Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 January 21

= January 21 =

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The first reference has errors as Cite uses deprecated parameter |coauthors= (help). Marvel Hero (talk) 04:41, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Murph 9000 (talk) 04:53, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia use the concept of archiving?
Dear all,

Is it possible to archive a page instead of deleting it?

Orschiro (talk) 09:20, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * It is possible, but we do not do it. There are however other sites, such as deletionpedia and wikibin (there may be others), who do archive old Wikipedia articles. - Arjayay (talk) 09:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * However, if an article has been deleted, it can be "recovered" by an admin, for editors to improve on, provided it was not a copy-vio. So, to contradict myself, they are archived, but the archives are not publically accessible. - Arjayay (talk) 09:35, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The replies so far have referred to articles specifically, but we do use archives for talk pages, see Help:Archiving a talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:46, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If an article is a candidate for deletion, it is physically possible to move it to a draft, or to user space. I don't think this commonly happens, though. Maproom (talk) 09:48, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * See also Userfication. If you have a specific page in mind then we can say more if you reveal it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you all for your responses! It solved my question.

Orschiro (talk) 12:32, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

A new article
Dear Editors! I need some help on my article about a Hungarian photographer. It is made from its Hungarian version. I usually make little editings on the Hungarian Wikipedia, but rarely on the the English. Could you check this article, and tell me what else I should do with it?

User:Bokorember/Zoltan Vancso

This is the source:

hu:Vancsó Zoltán

Thanks! Bokorember (talk) 11:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've moved it to Draft:Zoltan Vancso. The draft does not have the in-line citations that are required for a biography of a living person.  Maybe the Hungarian Wikipedia doesn't require them, but we do, so if it is submitted for review, it will be declined (not deleted).  Also, if the subject is Hungarian and in Hungary, where he is known as Vancso Zoltan, why is the Western name order being used?  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Dear Robert! Thanks. Unfortunatly I have no written sources of the in-line citations because they were spoken words on opening ceremonies of exhibitions. What does "will be declined" mean in this situation? About the name: Do you suggest we should use the original Hungarian name order on an English wiki pages? Should it be Vancsó Zoltán or Vancso Zoltan? If it is the rule I can rewrite it. And what about the other names in the article? Should I write the Hungarian version all of them in the article? Thank you Bokorember (talk) 09:58, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've seen the rule about whether to use the accent marks but don't remember. You can do a redirect from one to the other (and do the same for the reversed order) and, if it is determined that what you used is wrong, a move can be done. But a more important problem is your claim of not having a written record of what was said. Where are you getting the exact text? That would be your source. "Will be declined" could very well happen if you don't find a source that can be accessed by others, which means the article will not be accepted at this time, but could be later if it is improved.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks you! I have no any more sources on this. Vancsó Zoltán is my friend he gave me the text of the article. Bokorember (talk) 09:09, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Send me the reference model
Hi Wikipedia, Kindly send me the model to do reference for artilce about "Piraisoodan" on link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piraisoodan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ganeshperumalm (talk • contribs) 11:41, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , you may wish to read referencing for beginners. Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not maintain a list of approved sources.  The primary requirement is that sources must have editorial control, which generally means no blogs or user-generated content; however, there are exceptions.  If you have questions about a source's reliability, you can ask at the reliable sources noticeboard.  Some WikiProjects keep a list of sources they have found helpful.  For example, WikiProject Film's list of resources may help you source a filmography. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:20, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

How do I add my company to your reference list ?
Hi,

We have been manufacturing loudspeakers in the UK for over 40 years and are surprised we are not listed with you. I have created an account and would like to know how we can be added to your list ?

Many Thanks

Marie Bailey-Brown on behalf of OHM UK LTD http://www.ohm.co.uk/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohmuk (talk • contribs) 12:36, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello Marie Bailey-Brown. Wikipedia is not a company listing service, it is an encyclopedia, and contains articles about "notable" topics only. What we mean by "notable" in the case of a company is set out here. In brief, the firm has to have received significant coverage in independent publications. If you consider your company would qualify for an article on these terms, then you may request here that one be created. We discourage company representatives from creating articles about their own firms, as they have a "conflict of interest" and may find it difficult to maintain the required neutrality. With regards Noyster (talk),  13:21, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello Noyster, Thank you for your reply. When I put 'Loudspeaker Manufactures' into Google search Wikipedia came up so I clicked on it and noticed a list of Manufacturers who we know well but who's history we precede. Our MD is well known and respected in this industry worldwide and so I wondered how he / his brand could be added to this list of manufacturers ? . Kindest Regards Marie BB — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohmuk (talk • contribs) 13:35, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The list you refer to is a list of manufacturers who have a Wikipedia article about them. (All the names are in blue which is a link to their individual pages). The companies have therefore satisfied the criteria in respect of notability as outlined by Noyster above. Eagleash (talk) 13:46, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you and yes I realise that and have read the notability requirements of which we satisfy having been active in the development and manufacturing of loudspeakers and having a high number of articals covering our brand and its founder published in all the recognised industry publications over a period of 40 years plus. What I would like to know is how to request an artical ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.41.28 (talk) 14:18, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * There is a blue-link (the word 'here' just after 'request') in Noyster's earlier response. Good luck. Eagleash (talk) 14:23, 21 January 2016 (UTC):


