Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 January 26

= January 26 =

Robert Canetti
Please, help me:1-which references I need to delete ( or maybe I shouldn't)from article? 2- I have copies of old newspapers about Canetti and his concerts etc, but I cant find in internet. Can I do pdf scan for the article reference?--strad21 (talk) 00:02, 26 January 2016 (UTC) THanks
 * In regards to Robert Canetti, It does seem a *bit* much there at the end, but rather too many than not enough. You may want to pull more specific information from each reference about Mr. Canetti, perhaps about specific concerts. In regards to old newspapers. Wikipedia references do *not* have to be available online, just available for anyone who wants to do the research (even if they have to work some). See the Template:Cite newspaper which will give more information. And I'd like to thank you for a much more useful topic than the question above it Naraht (talk) 22:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Replacing Bio photo
Hello, Jack Mackenroth is a friend and he has asked me to update his bio (the text is done) and his bio photo. I cannot figure out how to replace the outdated one with the new one he sent me.The photo is uploaded here, and I can add it to the page, but cannot figure out how to replace it in the info box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winterschild11 (talk • contribs)


 * Couple of points: your edits to the article have been reverted and suppressed for being far too promotional in tone. Please follow the instructions on the image information page to provide appropriate permission for the image. Until it has been provided, the image should not be used in the article.--ukexpat (talk) 02:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Adding map to a page
I was wanting to add a map to a Wikipedia page that has a long list of place names, with links from the list to the places on the map and vice-versa. What's the easiest way to do this?
 * This sounds like a question for WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:32, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Re-nominating a page for deletion.
I nominated Jordan Baker (basketball) for deletion back in December because I felt like he failed both WP:GNG and WP:NBASKETBALL, as the Mexican League is not, in my eyes, up to par with the other leagues mentioned in NBASKET. After three weeks of discussion, I felt like the admin was going to delete the article. However, they closed the debate with a "no consensus" decision. Is there any way to either: Edit the NBASKET guidelines to replace the "similar leagues" wording with an actual list of similar leagues so that there is no more debate (similar to WP:FPL for football) or re-nominate the article for discussion? Which do you advise and how would I do it? The discussion can be found here by the way. Thank you! JTtheOG (talk) 01:02, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, there is a sort of guidance already which should perhaps have been considered - see WikiProject_Basketball/Fully_professional_leagues referenced from WikiProject_Basketball. Further discussion regarding that point might usefully be had on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball -- ℕ  ℱ  01:12, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If you believe that the closer used poor judgment, you may request deletion review. Simply starting another AFD is considered tendentious.  Robert McClenon (talk)
 * It is not automatically tendentious - there may be very good reasons to do so at times. Such as information that was not considered at the original discussion which would have had a significant bearing. It would be quite odd for a deletion discussion not to make specific reference to a list of leagues that had been prepared as a guideline for that specific notability situation. Like many other things, it is a judgement call. -- ℕ  ℱ  03:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Is there a Wikipedia template that calculates a person's current age?
Is there a Wikipedia template that calculates a person's current age? I'd like one that lists only the age, but not the birth date alongside it. Also, I'd like one that lists the age in years only, not years with days. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Age maybe?--ukexpat (talk) 02:15, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Age as of date Gives age only. Refer to Age calculation templates for more info. Cheers! JoeHebda   (talk)  02:34, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Well, neither is what I am looking for.  Is there one that will work like 24 does, but render a result that includes the word "years" (for example:  108 such that the template gives the result "100 years" instead of simply "100")?   And the  is not applicable unless I know the person's age on a given date, correct?   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:05, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * What's wrong with just coding: " 108 years "? Rwessel (talk) 06:32, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * OK. Thanks.  I didn't know it can be done that way.  I am not too familiar with those templates.  Thanks!   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 07:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:27, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

How to resolve issue with rude and unwelcoming user
Hi I have been having an issue where user:Sundayclose is accusing me of vandalism when I do not believe I have vandalized pages based upon:

″Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism. Edit warring over content is not vandalism." sourced from : Vandalism

I have attempting to resolve the issue with user:Sundayclose however he is being rude and unwelcoming, threatening to ban be and commanding me to stay off his talk page. How else can I resolve the issue with user:Sundayclose if he commands me to not use his talk page? All I need is some clarification here

Thanks,

108.56.72.183 (talk) 02:33, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I left another message with the user but he has deleted it. I'm really at a loss on how to deal with such a rude user 108.56.72.183 (talk) 02:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You are both being stubborn. You (unregistered user) were originally told that you were introducing incorrect material, and were advised to take it to the article talk page.  You did not.  You instead repeated the reverted edit, rather than discussing.  Only then did the other editor warn you for vandalism.  Your repeating of the edit was not vandalism, but it was persisting in editing without discussion.  You should both discuss at the article talk page.  If that fails, read the dispute resolution policy and follow a dispute resolution procedure.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:07, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd like to note that And stay off my talk page. does seem a little out of order to me (just my personal opinion) shortly below If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. I was unable to spot a clear justification in the messages left by 108 to justify such hostility.  Now, to be completely clear, as an isolated incident, I don't believe that it's in any way a serious matter worthy of sanctions, only that it feels a bit out of order to me, and could have been handled better.  It is just something to improve on.  We all have bad days, we all make errors of judgement, misinterpret someone else's intent, etc; it happens.  Viewed through a WP:AGF lens, I see no clear case of vandalism, just an otherwise unremarkable content dispute and failure to follow the correct procedure of discussing it on talk pages after the first revert (108, that part squarely is on you, not using talk pages at the first opportunity, and when the message left for you (quoted above) actually invited you to talk).  And, for the avoidance of doubt, yes, I agree with Robert.   Murph 9000  (talk) 17:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Promotional Article
I came across the article Enders Analysis and believe it is mostly promotional. I'm not sure that it's even notable. To me, it looks mostly like an advertisement. Many of the sources are the companies' own website. Most of the others are just trivial mentions of the company. There are no links to it except one in a list of companies based in England. I think it should be flagged with {advert}, {Orphan}, {notability}, {refimprov}, etc. or possibly nominated for deletion? According to the history, there appears to have been some review when it was created by {Wikipedia:AFC}. I'm unsure if I should nominate it for deletion or just add the above tags. I already asked this question at {Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions} and User:Cullen328 took a look and said he agreed with my assessment; go ahead and improve it (first choice) or tag it. I'm looking for a little more guidance. I'm not interested in improving this article myself. I realize that AFD is the proper place to have a discussion about deletions but aren't sure if I should take that route. MB (talk) 02:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Title blacklist question: - Draft: AFIYA FUNKYSOULSTRESS BEY
I reviewed User:Anita Smith BBJ/sandbox and declined it for multiple reasons. Whatever it is, it isn’t an encyclopedic draft. It doesn’t look anything like an encyclopedic draft. However, I tried to move it to Draft: AFIYA FUNKYSOULSTRESS BEY , the preferred location for an AFC submission. I was unable to do so, because it is on the title blacklist. This question isn’t urgent, since the sandbox draft either will never be ready for acceptance or will not be ready soon. However, can someone please tell me why the title is on the blacklist? Is it a simple matter of salting, or something else? I thought that salting normally only blacklisted the title in mainspace, not in draft space. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

