Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 February 15

= February 15 =

References on episode guide
Hi,

Sorry if this is the wrong place, but I wanted to ask a question about the use of references on episode guides.

I've been editing series pages related to CBBC show The Dumping Ground, such as The Dumping Ground (series 4). I've been adding references to the titles in the episode guide but someone recently said they weren't needed for past episodes and removed them. The page at the moment is lacking references and to unreliable sources.

Is it OK to have references in the episode guides even after the episode has aired?

Thanks,

Grangehilllover (talk) 00:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia-wide Rfc
Where would be the correct location, to start an RFc, that would draw the widest input? GoodDay (talk) 02:39, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Not here, because no one reads this.--Jack Upland (talk) 02:44, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey Jack. It very much depends on the nature of the discussion and the context. Discussions of the widest import might even be listed through the MediaWiki:Sitenotice. A discussion of wide importance might be advertised at Centralized discussion. A discussion of policy might might draw more eyes at the policy section of the village pump, rather than at some specific talk page, etc. But each of these requires you to provide the detail to see which and whether something more than the draw of an RfC itself is needed and would be appropriate. As with most questions asked here and at other help forums, it s usually far better to tell us the specifics than to ask in the hypothetical, so a tailored answer can be provided. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm planning on opening up an RFC to get feedback from the wiki-community, as to who to use as Australia's head of state, throughout Wikipedia. GoodDay (talk) 04:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Update - I've opened up a Rfc at WikiProject Politics, concerning the Australian head of state topic. GoodDay (talk) 16:59, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

North Melbourne and Albert Kitson, 2nd Baron Airedale
Please check the strange ref. number 1 in the "Demographics" section on the North Melbourne page. It is all wrong. Please add the accent over the word 'Pathe' on the Albert Kitson, 2nd Baron Airedlale page Thanks so much. I get very nervous to ask for help when I cannot do a task.Srbernadette (talk) 03:51, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Srbernadette. Can you please advise what problem you are seeing with the citation to the Australian Bureau of Statistics? It look's fine to me. I've fixed the link to Pathé News. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * They're not talking about ref #1. They're talking about the bare link without ref tags that is after the first sentence of the Demographics section. I'm not sure it's a WP:RS. Dismas |(talk) 04:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

North Melbourne
Please check the Demographics section (ref. number 1) of the North Melbourne page. It is certainly not correct. Srbernadette (talk) 05:37, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
04:48, 15 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by R.K.F.84 (talk • contribs)
 * ✅ I have removed the extra  tags. For next time, notice that the error message contains a blue link to a help page which describes the error and explains how to fix it. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Albert Kitson, 2nd Baron Airedale
Please Please do the accent over the word "nee" in the important quote of ref. number 10 on this page. I always get it wrong. Thanks so much again Srbernadette (talk) 05:50, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅, but all you need to do is find an e-acute anywhere at Wikipedia and copy-paste it into your edit. It's probably hiding on one of the toolbars somewhere, but copy-paste works for me. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:42, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * An e-acute is "hiding" on the user's talkpage at #née (and e acute), and he was reminded about that on this page not many hours ago. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:49, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Or, just use nee, which produces . -Arch dude (talk) 19:47, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * For some reason the editor doesn't like with the dots underneath and the tooltip.  Hence the answer on his user talk page last October. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

