Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 June 29

= June 29 =

Non-English Disambiguation pages
Do we have a precedent of how to handle pages like this one? I'm not sure how useful that will be to an average English reader so I thought I'd ask here before sending it to AfD. Fei noh a  Talk 01:50, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirected Lourdes  06:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I added the "foreign language redirect" category (let's have a thought for the poor WP:Wikignomes who maintain the redirects). Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:25, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Fatal exception of type "Exception"
My original account is User:Tot Samyj Niekto (which before named as User:Михаил Марчук) but i can't log in there so i created this new account. When i try to log in there, instead of loging in i saw this text: Fatal exception of type "Exception", what is it?, what can i do?, will suggest to me someone, please? --Mouchmar (talk) 07:13, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Is  the exact wording of the message? I have heard of login messages   and , but your variant gives me no search hits. Special:GlobalRenameProgress/Tot Samyj Niekto shows a number of wikis where the rename is "In progress". Can you log in at one of those? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've tried to log in en.wikipedia.org just now. No, i can't. Full message: [V3OpiQpAEFwAAAfbyJcAAAAA] 2016-06-29 10:57:14: Fatal exception of type "Exception"--Mouchmar (talk) 11:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * When i tried to log in arz.wikipedia.org: [V3Ov@gpAADwAABS9iCYAAAAO] 2016-06-29 11:24:42: Fatal exception of type "Exception", just [] and numbers changed but Fatal exception of type "Exception" the same. --Mouchmar (talk) 11:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Did the problem start after the rename? meta:Special:CentralAuth/Tot Samyj Niekto shows the rename was 21:11, 27 June 2016. Help:Logging in and T119736 (not about renames) mention the message . Maybe your account has a rename variant of that issue. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:34, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, after the rename. And  was in the beginning, but then it became   with [] and date.--Mouchmar (talk) 12:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I have posted your case to T119736. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Mouchmar (talk) 12:36, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The problem is actually with Global Rename Progress There is a bug, discussions on which can be seen at T137973 Till it gets resolved, you probably won't be able to use your new account. Sorry for that. Lourdes  13:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Mouchmar (talk) 13:59, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on World Wide Web Consortium
Reference help requested.

Thanks, Craft6789 (talk) 07:26, 29 June 2016 (UTC) By


 * Fixed by Joshuagay in Special:Diff/711378800. BTW, there's more pages with similar error in Category:Pages with empty citations. --CiaPan (talk) 09:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I tried to create a company page. It has been a draft for over 2 weeks. How do I publish it?
I have made my Company Page on Wikipedia. It's called "A Travel Duet". However, it is in the draft mode. How do I make it a published article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:A_Travel_Duet

Please help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyaa89 (talk • contribs) 09:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, unfortunately, Wikipedia is not a place where people should write an article about a subject with which they have a close association. Please see WP:COI for more information. As a rule, articles are written about people, companies, etc. by volunteer editors, independent of the subject and who gather information from reliable (see WP:RS) third party sources. Subjects of articles also have to pass Wiki's rather stringent rules on notability. I note that you have recently added the review tag and that should therefore take place within a few days. Although you have some references to decent sources, the page as it stands might well be rejected at review as being too promotional. However, that does not necessarily mean it cannot ultimately be published...if any issues noted at review can be satisfactorily addressed. Eagleash (talk) 10:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Like many people, I'm afraid you have a misunderstanding about what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia does not have such a thing as a "Company Page". It has articles, many of them about companies. They are (or should be) based almost 100% on what people who have no connection with the company have published in reliable places. What the company, or its friends, employees, and associates, say about it, is of almost no interest to Wikipedia. So Pritish Shah's blog is of no value in supporting such an article; (blogs are in any case hardly ever regarded as reliable sources). And though the Times of India is no doubt a reliable source, it is simply quoting Shah, so it is not an independent source. In order for Wikipedia to have an article about A Travel Duet, it must be almost 100% taken from sources completely independent of Shah or the company. Please study Your first article.
 * Furthermore, if you are connected with the company (as it seems from your question), you have a Conflict of interest, and should declare it. If you are in any way remunerated by the company, you must declare this according to WP:PAID. --ColinFine (talk) 12:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Help: replace deleted material in 'The Poison Kiss ' opera by Vaughan Williams
I was adding to 'The Poison kiss"' an opera by Vaughan Williams the fact that it had been performed by Cheltenham Grammar School around 1957 but the end of the article saying it was performed in the Bronx in 2011 has disappeared.  I cannot work out how to fix it and get back the deleted part. I do not know enough about computers to know what the words you are using mean--  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.75.150.172 (talk) 11:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Your edit [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Poisoned_Kiss&diff=727499179&oldid=708815476] had a starting . See more at Help:Referencing for beginners. But I have reverted the edit. "personal reminiscences" is not an allowed source per Verifiability, and a grammar school performance does not sound notable for an encyclopedia article. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:18, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