By the way, I am not asking whether the sandbox should be accepted. That is obvious: Not as it is, and maybe never. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I can't see any evidence that the title is blacklisted, but why would you want to move it to a title which is SHOUTING, see WP:TITLEFORMAT? --David Biddulph (talk) 03:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The title that I tried to move it to was the title contained on the line provided by the Article Wizard that appears to be intended to be the title. The ?  move failed with the message that the title is blacklisted.  Does it blacklist upper case titles?  Should I fold the title and move it, leaving it declined as probably never notable?  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * One of the rules at MediaWiki:Titleblacklist is labelled "Disallows moves with more than nine consecutive capital letters" -- John of Reading (talk) 07:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It would be more informative if it stated that rule, but I can see that its purpose is to prevent Shouting in titles.  A few editors at AFC provide solid upper case titles in sandboxes.  I see that the key is to title case or sentence case the title.  Thank you.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:46, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's at Draft:Afiya Funkysoulstress Bey, but for now it is very far from being an article. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:47, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric
I had difficulty with ref number 2 on the above page. Otherwise, all good we think. 101.182.146.167 (talk) 03:56, 26 January 2016 (UTC) Thanks
 * What exactly is wrong? Rwessel (talk) 06:34, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric - dead link??? Ref number 11 was copied from another page and it is not good. I would appreciate your help and hope that this article is all OK. Thanks so much 101.182.146.167 (talk) 07:07, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I just checked and ref 11 is OK now! 101.182.146.167 (talk) 09:12, 26 January 2016 (UTC) Is the page OK?

Relate Institute page
Hello, The page entitled 'Relate Institute' is no longer valid. The organization no longer exists and the information in this page is therefore invalid. Please can the whole page be removed? Thank you. 62.232.12.82 (talk) 09:09, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source to state the Institute no longer exists? - I have tried its website and that cannot be found. However, just because something no longer exists does not mean it should not be covered by Wikipedia - or we would have to delete most of our history articles.  It would be helpful if we could report the closing of the course, with a date and a reason, and then change the tense of the article to past. - Arjayay (talk) 09:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The former website now just redirects to Relate, but there is another Relate Institute at Brigham Young University. Perhaps our article should include this in the present tense as well as Doncaster in the past.    D b f i r s   09:26, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric
I have tried to do a ref. as a BOOK. This is hard for me and therefore ref. 7 is wrong. I need the long "ISMB" number (or whatever it is called). Please help me. I am tired now so will not ask for help again. Thanks as usual. Please help 101.182.146.167 (talk) 10:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I have tidied the refs up a bit (see this diff). To cite a book you can use the template. If you are using google books, the ISBN number can be found by clicking "about this book" and scrolling to the bottom of the page. Sarahj2107 (talk) 11:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Amos John
PLEASE WHAT DO I DO FOR MY PAGE NOT TO BE DELETED??? http://pastoramosjohn.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wideassets (talk • contribs) 10:34, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)

I've deleted the page. Someone here can explain further. Also, could someone please check http://wideassets.com/ to see if it is connected to Amos John. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, Amos John registered wideassets.com.  D b f i r s   10:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you kindly. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:05, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * A fairly minor point, please do not WP:SHOUT. :)   Murph 9000  (talk) 11:19, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric
Thanks so much for all your help. There seems to e a funny "maths" sign near ref. number 9. Please remove it if you can and if it does not muck things up. I am too scared! Thanks101.182.146.167 (talk) 12:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC) If you preview your edits, there should be never be a problem, but even if there is, just go to the page history, and undo your edit.- Arjayay (talk) 12:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It was just a stray "<" symbol - probably left over from a - how many times do people have to explain that you can't really "muck things up"?

