my ear  21:25, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * It is presumably because you don't have the "new page reviewer" user right (see WP:New pages patrol/Reviewers)? --David Biddulph (talk) 21:33, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Ahh, ok. Thank you. APK whisper in my ear

Repeated reverts without plausible explanation since 2 years
Hey dear reader, since the last 2 years, I have been trying time to time to add tourism section at India. I discussed on the talk page as well a year ago, only one mention-able reason was provided- It does not contribute sufficiently to India's GDP. However, I found that it contributed more than 6% to India's GDP (India's total GDP being one of the largest in the world in volume). I also provided official, World Bank data and latest sources for this using official websites. None of the information I am adding is irrelevant or without citation. It is as important to be included in the page as the poverty section. It will be violation of neutrality if I, as an Indian, honestly do not feel that the article depicts any place in India I have ever visited or seen. I am also being told that World Bank and Government data is not sufficient and newspaper/journal links are needed to verify it (do journals really carry out country wide surveys to give thumbs up to results of World Bank and governments? I would believe they simply quote such an extremely reliable data) Therefore, please help with this as it has been long enough for this issue to resolve. I have seen countries with way less impressive profiles than India, having Science and Technology and Education sections. More than 5 Indian Business schools are in top 100 in the world and more than 30 Indian universities are in top 500 (I have QS Rankings website links for these too). India is the second country to reach Mars in first attempt and its launch systems regularly launch payloads from more than 50 countries, including US. The page needs a makeover but I am not being allowed to even use trustworthy sources to make the changes. Thanks a lot! :) PS- Pppooojjjaaa (talk) 22:47, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * See that Talk page FAQ, question 3 and 4. You are welcome to edit but know that India is a featured article. Most of its content was checked and agreed upon, making new changes there are therefore subject to greater scrutiny, see WP:OWN. When you get reverted, you mostly need to discuss on talk to achieve CONSENSUS. We invited you to discuss on that article talk. Not to mention that this section you're proposing has been repeatedly asked for before, search in the talk page's archives before you repeat previous arguments. This is what is usually done while making controversial/disputed changes.  Ugog Nizdast (talk) 00:33, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I recommend you practise editing on low-traffic and low quality pages, places where there is a dire need of improvement in our WikiProject India. You're a relatively new here and straight away diving into such an article is just reckless. I've posted on talk what was wrong but really don't expect us to keep correcting you on that page and explaining again and again. Your wasting your time and ours. You can't possibly expect us to check whatever you've replaced with old agreed on content every time. That falls on you to propose changes on talk first. Improving a FA isn't just find news reports and updating it, we need real reliable sources. I know I'm sounding too critical but I keeping advising you here and not that very visible article talk where I've only commented on your edits. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:00, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I have made over 100 edits, I am the reason why 3 of the protected pages show correct nationality of living personalities, and as long as my point is correct, important and cited, it needs attention regardless of how new I am. I am new relatively that is why I am discussing here and on the talk page. Hence, I welcome your answer on talk page of India where I have asked for all the points needed and required to include 3 sub sections- once I have that checklist, I will present all of them. THanks again Pppooojjjaaa (talk) 18:08, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry you have not had a good experience on Wikipedia. I hope you don't mind my asking, just out of curiosity, whether you have any connection with Myoksha Travels Pvt. Ltd.    D b f i r s   09:13, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Help:ned help finishing my page. citation issues
HI, I need help with my article Scott Marshall Smith. It is very close but having a few minor citation errors. Any help would be amazing!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marydaland (talk • contribs) 23:01, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't see any citation issues with Draft:Scott Marshall Smith. † dismas †|(talk) 23:41, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * They've been fixed, mainly by . Eagleash (talk) 23:47, 8 December 2016 (UTC)