IP Nominate
I am not quite clear on this, can a IP nominate articles for deletion like this? Thanks  Kyle  1278  07:09, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * To repair your broken link,  is rendered as this. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you David.  Kyle  1278  07:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * My main question hasn't been awsered? Kyle  1278  14:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * IP editors are allowed to edit Wikipedia, and there is nothing at WP:Prod to exclude IP editors. (I am assuming that you are talking about Prods, but it's a bit difficult to tell as you didn't point us at any specific edit, merely the IP's contribution record in general).  --David Biddulph (talk) 16:26, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * An IP editor can propose an uncontroversial deletion but the cannot request an AFD for the article. Like David, I couldn't see which particular edit you were referring to since there are a lot from that editor. Does this help? uhhlive (talk) 20:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes it does thank you Uhhlive yes.  Kyle  1278  02:42, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * An IP editor cannot technically nominate an article at AfD, because doing so requires creating the discussion page, and an editor must be logged in and autoconfirmed to create pages (except in the Draft and Wikipedia talk namespaces). However, such an editor can request that an autoconfirmed user create the required AfD page on his or her behalf. If the request seems to be made in good faith, and has a reasonable rationale, many users will do this. I've done it myself a few times. I have seen such requests on the talk page of the article concerned, at WT:AFD, at the Teahouse, and here on the help desk. That said, this is one reason why an editor might want to register and use an account. DES (talk) 01:40, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Two Philippine name templates
I ask you on how to have two Philippine name templates. The first one is the original template they created and the last one is the alternate Philippine name template just as same as Eastern Slavic, Portuguese and Spanish naming customs templates. RenRen070193 07:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RenRen070193 (talk • contribs) 07:57, 15 February 2016‎ (UTC)


 * First, please provide a link to the existing template. Second, explain what each template would be used for.  (Why are two templates needed?)  Robert McClenon (talk) 08:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC

The first one is to spelling of surname which is translated (e.g. Osmeña = Osmena) and the second one is to describe which is the maiden name and which is one is the surname in order to not to make confussion among the readers (e.g This name uses Philippine naming customs. The maiden name/maternal [[family name is Capili and the surname/paternal family name is Mendoza). RenRen070193 09:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * When you post to a talk page or a project page that is used like a talk page, put four tildes (~) after your post to sign it, rather than just typing your user name. It makes it easier for other editors to communicate with you.  Can some other editor here help this editor, please?  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I assume that this editor, like many others, has screwed up his signature while trying to customise it. See User talk:RenRen070193. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:13, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * If either of the templates exists, please provide a link to it. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * There is an article in article space on Filipino name. Is there a reason why a template is needed in addition?  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:12, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes. In addition, the template format is the same as in Portuguese/Spanish name templates format. But the first Philippine name template will still exist. I gonna fix this as soon as possible. RenRen070193 06:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, please explain in more detail why you need two templates. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:42, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

I suggest to have two Philippine name templates. First, the present template describes the transliteration of the surname since they adapted the Spanish surnames since 18th century up to the present (ex. the surname "Osmeña", sometimes transliterate as "Osmena"; name a few are follows: Mañalac = Manalac, Peñalosa = Penalosa, Cariño = Carino, Muñoz = Munoz, Nuñez = Nunez, and so on). The second one, onthe other hand, describes which is the middle name/maiden name/maternal family name and which is also the surname/last name/paternal family name, asher are going to adapt the format in Portuguese/Spanish naming customs templates (example: Richard Reyes Faulkerson Jr., the real name of Alden Richards. Since this name are both of Filipino and American origin, the maiden name/maternal family name  is "Reyes" and the surname/paternal family name is "Faulkerson"). I hope you accept my suggestion because this is for our beloved readers an Wikipedians as well. Thank you very much and a blessing Wednesday morning to all. God Bless you all. RenRen070193 02:37, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * In Philippine name, (Special:Diff/704866032 seems to illustrate the transformation of one described template into another.) —PC-XT+ 09:12, 17 February 2016 (UTC) 09:23, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

North Melbourne
There is still a problem with the reference in the demographic section on this page. Please fix up. It has a blue box attached to the number. Thanks 101.182.136.195 (talk) 08:13, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * They were listed as external links rather than references- I've converted them to references. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

There are 2 dots either side of reference 6. Should one of them be removed. Thanks for your help101.182.136.195 (talk) 09:47, 15 February 2016 (UTC) ✅ Eagleash (talk) 09:51, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Images in article not being displayed
At some stage I must have fiddled with the settings controlling image display, and now find images being suppressed and replaced by a link. How do I return to normal?....Thanks Paul venter (talk) 08:42, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Paul venter, are you on the mobile version? If so, you should be able to go to "Settings" and check the "Images" box. Otherwise, Help:Options to hide an image talks about various ways that images can be disabled. You may be able to figure out which one of those you have enabled. Sometimes, if I am on a bad connection, the images take longer to show up, though that doesn't sound like your problem. —PC-XT+ 05:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks —PC - it seems that the problem was Adblock Plus which I have since disabled and problem solved.  Paul venter (talk) 08:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

