Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 June 27

= June 27 =

template creation - technical assistance
I have run into opening/closing braces problems while creating a template. How can I request assistance from someone with better technical understanding? The template in question is Template:Infobox uncontested presidential election small, and an unwanted code appears when used on a page (such as "{{#if:2012June 20162020| | colspan=4 |"). Brilliantwiki2 (talk) 02:34, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Is that better? I think you were missing a proper close to the if and cell end.  Rwessel (talk) 04:43, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, many thanks! I made some sandbox tests and everything seems to be properly closed now. Brilliantwiki2 (talk) 08:48, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on United Kingdom local elections, 2003
Reference help requested.

Hi can somebody please help with my broken reference name on this page. Thanks Timjones86 (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Timjones86 (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * In the error message, the words "help desk" are in blue, indicating that they are a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text. You can't use a named reference without having defined it. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

List of islam movements by country
Hi, in analogy with  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fascist_movements_by_country_A%E2%80%93F I would welcome a list of islam movements.

Is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.194.221.65 (talk) 13:00, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I found a few things that may be related to what you're looking for. Category:Islamic organizations by country is an existing page, as is Category:Islamist groups. If you don't think either of these is quite what you're looking for then you can request a list to be created or even better you can create one yourself. Both of WP:YFA and MOS:LIST would be good places to read first. Hope that helps! --AndrewJD (talk) 13:22, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Article recreation (Roundme)
Hi, My name is Helen! Ive created my first article and published it on Wikipedia. But unfortunatelly later on it was deleted due to "unambigious advertising" matter. I contacted the administrator and explained that I understood the fault. Moreover I studied all the guidlines more carefully and rewrote the article in a neutral form that meets Wiki content policies. Now I want to publish it again, but I still see the ban (blue lock) under the name of my edit source. I will appreciate if you could help by advice as for what could be done in this issue. The link is provided https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Template%3AUnreviewed-preload&editintro=Template%3AUnreviewed-editintro&summary=&nosummary=&prefix=&minor=&title=Roundme&create=Create+a+new+article+directly I am very confussed and upset about this situation and really want to solve the problem! Thanks in advance. Helen roundme (talk) 14:29, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The article seems to be at User:Helen roundme/sandbox.
 * , there is a blue button at the top of the article that says "Submit article for review". Click that and it will put it in a queue for review. It may take a couple weeks for someone to get to it as there is a large queue. Dismas |(talk) 14:37, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * . There is a draft article at Draft:roundme, which you could make your contributions to and then submit for review via the articles for creation process. However, the fact that you are trying to create an article containing your own username may suggest you have a conflict of interest. P p p  e r  y   (talk) 14:41, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you a lot for the comments! I do understand this conflict of interest might be the biggest issue stopping me from creation even a new article unfortunatelly. How can I technically avoid this conflict of interest then? Shall I change my username on the same account? If so how can I do it? Or maybe there are any other possible options? Looking forward to your replies! Thanks.Helen roundme (talk) 18:03, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You seem to be misunderstanding what a conflict of interest is. A conflict of interest is something that you as an editor (might) have. It is not something that can be technically avioded. I was just speculating based on the fact that you are trying to create an article containing part of your username. See the guideline I linked to in my previous comment (WP:COI) for further information. P p p  e r  y   (talk) 18:26, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Finding a particular edit ?
How does one find when and who added a particular word or phrase to an article (without having to scan though hundreds or even thousands of diffs)? Aoziwe (talk) 16:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * WP:WIKIBLAME. Dismas |(talk) 16:30, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Perfect - thanks Aoziwe (talk) 02:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Creating Wikipedia page for my company
I read the conflict of interest page and I understand that creating a Wiki Page for the company I work in might constitute a conflict of interest. However, it is a major company in the aerospace industry and, surprisingly, it does not have a wikipedia page yet. Can I go ahead and create a wikipedia page and let other fellow wikipedians review the conflict of interest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibuildseats (talk • contribs) 16:31, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, if your company is passes WP:GNG, you can request that an article be created via WP:REQ. However there is no guarantee that it would be created. Wikipedia articles by-and-large are created by volunteer editors with no connection to the subject and using information obtained via reliable independent sources. It is generally discouraged, though not prohibited, for WP:COI reasons for an editor to write about something with which they have a close connection. Eagleash (talk) 17:22, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Eagleash's suggestions are good, though you may also go with the articles for creation process. There you write a draft article, that will only get pushed to mainspace after being reviewed and accepted by a veteran editor (who might suggest/require changes). Just be open about your conflict of interest.
 * Note also that paid editing must be disclosed (see the link for details); if your company specifically asks that you edit their page, it qualifies as paid editing. (If it is not the case, you still have a WP:COI, and it is better to disclose it though not mandatory.) Tigraan Click here to contact me 10:48, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Work in Marketing for a bank -- how can I add information to our Wikipedia page?
I work on the Marketing team at IBERIABANK. We currently have a Wikipedia page, but I have never edited it or added any information to it. Our head of Communications would like us to "improve" the page. It sounds like Marketing/PR teams are not supposed to directly edit the page, so what is the best way to get the page updated? I have read several articles online, and they mention using the "Talk" page - but if I click on "Talk" from our IBERIABANK page, I get this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:IBERIABANK and I am not sure where I am supposed to go from there.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Emilia Anderson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emiliaanderson (talk • contribs) 18:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . On that page you would click the button near the top that says, "New section" and an edit window will popup.  You want to put  followed by a detailed summary of the changes you want made and reference to sources supporting the changes.  Please read this page on what constitutes a reliable source so you know what kind of sources Wikipedia deems acceptable.  A good rule of thumb is that sources must be about the company, supporting any assertion you want made in the article, but produced independently of the company; in other words, avoid the company's website, press releases, news articles generated from press releases, the company's marketing materials, etc. Once that is done, wait to see if anyone responds.  If a reasonable time passes (2-4 weeks) with no response, come back here and ask for help. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 18:59, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you,. I am new to all of this! I did take a look at the "reliable sources" page, but if we aren't able to use our website, press releases, or news articles generated from press releases then how would be add information about an acquisition (for example). What would be a reliable source for that information?


