Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 February 1

= February 1 =

Laird
Ref number 16 on the above page is all wrong. Please help. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 04:50, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ You misspelled February Eagleash (talk) 04:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Eagleash for your help. should the link "Debretts" in the section "Traditional and current forms of address"  have an apostrophe -the page itself has an apostrophe. Please alter if you see fit. ThanksSrbernadette (talk) 05:06, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ Yes, I believe so. Eagleash (talk) 05:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

One more queery - sorry!- should the quote ref. 17 be rephrased - as it is not correct English: "wives are often remain styled "Lady"." This is not the correct quote I'm sure, as it does not make sense.


 * It is ungrammatical, but without the original any changes to it are guesswork. However I have changed it to read more correctly - as we still have the title of the source which appears accurate. Eagleash (talk) 05:58, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I've found an edition online that I can access, and verified the current quote as correct (with thanks to User:Eagleash and User:Deor for having updated it). —me_and 18:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Creating a wiki page for a celebrity
the following person is a celebrity and i want to create a page for him being hi PR representative but unfortunately wiki is not allowing the strong references are his website www.saanandverma.com also you can check the star and crew for the same of the mentioned Bhabi Ji Ghar Par Hai!
 * Firstly, regardless of his "celebrity status", he should meet GNG criteria to have a Wikipedia article. Secondly, even if he does, you shouldn't create an article about him if you are his PR representative, as this will most certainly trigger a conflict of interest. -- ChamithN   (talk)  05:41, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Please understand,, that a Wikipedia article (especially one on a living person) should be based nearly 100% on what people unconnected with the subject have published about the subject in reliable places. What he says, what his website says, and what you want to say about him (as his PR representative) are almost irrelevant; and if such independent reliable sources about him don't exist, then it is impossible for anybody to write an acceptable article on him at present (in Wikipedia jargon, we say that he is not notable). You are discouraged from writing about him; but if you decide to go ahead, you must declare if you are paid to represent him, and you are strongly encouraged to use the articles for creation process to prepare a draft and have it submitted. My personal advice would be to do a substantial amount of work on other articles first, both to get experience of editing, and to demonstrate that you are here to help us improve the encyclopaedia and not just to publicise one person; and when you do come to write about him, to forget everything you know about him, and write only from the independent sources say. --ColinFine (talk) 11:36, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Editing road infobox problem
In Pennsylvania Route 481, in the Major Intersections section, I changed

"location=Centerville" to "location=Centerville, Washington County" to clear up the disambiguation of "Centerville".

The problem is that it would be better to not display "Washington County". In normal text, I would used "Centerville, Washington County, Pennsylvania|Centerville". But this infobox somehow appends the state automatically and apparently normal piping can't be used.MB (talk) 05:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * , you needed, which is pretty much something you can only figure out by delving deep into the templates.   Murph 9000  (talk) 05:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Please end an "Edit War"
The individual “Mark Brelsford” keeps insisting on listing himself as a “Major Organization” of the style on this page.

However, he has no list of schools, no affiliation with an association—the individuals he claims he is under do not list him as a member nor consider him an associate.

Edits made suggested he link to the webpage for his organization which should include a listing of his schools under his organization, or list the officers of his organization. That would solve the issue. He refuses to do this.

Instead he tries to send abusive and threatening messages. In the abusive messages he makes lofty legal claims and claims to membership schools all over the United States, yet cannot name one. Searches finds none. Zero. He is listed on none of the actual "major organization" pages though he was removed from a few years ago, including the organization of the individuals he claimed association with as noted previously.

To avoid an “Edit War” it would be simple for a representative of Wikipedia to decide if this person has enough evidence--or any evidence--he may link to establish himself as “a major organization” or not. Or, perhaps it will be decided to allow single individuals to declare themselves as such and the list may be expanded to include any and all teachers and participants who wish to see their names on Wikipedia.