new page
How do I start a new page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuffet01 (talk • contribs) 09:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I have added a number of useful links to your user talk page, including WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Since you are not autoconfirmed yet, you will need to submit the article via Articles for Creation, which is always a good idea for new editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:29, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Sill Problems
Please see my recent queery regarding North Melbourne page  one section up. 101.182.136.195 (talk) 09:50, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Slight or
I'm not asking how to use Wikipedia but I have a complaint, I am in early adolescence and I got very curious and had sexual questions, because I am growing up and I began wondering things and I wanted to know the answer. I went to Wikipedia and without wanting to I saw for the first time an image of an erected vagina and shouldn't have and never wanted to see one, especially at this age! It is disgraceful that I should see a woman's genital in a state like that without being married to her or having anything to do with her. It's virtually pornography and it's unfair! Please have warnings on photos saying 18+ and we should have the option not to see it. Please. I dislike seeing this and it's happened many times and I just wanted to find out things I don't know and I couldn't read up on it because there was a disturbing image in the top right corner I didn't want to see and no one has any right to show me that especially without my permission so please change the page because I didn't come for that and I never will. Thank you.


 * Hello, . I'm sorry you were upset, but I'm afraid the answer is that Wikipedia is not censored. This has been discussed at length, and that is the conclusion of the community. Somewhere I have seen suggestions about how to avoid seeing images that might be disturbing, but I'm afraid I've not been able to find that: perhaps somebody else here can make a suggestion. --ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * This may be helpful: Help:Options to hide an image --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 14:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Delete Page Request
Hello,

I would like to have this page: AxCMS.net deleted.

Is there a possibility to delete this page quickly? If yes, please provide me the information how to do it.

Best regards Adriana0567 (talk) 12:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * You would need to start a deletion discussion.
 * Also, this edit suggests that you're potentially involved with the company- if so, then you need to disclose this and read Wikipedia's conflict of interest and or paid editing policies. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note the article is now at AfD. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

the page is too big. The fonts are too large. How do I reduce the size?
I must have pressed the wrong button because when I did the page got oversized. Please help104.12.77.138 (talk) 15:50, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Which page? Remove ''' from  if you want to reduce size. Fuortu (talk) 16:00, 15 February 2016‎
 * It sounds like you may have zoomed in on your browser. Try zooming out by pressing  and   at the same time (or   and   if you're on a Mac). ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 16:03, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ... or  to get back to default size. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Jakob S. Boeskov
Hi! My name is Jakob S. Boeskov and the wikipedia page about me contains some errors. Firstly: My name (as can be confirmed by Googling and checking out my website) is Jakob S. Boeskov. The below sentence is also incorrect and should perhaps be deleted. Expect from conceptual work i also exhibit art videos "Although he is most known for his more conceptual work, Boeskov mainly exhibits drawings and paintings"

(Expect from conceptual work i also exhibit art videos)

Thanks for correcting the misinformation WikiPedia rocks - information wants to be free!