How to change name of listing
We are referenced as the Old Mill Inn & Spa but legally changed our company name a few years ago to Old Mill Toronto. How can we update this information in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.124.174.11 (talk) 13:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, as you have a conflict of interest (WP:COI), you should probably not edit the page yourself. The page can be moved (as it is known on Wikipedia) by any registered user whose account complies with some (quite) minimal conditions (four days old, ten edits). It should be noted that the boldname was changed some time ago to Old MIll Toronto, by an editor who also seems to have a close association with the article subject. You can place a request on the article talk-page or at WP:RM or if you can provide a source for the name here at the help desk, I'm sure a helpful editor will move it for you. Eagleash (talk) 13:57, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Since the place's Web site calls it the Old Mill Toronto, I've gone ahead and moved the article. Deor (talk) 14:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * As even at least one of the sources the article uses (the Toronto Star), already refers to just the "Old Mill," I will be bold and make the move now. But the advice on COI editing is fundamental. Muffled Pocketed  14:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * It's been moved with this edit. However there is a page Old Mill, Toronto referring to a district, so some dab might be needed. Eagleash (talk)


 * Update: I've added hatnotes, (& updated the disamb page) but if anything else is needed, please feel free. :) Eagleash (talk) 15:11, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on 16 Days of Activism against Gender-based Violence
Reference help requested.

Hi! I was wondering if you could help me fix the URL error on the 16 Days of Activism against Gender-based Violence page.

Thanks, Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adematos (talk • contribs) 14:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Adematos, the errors are that the URLs cannot be links to files on your own computer, they must be internet addresses. Give the URLs where you originally found the documents, not the copies that you have downloaded. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:17, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * No, I'm afraid only you can repair the links. I have put a message yesterday on your talk page about the error – and probably only you know, what are the original Web sources for your citations. --CiaPan (talk) 15:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Adematos, just to develop on what others just said in a way a non-computer savy person can understand (hopefully):
 * Links start by a protocol, describing in machine language how the data is to be found, for instance  or  . The protocol   says to look for a file on the local machine on which it is executed, that is, calling it on different computers can yield different results depending on what is stored in the internal memory.
 * Wikipedia and Wikipedia readers cannot access the files on your own machine (unless you specifically configure it in this purpose and anyways a local path like  will not work). On the other hand, network protocols like http, https, ftp etc. that point to a valid domain name can be reached by Wikipedia readers (e.g.   works on all computers with free access to internet, but   is usually not accessible without a computer physically within company X's network).
 * What can be linked on Wikipedia is therefore only what you can access through your browser (Firefox, Internet Explorer / Edge, Chrome and Safari are the most current ones); copy-paste the link from the URL bar (usually located in the upper portion of the screen) once you have found the page again. Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:14, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

IMMEDIATE HELP
I moved macOS Sierra to OS X Sierra all other pages of the article are showing heading OS X Sierra but main article and talk page say oS X Sierra. Someone correct it fast. -- Varun  &#9742;   14:45, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Someone else already fixed it here. Dismas |(talk) 14:52, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ thanks whoever did it -- Varun  &#9742;   14:53, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * yeah saw it thnx -- Varun  &#9742;   14:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Offensive template
This userbox has a pic that says "WTF" which stands for What the f**k. I would request the image in the template be changed as the word isnt appropriate for all. -- Varun  &#9742;   15:25, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * What template is this about? Maproom (talk) 15:42, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You haven't told us which userbox you are talking about. Also, Wikipedia is not censored. — crh 23   &thinsp;(Talk) 16:28, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe will help. The relevant venue is possibly WP:TFD, but I doubt "WTF" will be considered offensive enough to be removed. The shortcut WP:F*** points to a page that says (basically) that unnecessary and harmful profanity should be removed, but I see a weak case for "unnecessary" and a really bad one for "harmful" here. (I am not even sure "WTF" is considered profanity just because "fuck" is; "pornography" is not profanity though it describes something that is).  Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:38, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Where "wtf" is likely to be seen by children, it will cause offense to their parents. It should, I think, be removed unless it's there for a good reason. But without knowing the context, it's hard to tell. Maproom (talk) 16:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I have seen you do some good work here, Maproom; but a request such as yours is going to be sweepingly rejected by the vast majority of Wikipedians, who find censorship much more offensive and destructive to their children's interests in the 21st century than such a namby-pamby "obscenity" as this. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but I do not expect children to check User: pages. Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:45, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks everyone i forgot to link thnx it is Template:User edit summary Varun   &#9742;   16:53, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I see nothing wrong with it and it is used on over 100 user pages. Did you know that we even have a page titled WTF? OMG! TMD TLA. ARG!. What is and what isn't appropriate is completely subjective. And WTF is must less offensive than some of our actual articles/images. That is why we don't censor things. Since censoring just leads down a road where everything and anything that could possibly offend anyone would need to be removed. If you don't like it, ignore it. --Majora (talk) 20:31, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * User edit summary uses pure text and not an image. If you want to display it on your user page without "WTF?" then you can change it with code like . This example says "What?" instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I had no prob i hear such things evryday at school. Ok if u find it okay then its good. thnaks for the help. Varun   &#9742;   05:22, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * There's an old story about somebody who complained to the local policeman about boys singing rude songs outside her house. The policeman had a word with the boys. She then reported that they were now whistling rude songs. --ColinFine (talk) 09:54, 30 June 2016 (UTC)