His further abusive messages will be ignored. Communication with such individuals serves no purpose.98.227.140.14 (talk) 06:05, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * @98.227.140.14: Please take a look at Dispute resolution. It explains how a content dispute should be handled.  The process starts out informally, by calmly raising your concerns on the article's talk page, and attempting to directly resolve the dispute between the involved editors, but without formal intervention.  So, as a first step, please clearly and concisely explain your concerns about the article on its talk page, detailing precisely what you believe needs to change, and what you believe the changes should be.  Ideally, please support your changes with references to reliable sources.  Both you and  need to stop reverting each others edits, and take it to the talk page.  It does not matter which of you is in the right, and which of you is in the wrong, you both need to calmly talk about the content (on the article's talk page), as a first step.  If the dispute can't be resolved through informal talk, the process has more formal options.   Murph 9000  (talk) 06:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * N.B. I note that you have already had a warning for possibly making legal threats in relation to this. It is extremely important that you take that warning seriously, and show a good faith effort to have a civil discussion with 98.227.140.14, and take great care to avoid anything which could be interpreted as a threat.  The No legal threats policy is taken very seriously.  It is generally not appropriate to resolve Wikipedia content disputes through external communication, so please do not ask people to email you in these circumstances.  You must use the article talk pages, so that the discussion around the content is transparent and visible for all editors to review.  Additionally, some of the things you have said made it sound like you may have a conflict of interest with the article's subject.  Please read the CoI policy carefully.  In general, if you have a significant CoI, you should not be directly making significant edits to the article, but posting any changes as requests on the article's talk page.  The edits should be made by a neutral and independent editor.   Murph 9000  (talk) 06:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have pinged WikiProject Martial arts about this content dispute, in the hope of getting an experienced editor with good subject knowledge to take a look at what has been going on. I do not personally have much detailed knowledge of martial arts, so am not the right person to assess the content and the changes.   Murph 9000  (talk) 07:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

I hope I have tagged this as "Resolved" properly. Should the issue arise again, I will contact the person who made the current ruling. Thanks again!98.227.140.14 (talk) 06:55, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You didn't, but I fixed it for you. We were all new at this once.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:36, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Submit
Please how can I submit my article for review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JiasaGH (talk • contribs) 11:53, 1 February 2016‎ (UTC)


 * In you erroneously removed the feedback from your previous submission, although it said "  ".  That edit removed the button for you to resubmit;  I've reinstated the feedback for you, so that you can resubmit when it is ready.  It is certainly not ready yet, as you have not taken notice of the feedback (particularly about referencing), so please read it.  You also need to read the WP:Manual of Style about formatting.  You had wrongly moved the draft to JIA Sports Academy, but I have moved it back to Draft:JIA Sports Academy where it belongs. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:06, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

combine page
there have two similar article Environmental hormones、Xenohormone ,can anyone help merging two page?--36.225.98.184 (talk) 12:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Information
can u tell me, How can i place info about a person new person information — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jagadeesh90329 (talk • contribs) 12:40, 1 February 2016‎ (UTC)
 * Hello, Jagadeesh90329. Do you mean adding new information to an existing article about a person?  Or, do you mean creating a new article about a person not currently mentioned in Wikipedia?  In both cases, the information must be properly supported by citations of reliable sources.  If you can explain in a little more detail, exactly what it is that you would like to add, we can provide more specific advice.   Murph 9000  (talk) 12:48, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Additionally, if you could please include the name of any existing article or articles which are relevant to this question, that would help us to give you accurate advice.  Murph 9000  (talk) 13:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

HMS Victory
Although your infomration on HMS Victory was updated in Dec 2015, I am afraid your content is incorrect. The current Captain of Victory is a Lt Cdr B J Smith and has been since June 2015.

Your link to Admirals will require uppdating soon as Admiral Zambellas is being relived by Admiral Jones in April (8th).

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.109.66.150 (talk) 13:28, 1 February 2016‎ (UTC)


 * Hello, 82.109.66.150. Thanks for your information.  Do you have any links to reliable sources which we can use to verify that information.  While we always start out by assuming good faith (that you are providing us with accurate information), one of Wikipedia's major goals is to try to ensure that information is verifiable wherever possible.  If you can provide those links, it will speed up the process of updating the article.  Thanks.   Murph 9000  (talk) 13:41, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Updated, & reference included. Thanks for letting us know. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Colorblind
When you're doing colorgraphics color charts and maps why do you not consider the COLOR BLIND people ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.142.34.144 (talk) 16:48, 1 February 2016‎ (UTC)
 * Hello, 50.142.34.144. Wikipedia is generally committed to trying to provide reasonable content accessibility for people.  If you could please give us some specific examples that are causing you a problem, I'm sure we'd be happy to take a look at them and see if there's any possibility of improvement.  With some graphical presentations, it can be extremely difficult to actually adapt them for the color blind.  If, for example, they need more than 2 or 3 colors to adequately represent the data, it becomes very difficult to select colors which work well for both the color blind, and those who require high contrast for other visual impairments.  So, please give us the specific cases you find problematic, as we have over 5 million articles to try to maintain through primarily volunteer efforts, and it's almost impossible to just hunt down every problem case without some pointers to follow.   Murph 9000  (talk) 16:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably because not all of our thousands or millions of editors have read WP:COLOUR. If there are specific problems, please let us know, either here or on the relevant article talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Link to English Wikipedia in Meta
If I am posting to Meta and want to wikilink to the English Wikipedia, what sort of wikilink notation do I use on meta? If this is explained in a Help document, pointing me to it would be sufficient. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi . meta:Help:Interwiki linking says you use (eg) en:WP:Help desk . --ColinFine (talk) 18:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking at meta:Special:Interwiki, they have en configured as an interlanguage prefix, rather than an interwiki prefix. I wouldn't use that myself, due to it being the wrong software feature.  I'd use the interwiki   or   from meta.  You can use language links if you want, and they should work (if you remember the : prefix), just the "do it the right way" pedant in me doesn't like doing it that way.   Murph 9000  (talk) 18:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

No infographics in articles about movies allowed?
Hello,

after introducing my infographic



into an article about the movie

A Moonless Night

I found it deleted by another user, telling me that only official posters were allowed. But my infographic was not meant as a substitute for the official poster, it is a structural analysis of the movie!

Unfortunately the user didn't fulfill my request to tell me where this rule was written down

User talk:Reisen8

- so I am trying to get help here to find out whether my graphic is allowed in this article or not (and why exactly). Thank you.--Reisen8 (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . It seems to me that your infographic constitutes original research, and so is not allowed in a Wikipedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 18:24, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * ... and in any case it isn't in English, so not useful to readers of the English Wikipedia. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * .... It is in English,, despite the title. --ColinFine (talk) 21:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd been looking at the image which Reisen8 had added twice to the article, which was File:Una noche sin luna.jpg, and I now see that he referred to a different file in his text above. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:37, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, David Biddulph and ColinFine. Sorry, the language was my fault. So, can I bring the English version in? The graphic is not really research, it's the content made visible, such as main characters, time, place.--Reisen8 (talk) 15:28, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

How to edit title of my listing
Hi There! I would like to change the title of my listing from "The Renegade Craft Fair" to "Renegade Craft Fair" as we do not use "The" as part of the brand name. I can't figure out how to do this in Edit mode, any help? Mat 18:41, 1 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renegadecraft (talk • contribs) 18:41, 1 February 2016‎ (UTC)


 * The process is described at WP:Moving a page. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:44, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I have moved it. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 19:50, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Just for documentation, a user name change has been approved for .— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:49, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Weird capitalization of article title
citizen Effect is not capitalized properly and I can't figure out how to fix it. Legacypac (talk) 20:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed by removing lowercase. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank-you - learned something new. Legacypac (talk) 20:06, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

I want to create a page about the artist Dolya Goutman
I am Andrew Goutman, the son of Dolya Goutman, who died in 2001. Dolya Goutman was a respected and prominent regional (Philadelphia) artist who deserves his own Wikipedia page.