 * There are a few ways to get an article on Wikipedia. Once the article is created, it's trivial to have it added to various lists and such.  If a company employee or contractor writes the article, then that person is considered to have a conflict of interest.  In such cases, it's best to go through articles for creation, where the prospective Wikipedia article will be validated by volunteers.  Requested articles, as was highlighted previously, is another choice.  A volunteer will then hopefully create the article for you.  Your request will go much faster if you can demonstrate coverage in trade magazines or newspapers. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much everyone for taking the time to answer my question you have all been so very helpful. Kindest Regards Marie BB — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.41.28 (talk) 14:54, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Nelsonville York High School
You state that Nelsonville York High School is located in Nelsonville, Ohio... It is not located in Nelsonville!! It is located in Buchtel, Ohio.. When Nelsonville High School and Buchtel York Consolidated back in 67 the High School was moved to Buchtel, Ohio,, Where it is located now and has been for a longtime.There are no Schools Located within the Nelsonville City.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.53.49.172 (talk) 12:58, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The school's website gives the address as "1 Buckeye Dr. Nelsonville, OH 45764", and our article on Buchtel, Ohio states "Buchtel borders the site of the Nelsonville-York City School District campus, but the school property is located within the Nelsonville City limits." Google Maps also shows the school inside the city limits. Rojomoke (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, Nelsonville in pink to the right includes a part extending East towards Buchtel. Nelsonville-York High School is in Nelsonville on Buckeye Drive, just West of the border on 12th St. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:48, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Discuss on the article talk page, Talk: Nelsonville-York High School. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

how to post page after edits
I have made several edits to the page and had a colleague include his. Also, I've waited two weeks for approval. Now what? Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.6.94.74 (talk) 16:16, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This is the only edit from your IP address, so your previous edits were made from a different IP address. As a result, we have no idea what draft you are asking to have reviewed.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:21, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Google Images question
May I gain permission to use your google images on the Google Images site for a power point presentation to use in an Air Conditioning class at our local community college? Thank you, Bob Humphrey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brossh777 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand the question. Google Images has no connection to Wikipedia.  Since this is your only edit, we can't infer anything about context.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * we might be able to advise better if you post a link to the image you're looking to use. Any of our image pages will contain details of the licensing terms under which that image is made available. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 21:37, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Most (but not all) images used in Wikipedia, and all images in Wikimedia Commons, may be freely reused for any purpose as long as they are properly attributed: see reusing Wikipedia content for more information. Whether you actually found the images by Google Images or some other way does not affect this. --ColinFine (talk) 01:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Le Creuset Logo
I am trying to update the Le Creuset logo to the newer one. I uploaded it and got a message that it violated copyright laws. Would you please advise how to to upload this image and not violate copyright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Squigley17 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Greetings. If you are an employee, you may want to ask the company (its legal department? Not sure who is in charge of copyrights there) to donating the logo to Commons. Otherwise, you may want to upload it to Wikipedia as "non-free logo" or "PD-USOnly" - not sure right now which one would apply here, that logo is very simple but might juuust be complex enough.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * A big part of the problem is that you didn't provide any information on the copyright status of the logo. Take a look at some other logos like the ones in the commons category I've linked to see how they are labeled. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:24, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Help with Thoro-Vac Central Vacuum System
Hi there- I'm not sure how to publish an article regarding the above company. I have saved the page and if I'm reading correctly, it has to be reviewed prior to it being published?

Could someone guide me through my first article?

Thanks! Emilyn — Preceding unsigned comment added by ITlife2016 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This is your only edit. If you have saved it, were you editing from an IP address?  We can't review the draft if we don't know where it is.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:00, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Is the page saved on your own computer? You don't seem to have made any other edit to Wikipedia under the current user name.  If you were not logged on when you saved the article, then it is difficult for us to find it.  One problem might be that we already have an article Central vacuum cleaner.  Does your article add anything that is not advertising?   D b f i r s  21:06, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Clicking "filter log" at Special:Contributions/ITlife2016 and then "details" leads to Special:AbuseLog/14404781. Is that the text you mean? It looks like it wasn't saved or has been hidden but I'm not sure why. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't guess why your article was not saved, but if it had been saved, it probably would have been speedily deleted for not indicating why Thoro-Vac is important enough to have an article in an encyclopedia; most companies are not that important. The subjects of Wikipedia articles must be "notable" in the special sense of having received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Has Thoro-Vac received such coverage? —teb728 t c 10:40, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Citing same book but different pages
Is there a way of citing the same book but different pages, without rewriting the whole source? As in Shadwell which I'm working on, I have multiple references to the Porter book, just with different page numbers. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The rp template is the one you are looking for. Add it to the end of a reference with the page number as a parameter. So  --Majora (talk) 22:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Ready?
Does this article seem ready for mainspace? Min al Khadr (talk) 23:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Huh, it is in mainspace.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 00:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * But I mean without the under construction template. Min al Khadr (talk) 00:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 00:09, 22 January 2016 (UTC)