 * , for the uncontroversial fact that company A acquired company B on such and such a date, the company's own website would probably be adequate; but if one of the companies is notable in Wikipedia's sense (i.e., there is substantial indpendent material published about it), I would be surprised if an independent report of the acquisition cannot be found, eg in the financial press. If a non-independent source is used, then only the bare facts can be reported from it, and not (eg) anything about the purpose or goal of acquiring the company. --ColinFine (talk) 19:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict: Basically, what said.) :, take a look at the sources used in Attempted purchase of Time Warner Cable by Comcast, an article about a (failed) acquisition.  They are mostly news articles, yes, but they primarily represent original reporting by news agencies instead of a rehash of press releases.  ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 19:33, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I took a look at articles rated as good by our WikiProject Finance and there's a few examples that hopefully steer you in the right direction. Check out articles such as The_Blackstone_Group, Chemical_Bank, JPMorgan Chase remembering that we're an encyclopaedia so that should guide you in considering what content is appropriate.  Good luck, CaptRik (talk) 20:06, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks and, very helpful! We aren't a huge national bank, so most of the news stories about our acquisitions are pushed our via a press release and then picked up. But I will definitely look around. I would mostly like to add our Company History and a few other very factual pieces of information. Nothing about our products and services that could be taken as marketing material. I will submit some information for approval and see what happens!

Mars symbol (♂) in editor attributes
I've noticed this some time ago, but have pretty much ignored it up to now. Can anyone tell me what the Mars symbol (U+2642, ♂) is supposed to indicate when hovering over the Talk page link for another editor to see their edit count and other attributes? E.g.:

The symbol appears for some, but not all, editors, and I've not been able to figure out its meaning.  General Ization  Talk   21:26, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That is the symbol for male. It would only appear if the editor has selected "He edits" in their preferences. It was added as part of an edit request for popups. The female symbol will also appear if the person has selected "She edits" in their preferences. --Majora (talk) 21:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * See Gender symbol. --Majora (talk) 21:29, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Uh, yes, I'm quite well aware that the Mars symbol has that meaning, but I wasn't aware that Wikipedia was identifying editors by gender, or how it might determine an editor's gender. I do see the Internationalization section in Preferences, and the question: "How do you prefer to be described?  (When mentioning you, the software will use gender neutral words whenever possible)  She edits wiki pages  He edits wiki pages".  Is this the source of the symbol?  Also, I must say I've seen few if any Venus symbols (♀) in the same display, even for editors I have some reason to think are female.   General Ization   Talk   21:36, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, I think I was replying as you were typing your expanded reply. Thanks.  General Ization   Talk   21:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It depends on whether or not the editor has taken the time to indicate their gender in their preferences. I didn't make a selection (nor do I plan to) and therefore neither symbol shows up in my popup. Frankly, I don't think the gender picker in the preferences has any other effect. At least not that I know of. Perhaps some templates make use of it but I'm not actually aware of one. It was a long standing request at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-popups.js and was fulfilled rather recently. --Majora (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought it was a fairly recent development. Like you, I think, I don't really have any interest in wearing my gender like a badge. I'm sure I responded to the question in Preferences some years back, not understanding or expecting it would have that effect. I'm actually surprised there was consensus to implement this feature.   General Ization   Talk   21:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has a large majority of male editors, and female editors may also be less inclined to publish their gender. The preferences setting is public and is used by some templates made specifically for the purpose like He or she, but such templates are rarely used. There are other languages where the setting is used to determine whether the equivalent of "User:" in userspace should use a female form of the word but there is no such difference in English. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:56, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Makes sense; I can see the reason to ask editors the question, and how some templates might reasonably use it to achieve improved natural language, but the addition of the gender symbol in the editor attributes display I was referring to is apparently relatively new and, I think, surprising.  General Ization   Talk   22:01, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Going down the rabbit hole of links. It looks like it was discussed in two places per this. The links in that post were archived, so after spelunking a little bit I found the originals. Here and here. I don't think there was anything else besides that and there certainly wasn't any discussion on the mediawiki talk page. Those pages don't get much traffic anyways and a discussion there would be rather pointless. --Majora (talk) 22:04, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Sandbox problem
Hello - I created a record for [ John Allan (numismatist) ] in my sandbox. This has been reviewed and accepted. But there is something strange... my sandbox entry appears online ie User:Hkb/sandbox appears as a named person in the Category:Royal Numismatic Society Medallists I'm not sure why this has happened - please could you help? Thank you! Helen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkb (talk • contribs) 21:48, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You applied mainspace categories to the copy of the article residing in your Sandbox. I have disabled them, and your sandbox will no longer appear in those categories.  General Ization   Talk   21:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)