Jakob — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.28.184 (talk) 18:04, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Post your comments, accompanied by reliable sources, at the talk page, Talk:Jakob Boeskov. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that you want the article moved from Jakob Boeskov to Jakob S. Boeskov? Robert McClenon (talk) 20:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It appears from Google that you are about equally often referred to as Jakob Boeskov and Jakob S. Boeskov. I have renamed (moved) your article to Jakob S. Boeskov.  Due to the feature of Wikipedia known as a redirect, Jakob Boeskov will still work.  I have changed the lede sentence to give you the middle initial.  Elsewhere, I changed the references to you from "Jakob Boeskov" to "Boeskov", the usual way to identify persons with Western-style names after their full name is provided.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:44, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Some extra letters crept into the preceding message! The article is at Jakob S. Boeskov and the redirect is at Jakob Boeskov. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:13, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. I have corrected the above spelling, thanks to John of Reading.  (If I should have left the errors standing, I apologize.  I acknowledge that he was right about the extra letters.)  Robert McClenon (talk) 06:41, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Fixing broken redirects to specific article sections
Hello. I am concerned with fixing redirects to sections that have been since renamed or perhaps removed, Note: I previously asked this question at the Teahouse, although my query was misunderstood and subsequently archived. I was wondering whether or not any bot could be able to fix this issue. For example: the redirect redirects to Section 1: the redirect #Local Heads of Government (1790–present) of the article List of rulers of the Pitcairn Islands. So, if the section title were to be renamed as, e.g. Local Heads of Government since 1790, the redirect would only link to the article in question (and no specific section in particular), as that section title would no longer exist. Is there any way this could be fixed automatically, so that the new section title is swiftly implemented to replace the old within the redirect? Thanks.--Neve–selbert 18:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I do not think that it is possible. How can the bot know that the renamed section stills contains anything related to the redirect? Ruslik_ Zero 20:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Is there any way of monitoring or tracking whether or not an article section redirect is broken or not?--Neve–selbert 22:55, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * See: Special:BrokenRedirects and WP:NOTBROKEN  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 23:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * There is http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/rdcheck.py to check section redirects pointing to a page, but they are hard to fix automatically. You could ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Redirect. I thought I saw a discussion about a database report for these, somewhere. —PC-XT+ 06:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info, . I have left a message on the WP talk page.--Neve–selbert 06:54, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * See also Bot requests/Archive 67. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 09:42, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

The same problem appears with links inside articles, not only redirects. For example maximum height in Binary tree (this is just an example of a link; it is not broken, because I can't find a broken one at once). --CiaPan (talk) 10:36, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Page Deleted
Hello,

I am working for musician Howard Fishman. Mr. Fishman claims there was a dedicated page - separate from sections on the album appearing on both his Wikipedia page and Connie Converse's Wikipedia page - for his recording, "Connie's Piano Songs" that has now been deleted. I have searched the deletion log, trying to spell and misspell the possible title of the page, but cannot find a record of deletion. I also cannot find the page on Wikipedia. Do you have access to some other list you can search for this page and respond to me with a summary of why the page was deleted? We would like to restore it, if possible.

-Nic Adams — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.230.28 (talk) 19:19, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Your employer has given you a doubly difficult, probably impossible, assignment. First, read conflict of interest.  You should not be editing articles about Howard Fishman.  It is true that you are not doing that, because you are, entirely reasonably, asking for help here.  However, he has asked you to restore the page, and neither he nor you should take an active part in restoring the page, if it did exist and was deleted.  You should simply be doing what you are, which is asking questions.  Second, he has evidently asked you to track down the deletion of a page that he hasn't identified.  I will also comment that the page Howard Fishman contains peacock language and needs to have its tone corrected.  I will also comment that Connie Converse is correctly categorized as a missing person and a possibly living person.  If you can identify the article, someone here may (but may not) request to have it undeleted by being moved into the user space of a neutral editor.  If you can name the article, we can look at least at its deletion record and possibly retrieve it, but probably not into article space without addressing why it was deleted (if it did exist and was deleted). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert McClenon (talk • contribs) 20:21, 15 February 2016‎

Thank you for this info!

-Nic

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input I wish to add some personal details about my family background, but you keep deleting them