A child prodigy, Dolya Goutman was born in Russia and emigrated to America in 1930. He graduated from the Art Institute of Chicago and ended up in California in the 1940s, where he painted the artwork for the movie Moon and Sixpence. He eventually landed in Philadelphia, where he taught for a lifetime at Moore College of Art. His bold and colorful paintings were exhibited throughout the region. Numerous press clips attest to his popularity among both art critics and art lovers.

I want to create a page about Dolya Goutman. Please explain the criteria for someone getting his own page on Wikipedia. I've been told there is a protocol.

Thank you.

--Andy Goutman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewgoutman (talk • contribs) 20:01, 1 February 2016‎ (UTC)


 * Thank you for asking. I've put a few useful links on your user talk page.  If you had thought of writing about a relative, you also need to read the advice regarding conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

User Name
How do I get rid of the "User" in front of my name? Should I have done something differently when I created the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bishop Ronald Wilson (talk • contribs)


 * That page is unsuitable as either a user page or a Wikipedia article as it is far too promotional in tone. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, WP:BIO and WP:SPAM.--ukexpat (talk) 21:33, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * While is right,, I think he has answered you somewhat brusquely. You have attempted to create an article on your user page: your user pages are for sharing some information about yourself, if you choose as a Wikipedia editor, not for creating articles. Secondly, autobiography is strongly discouraged in Wikipedia - see the link that Ukexpat provided to understand why.
 * Thirdly, promotion of any kind (which does not just mean commercial promotion) is forbidden on Wikipedia. If people come here to help us improve Wikipedia, we hope they are made welcome. People who come here just to promote something are much less welcome. --ColinFine (talk) 22:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump
I have been trying to add an article to the press template on this page but it keeps displaying an error w/respect to time, and I would appreciate help as I'm not sure what the problem is. Everymorning (talk) 21:42, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * , the problem was the  parameter.   Murph 9000  (talk) 21:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * And, for what it's worth, I recommend reading the new NY Times article added to the press box there. It's an interesting read, and feels like they have been reasonably fair in their characterisation and reporting of WP.  (The article is primarily about WP, not about Trump.  Trump is relevant in terms of how we deal with the challenges presented by articles of that nature.)   Murph 9000  (talk) 22:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Carol Rosin Account
My wikipedia account has been taken down and I would like it reinstated.

Can you kindly replace the Carol Rosin Wikipedia account.

Once this is done, I will furnish all documents and files necessary to update the Carol Rosin Wikipedia listing.

Kind REgards, Debbie West, Publicist for Carol Rosin

— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Westdeb7 (talk • contribs) 23:06, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Debbie is apparently referring to this page, deleted in November 2013 as a result of this discussion (having previously survived this 2005 nomination).  General Ization  Talk   23:10, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, Wikipedia does not have Wikipedia listings, instead it has neutral articles written about notable things. As her publicist, you have a clear conflict of interest, and so are strongly discouraged to not write about her.
 * In addition, you cannot demand undeletion of an article deleted my community consensus as this one was here. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:20, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a free webspace for publicists to use, and the page was never yours, even if you created it. It was perhaps a borderline decision to delete it because the Italian Wikipedia has an article here.  To establish that Carol Rosin is notable in the Wikipedia sense, you will need to provide references for each statement you make, and the citations must be from WP:reliable sources.  Facebook, Youtube and blogs are not suitable.  You need to disclose your WP:conflict of interest on your user page, then create a draft of the article in your own user space or in draft space, where it will be closely scrutinised before it can be published.  Wikipedia is especially strict about WP:biographies of living persons, so you will have to be very careful to avoid any promotional sentences, and write only what is published elsewhere.  Google doesn't find enough reliable sources in my search to establish notability according to Wikipedia's strict rules for biographies.    D b f i r s   23:30, 1 February 2016 (UTC)