Thanks - one more thing - sorry- there should be a gap between the words "sport and stalking" in ref number 12 on the Glen Affric page... I am too tired and scared to do it. PLEASE do it for an old teacher!101.182.146.167 (talk) 12:24, 26 January 2016 (UTC) thanks again but please help me! ✅ Eagleash (talk) 12:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Feedback?
Where do one ask for feedback on an article? --TheReferenceProvider (talk) 13:19, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, step one would be to name and link the article, as the official WP crystal balls are on back order… ;-) Best initial idea is probably to try the most closely related WikiProject which shows some signs of activity.   Murph 9000  (talk) 14:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answer. Unfortunately, I don't understand what "as the official WP crystal balls are on back order" means. Will you please explain? Thank you. (The article I would like feedback on is Steinway & Sons). --TheReferenceProvider (talk) 14:09, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I was just making light of cases where people don't specify which of our over 5 million articles they are talking about. The article "crystal ball" may help it make sense, i.e. we don't have crystal balls to know what "an article" refers to.  The point being, please name the article if asking for help, as it makes it more likely you will get the best response, most relevant information, etc.  If you look at Talk:Steinway & Sons, there are several WikiProjects tagged for that article, with links to take you directly to them.  Now that you have named it here (which has a fairly wide audience), you've probably already got people taking a look at it, but the WikiProjects get you people with specific areas of interest and expertise.   Murph 9000  (talk) 14:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Weird edit link
I'm not sure if you can see this, but in Abacetus suboccidentalis, there is an odd edit link next to the section title of references. Besides, I can't see the edit link on the lead despite enabling it in preferences. There doesn't seem to be anything weird in the Wiki markup though. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 13:47, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I couldn't see anything wrong but have purged the page anyway. There are a couple of similar reports further up this help desk where a purge has fix it. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Bessacarr and Cantley politics
I would like to correct a statement in the above mentioned article. It is stated that no political party had a solid hold on the mentioned ward from 1999 to 2014. I would like to inform you that three Liberal Democrats Councillors had a secure hold on the ward from my election in 1998 until my dismissal by the party in 2014. The reason of my dismisal was that I considered it more important to maintain the good work the Liberal Democrats were doing for the town, the residents and therefore the Party by having two Councillors on Mayor Davies's Cabinet. Due to losing my wife and being diagnosed with prostate cancer I stood down in 2008 and was replaced by another Liberal Democrat. After recovering ftom surgery I returned to Council in 2012 and I was approached by Mayor Davies to see if I too would join his Cabinet. Mayor Davies having dropped his English Democrat Party on realising their policies were unworkable was reliant on the assistance of other parties. I said if he was returned in the 2014 elections I would consider being the third Liberal Democrat on his four Councillor Cabinet. The Doncaster Liberal Democrat's Executive told me they were putting forward a Liberal Democrat Mayoral Candidate. I told them not to do it, I told them of the position and the fact that if Mayor Davies was returned three Liberal Democrat Cabinet Members could be running Doncaster, but for that to happen Mayor Davies would require every vote he could get his hands on. The Exec wouldn't listen, they thought it more important that a free leaflet went through every door in Doncaster stating the Liberal Democrat policies than to have their Councillors carrying on the improvements to the town that they had started. The Exec Chair stood as the Mayoral Candidate. I told my ward supporters to be careful where they placed their X. I did not say vote for Mayor Davies or vote for the Liberal Democrat Candidate. The result Labour got 27,300 votes, Mayor Davies got 26,700 and the Liberal Democrat Candidate got 1,500 votes. I was invited to Leeds to a disciplinary hearing, which I declined and was subsequently dismissed for not supporting the Liberal Democrat Candidate, one of my colleagues retired and the other resigned because of the treatment I had recieved. So you see, not only was there a solid Liberal Democrat set in the Bessacarr and Cantley Ward, we almost took control of Doncaster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.238.186 (talk) 17:53, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)


 * For convenience, the article is Bessacarr. --ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, anonymous former councillor. As the statement in question was unsourced, I have removed it from the article, as anybody may do to unsourced statements in articles. I have not read your account above, since (as an equally unsourced account) it is irrelevant to Wikipedia. If you wish to argue for a change to any article, the article's talk page is the best place to do it, and preferably with a reference to independent reliable published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