 * Hello (I presume that is who added this question). Wikipedia is never interested in "personal details" unless they are confirmed by reliable published sources, and preferably sources unconnected with the subject. The problem with doing anything else is twofold: first, on the internet, anybody can claim to be anybody, so we have no way of knowing if you are who you claim to be. Secondly, even if the information is reliable when you enter it, somebody could change it next week or next month or next year, whether in good faith, or by mistake, or maliciously, and if there is no source cited a reader has no way to determine what is correct and what isn't.
 * If you are indeed Ken Wharton, please read WP:conflict of interest to understand why you are strongly discouraged from editing the article Ken Wharton, and how to request that changes be made to it. --ColinFine (talk) 20:58, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I think you meant to link to Ken Wharton (writer). The KW you linked to died in 1957. OTOH if the IP is that KW then Wikipedia is now haunted by ghosts and I think we better start an article about that :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:29, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
Look - I'm getting a bit tired of this. I have been trying (and trying and trying) to correct an egregious error in the citation for the American Motorcyclist Association. I want to add, so I can correct a racist error in the citation that makes it seem like the AMA recognized but did nothing about a supposed "all white" membership. I was the advertised AMA member used for their 1995 membership solicitation, and I am black. Ed Youngblood and I worked to make this effort in 1995,the same year the incomplete cite names as a citation - but leaves out that in the same year, I was the member shown in the solicitation. When I tried to get my correction into the text I got a flag that information was missing from the "cite/cite" (I don't have the symbol used). I put in that the citation related to page 35 of the August issue of Motorcyclist magazine. What,please, must I do to correct this stupidity? Though I do not, many people relate to Wikipedia an authority where true information is concerned. This citation is, without my addition,untrue and incomplete. I now see that the actual TRUTH may be so hard to impart via Wikipedia as to make it improbable that the actual truth reaches it BUT I WILL PERSIST. Please change this incorrect and racist citation. If needed,please inform me of exactly which contortions, mental or physical, I must perform to do so. But one way or the other CHANGE THIS CITATION, PLEASE.Spiritof67 (talk) 21:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I have corrected the immediate error, which was that you had an empty pair of as well as the pair you intended to put in. I have also moved the citation you added at the top to the place in the text where I think it is intended to go (as I think it is the citation to support the statement you added about Norman Gaines). --ColinFine (talk) 22:41, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Westroads Mall shooting
Since it's a knowledge question I can't submit it to the Humanities desk. My question is why every source says Hawkins is an American if he was born at an Air Force Base in the UK. Isn't that British citizenship? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.50.121.231 (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The article you linked to says that he was born to American parents at RAF Lakenheath. That article says that, though it is an RAF base, it hosts USAF units and personnel. According to British Nationality Law, if he had been born before 1983 he would have had British nationality; but he was born in 1988. --ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, as a general knowledge question, the Humanities desk is the correct place for this question. This desk is for asking how to edit articles and such. General knowledge stuff goes to the Reference Desk. Dismas |(talk) 02:07, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Dismas, I expect the IP OP was confused by the semi-protection currently on the Humanities RefDesk. There is of course an indirect submission route via the box at the top of the page, but ingrained habits may mean one doesn't notice it (just as one automatically ignores adverts on some other sites) – I know it took me a few days!. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 185.74.232.130 (talk) 14:49, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

erreur de photo pour l'amiral tainguy
bonsoir, la photo affichée de l'amiral Tainguy n'est pas correcte; Vous avez mis la photo de l'amiral Chomel de Jarnieu  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.30.192.196 (talk) 23:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * According to Google Translate, this is what I get for the above question:
 * error photo for Admiral Tainguy
 * Good evening, the displayed image of Admiral Tainguy is not correct; You put the photo of the Admiral Chomel Jarnieu.
 * And with that info, I think they are referring to Yann Tainguy. Dismas |(talk) 23:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ... and Benoît Chomel de Jarnieu. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:47, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I've removed the image from the Yann Tainguy article (verified by looking at his biography here). Though the image should be moved to a correct title on Commons. Dismas |(talk) 00:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Henry Lascelles, 4th Earl of Harewood
Plesae fix ref number 1 on this page is wrong. It has been changed for some reason and now is not correct Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 23:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The date parameter had 2 dates within it creating a ref error. An edit in the last day or so created a date field whereas previously the dates had formed part of the publisher parameter. I restored the dates to the publisher field and it seems to work, but it is not SoP and no doubt someone will change it again at some future point. Eagleash (talk) 23:56, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Two different documents, so should be two references (if they are both relevant). - David Biddulph (talk) 00:00, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I think the link only takes us to one (could be wrong about that); so it might be OK to remove the other one. Eagleash (talk) 00:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The 1867 reference, with an addition to the quote, was added in  by 101.182.136.195.  I've removed it for now (and taken the date back out of the location parameter), and the editor can add it back in as a separate ref if needed. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:04, 16 February 2016 (UTC)