Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 January 25

= January 25 =

Large links for "edit" on a section
Why are the edit links on each of the sections of Geytin so much larger than on most articles (One-man_operation to pick one example) ? RudolfRed (talk) 01:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems that there was something dodgy going on with the server that last parsed it from source into cached article. A quick WP:PURGE fixed it for me.   Murph 9000  (talk) 01:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! RudolfRed (talk) 01:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Re information on start a page for prominent organization
I would like to know how to create a page for a prominent chamber of commerce — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.3.207 (talk) 02:04, 25 January 2016‎ (UTC)


 * You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article and How to write a great article, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article, but you will need to create an account to use it. if you don't wish to do so, you can submit a proposal for an article at Articles for Creation.
 * Murph 9000 (talk) 02:07, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, anonymous user. I would like to give you some advice which may avoid frustration later on. Please let go of thinking about "a page for" the organisation, and think instead of "an article about" the organisation. Many people come to Wikipedia basically wanting to tell the world about their organisation, because it "ought to have a page", or because "it has no presence on Wikipedia". That motivation is called promotion here, and is not permitted on Wikipedia. If the chamber of commerce has been "noted" - written about, at length, by people unconnected with it, then Wikipedia will take notice of it and allow an article about it, which should be nearly 100% based on what those unconnected people have written. What the organisation itself says about itself is of very little relevance. If you start from this realisation, you are likely to have a less frustrating time. I would also advise anybody at all to get some experience editing existing articles before plunging into the hard task of writing a new article. --ColinFine (talk) 10:04, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on 2016 in American television
Reference help requested.

What error did i make

Thanks, Iron max 2 (talk) 02:27, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , minimally, but you need to figure out if that row should be Disney Channel or Disney XD, as it is kinda both right now, and breaking the table formatting. The ref could also do with being fleshed out with some more parameters for cite web, to help prevent / mitigate WP:LINKROT.  The problem was   vs.  .   Murph 9000  (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

How to respond to article messages such as Refimprove ?
I recently updated an article that contained a message. Now or eventually, I would like to see this message removed. How does that happen? Should I somehow request a more-senior editor to review the article? Or, is it up to me to simply delete the message whenever I judge that the article issue has been addressed? Thanks.
 * When you feel the references have been sufficiently improved, you can remove the message yourself. If you want to get another opinion, you could always contact the editor who added the message in the first place. Popcornduff (talk) 04:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

David Cobb, Green Party
Question moved from "Wikipedia talk:Help desk". Murph 9000 (talk) 08:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

your research center indicates that there is no political campaign button for the David Cobb 2004 recount, during the famous political recount back in Columbus,Ohio in 2004. P.S., there actually was, blue wolf [email address redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.220.243 (talk) 00:30, 24 January 2016‎ (UTC)
 * I'm unclear exactly which Wikipedia article you feel has a factual error. We have over 5 million of them to maintain!  If you can provide the exact name of the article you feel has a factual error, and specific detail on the changes you believe should be made, we will be quite happy to take a look at it.  N.B. it would help considerably if you could cite good independent reliable sources (or even an official source directly connected to the subject, if independent sources are unavailable) to support the change.  Any evidence that assists us in verification of the facts greatly appreciated.   Murph 9000  (talk) 08:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

New article
Dear Wikipedians,

I have worked on new article. I would like to ask about advices what to do to make it better. Is it possible to accept my draft? Draft:Michał Cander

regards, ZBIK89 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zbik89 (talk • contribs)
 * A couple of quick things I noticed: (1) your drafts generally should only have blue links, not red links - so if the articles don't yet exits, don't link to them; (2) Did you, personally take the photo used on the page? And/or are you Mr. Cander? (3) Exhibitions are just a simple list that is unreferences/cited, you might do better with replacing the list with a narrative which citations; (4) find English sources, if possible. Since this is the English wikipedia, having references/citations in English are greatly preferred. -- I hope those help. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I will work on it! Ad.2 I am not Mr. Cander, but I am author of his photo, so it is OK according to rules :) I will ask you againd for help when I finish my article :) Thank you for your support! :)

Stats broken. again
Page view statistics has not updated since January 20. Where on Wikipedia (not on wp:phabricator)  can one file a problem report? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)please ping me
 * Which link are you using to view page statistics? If you are referring to Henrik's tool then you should contact them at User Talk:Henrik as that tool is not run by Wikipedia, but is a third-party tool. HOWEVER, there is a know problem that has already been reported to him. If you are referring to different tool, please provide a link to it. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I am using the Page view statistics-link that shows up every time I click View history on a wiki-page. Can you please explain your third-party comment: are you saying that WMF has contracted a third party to provide these statistics? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 13:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)please ping me

Spam question
Please help me with... Hi,

I hope that you can help. For all 46 Wiki pages relating to Booker Prize Winners, I recently added a reference link to my website, www.collectibleEx.com. I now notice that this link has been removed in all 46 cases.

Its my belief that the link I added was a credible reference link, which uses both narrative and photos to assist in identifying the UK first edition of the book. It also attempts to calculate a fair price using multiple market sources. To my knowledge, this is unique on the web.

Please take a look. This isn't money making, it is about helping collectors identify first editions. For some, it will be hugely beneficial.

It was my understanding that this was exactly the ethos Wiki was trying to promote: collective knowledge share?

The time and effort consumed in compiling this data for all 46 books was long and arduous, taking weeks of research.

Please can you explain why all 46 links were removed by Hobbes Goodyear (User:Hobbes Goodyear)?

I'd be very interested to hear your response,

Kind regards,

Andrew Cox (coxandy) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coxandy (talk • contribs) 16:37, 25 January 2016‎ (UTC)


 * Try reading WP:LINKSPAM. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:49, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Just thinking that your linkspam edit is so useful that it should be exempt from the rule against linkspam doesn't override the policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:10, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Issues with wikipage
Hi wiki, about a week back there's been issues on wikipage Lavdrim Muhaxheri. Two users and one admin have made comments on synth -issues and such. Thus trying to discuss it, the article is being reversed to a version with synth issues and they keep issuing warnings when I reverse from the synth - issue version. I would need some admin help since they're ambition seems more to vandalize rather than to discuss.KewinRozzKewinRozz (talk) 17:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You are close to violating WP:RRR which means that if you revert a page three times you may be blocked for Edit Warring. As a result, I recommend you discussing it on the article talk page, Talk:Lavdrim_Muhaxheri or discussing the details with the admin directly on their talk page. Do NOT keep insisting your edits, a discussion needs to take place now. Only after you resolve your differences on the talk, you can then re-edit the page. If you still are having problems you can ask for Dispute Resolution assistance, but I believe more discussion on the talk page needs to take place first. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If you are getting repeated warnings both in edit summaries and your user talk page from an admin who has been on Wikipedia for 10+ years, you need to take a big step backwards and not touch the article. Then take a deep breath, possibly more than a few deep breaths.  Then calmly, concisely, and specifically, explain the biggest concerns you have with the article on its talk page.  Make sure that there's no generalisation, identify specific concerns in detail, while trying to avoid creating a wall-o-text.  Leave the minor stuff until later, it can wait.  Post it to the talk page, and wait.  Wait a couple of days, if need be.  Don't start editing that article again until things are calm and there's some reasonable agreement or consensus on the talk page about how to move forward.  It really doesn't matter how right you are, and how wrong "they" are, edit warring rather than discussing will likely only end badly for you.  If the article sucks right now, so be it, there's no deadline on fixing it.  Right now, from the sound of it, the consensus is against you.  Calm, reasoned argument on specific content issues that matter is the way to change that, or at least find a mutually acceptable solution.  See also dispute resolution.  Murph 9000  (talk) 17:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I've discussed it but they don't discuss with me, read the talk page, I've pointed out that the version they've now reverted to has synth -issues, which it didn't in the previous version and I've pointed specifically to the parts, I believe the page is now vandalized KewinRozzKewinRozz (talk) 18:01, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, keep following the dispute resolution process. Making a reasonable attempt to talk it out on the article's talk page is the first step.  The process details the options available beyond that.  For the third / outside opinion, you could try seeking opinions on the closest related WikiProject's talk page.   Murph 9000  (talk) 18:07, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

How To Create Article Links
Hello! I'm new to editing on Wikipedia and I need some help. On the Grant Morrison page, I want to add an appearance he made as a comic character in a comic book. But I'm not sure how to create a link leading to that comic's article page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewyoung00 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 25 January 2016‎ (UTC)
 * As you can see from this edit your changes were removed. This is because you inserted information without citing a reliable source for the information you were inserting. In general the addition of new information require an inline reference/citation. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:46, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

What edit was my first mainspace page create?
Is there any easy way to tell what number edit was my first mainspace page create?Naraht (talk) 20:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Your first createed article was Harold Roe Bartle. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 20:30, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The easy way to find that is to go to your contributions and click on the "Articles created" link at the bottom of the page. —teb728 t c 20:35, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hence the edit number was --David Biddulph (talk) 20:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, those are very useful, but what I wanted was "The Creation of Harold Roe Bartle was *my* 958th edit" If indeed it was my 958th, that number: 958 is what I'm looking for.Naraht (talk) 22:58, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * For that you can go to your contributions, click on the "oldest" link, and count up from the bottom. By my count it was your 62nd edit. (This assumes of course that none of your first 62 edits was deleted.) —teb728 t c 21:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Layout on Mean Machine Angel
I just noticed that Mean Machine Angel has enlarged "Edit" links, and they're not encased in square brackets as on other pages - such as The Angel Gang.

There don't seem to be any template or style differences - not that I'm an expert on such things - but why should this be? Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:01, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I do not see anything unusual on that page. Ruslik_ Zero 20:33, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps related to the problem I saw earlier on Geytin RudolfRed (talk) 20:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I hadn't seen that, but yeah, sounds like the same problem. Cheers.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:34, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

John F Kennedy
I wish to carry out extensive modifications to the John F Kennedy article. Can I be allowed to edit it? --Aråpolo (talk) 21:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * That page is semi-protected for a reason. If you want you can wait until you fulfill the requirements to become autoconfirmed or you can use the article's talk page to request an edit on your behalf. In any case, extensive modifications should always be discussed anyways. There are over 1,000 people that watch that page so any suggestions on the talk page should get some input. --Majora (talk) 21:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * However, edits like [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AHelp_desk&type=revision&diff=701667105&oldid=701666107 this] will be rejected and are considered vandalism. Repeated attempts to add that information into the article can result in your editing privileges being revoked. Wikipedia runs on published reliable sources. Not your own take on a situation or event. --Majora (talk) 21:34, 25 January 2016 (UTC)