mentioning isolated crime on town's page
Blackstone, MA. Is it really necessary to mention one isolated incident to smear a whole town? I think not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:190:401:b9b9:84cd:d53e:2b3a:8bd5 (talk) 18:10, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)
 * I agree. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:19, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I am inclined to agree that this is disproportionate; but the article's talk page is the place to discuss what goes into the article. --ColinFine (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Main page
What happened to the main page? It's different and tiny all of a sudden. It's just the featured article and in the news. Everything else is gone. Smartyllama (talk) 18:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I asked the same thing at Talk:Main Page- looks like it's now fixed. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * (e/c) That was very strange. I purged the page, and it sprang back into shape. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:21, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Must be some strong laxative you used, John. Drmies (talk) 18:23, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Can't get to the commons
I don't know if anybody else is having this problem, and I'm pretty sure I've had this glitch before, but all of the sudden, every time I try to go to the commons, I get redirected to the Wikimedia Foundation page, which keeps refusing to recognize content, and claims they want me to sign in, but doesn't recognize my signature, like Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, and Wikiquotes. -User:DanTD (talk) 18:40, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This is being dealt with at Village pump (technical). -- John of Reading (talk) 18:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

White Castle (restaurant)
This company bio is incomplete. The company has two divisions: Restaurant and Retail products. Both are the same parent company. Retail products division was created 35 years ago. It has grown from one to three manufacturing sites, continuing to expand geographies growing sales. Just entered Canada in 2015. Contact corporate for more information and updating of company bio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.234.106.147 (talk) 19:20, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)
 * Discuss at Talk: White Castle (restaurant). Robert McClenon (talk) 21:43, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Problems with the Page on "Mahdavia"
Hello -

I am writing to report that there are multiple misrepresentations and misinformation on the page titled "Mahdavia". As a representative of the Mahdavia community, my request is to delete the page from WikiPedia, as it is misrepresentation of facts.

Thank you.

Roshan Sayed USA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsayed786 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)
 * Hello, Roshan. Wikipedia does not really work like that, removing an entire article based on a very vague claim of inaccuracy.  Please explain your concerns in specific detail on the article's talk page, as a first step.  We need to know the specific things that you believe are inaccurate, the nature of the inaccuracy, and how you believe it should be corrected.  We value input from anyone who wishes to assist in correcting errors and improving accuracy, especially if that input includes reliable sources to support the desired changes.  Thanks.   Murph 9000  (talk) 19:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Angelina Jolie
Reference help requested.

How do I fix the error I made in my edit on the Angelina Jolie page?

Thanks, Knockadooma (talk) 20:32, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * You probably intended a  parameter. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:37, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , in technical terms. I didn't verify accuracy or anything like that, leaving that up to you.    was needed, as David suggested.  You can see it in the article's revision history.   Murph 9000  (talk) 20:40, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Take down a redundant page
How can I have a page taken down for an organization that I belong to that no longer exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.14.131 (talk) 23:10, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)


 * You can't. Blanking the page was the worst thing you could do! If you can give us a reliable reference that confirms it no longer exists, we'll just add that information and change the text to past tense.  Do you mean "used to belong to"?    D b f i r s   23:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If the organization did previously exist, the fact that it no longer exists should be noted, because if it was notable, its existence in the past is notable. Many organizations that no longer exist are historically notable.  If it has disbanded, you may mention that on the article talk page, or edit the article, but be prepared to discuss.  If the organization never existed, and I don't think you are saying that, you can request speedy deletion as a hoax, but I don't think that is what you are saying.  What you really need to do is to provide evidence that it has disbanded.  Blanking an article, except under very rare exceptions (such as copyright violation or slander) is often considered vandalism.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:26, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Please do not request speedy deletion as a hoax without very strong and verifiable evidence to support the claim. The article has been around for quite a while, and it has diverse references.  A speedy deletion nomination as a hoax needs to be strongly supported in that situation, otherwise it could be seen as vandalism.  In the meantime, I've done a little cosmetic cleanup of the article.   Murph 9000  (talk) 23:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think this explains why someone wants the article taken down. Maproom (talk) 12:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * That isn't a reason to take the article down, but a reason to summarize the information in that newspaper article, which is a reliable source. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Did this organisation just change its name to "Australian Refugee Volunteers", or is that under different management. Should we have an article?    D b f i r s   09:11, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * http://www.abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbnHistory.aspx?SearchText=36370480735 suggests that it is the same organisation. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I also found this article so I think we have sufficient evidence to mention the connection in appropriate articles.    D b f i r s   09:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC)