Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 June 9

= June 9 =

Museum infobox questions
I have two questions about editing museum infoboxes.

1. At least a few museums list a CEO (as in Perot Museum of Nature and Science), and this is not present in the infobox template, so it is causing a warning message and the name of the CEO does not show up in the box. The template does include founder, director, president, chairperson, curator, architect, and historian but I'm not sure if any of these other titles mean quite the same thing as CEO. Suggestions?

2. If a museum has closed permanently, the Template:Infobox museum page says to use an 'end date' template, but I can't get that to work. If I just stick the end date template into the infobox template, I get a date with not text in front of it. If I add text, like 'dissolved', then nothing shows up. Can you direct me to a help page that describes how to do this? Thanks,Leschnei (talk) 02:18, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've added the CEO parameter in the said template. Tell me if it works now (purge the page before checking; it's a template, so won't show immediately unless you purge). For your second query, which museum are you talking about? If it's Museum of Contemporary Craft which closed down in February 2016 and which you edited soon before you came to this desk, then please check again; I've used the end date template and it works pretty well. Thanks. Xender Lourdes (talk) 03:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was Museum of Contemporary Craft. I'll check out your edit so I'll know how to do it in the future. And thanks for adding CEO. Leschnei (talk) 03:56, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Change of language style on Royal Mail
Bonjour. The Oxford dictionary states that those words are spelled with a z rather than an s. On an encylcopaedia website, you should be using Oxford English as most other websites do. Even Encyclopaedia Britannica uses the correct spellings. 203.213.40.147 (talk) 06:24, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that's kind of contentious. The relevant guideline would be WP:ENGVAR.  Generally, we stick with whatever the first contributor uses.  It's an imperfect system, but it helps to reduce the amount of time we waste arguing over trivialities, such as spelling. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No, British English should be used, as it's a British organisation. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:45, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The spellings you refer to are not correct in UK English. As it is the Royal Mail (I.e. UK) the spellings are correct with the "s". Eagleash (talk) 06:47, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * See Oxford spelling. The "-ize" ending (unlike, say, "color") is not exclusively American. Tevildo (talk) 08:14, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * But -ise is an appropriate, and commonly used in British English, spelling. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Agreed '-ize' has virtually no uses (if any at all) in UK English. Eagleash (talk) 10:18, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Oxford English uses several forms which tend not to be used outside their own publications, such as -ize and the final comma in "cats, dogs, and rabbits". AE uses both of these, but that's not relevant here. Otherwise, BE normally uses -ise and no final comma in "cats, dogs and rabbits". WP:ENGVAR is your policy and should be adhered too Jimfbleak - talk to me?  15:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

About editing?
I made an article in the Sandbox and got a message from Wikipedia in Arabic (for some reason). Is the message you sent about my article? Or should I forget all about it? AntiocheneAntiochene (talk) 07:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You made an article in your own sandbox, not in the sandbox. I doubt it was related to the message you received. In the last month or so, I also have started to receive messages from Wikipedias in languages I can't read and to which I have never contributed; I ignore them. Maproom (talk) 09:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Your account is automatically created at a wiki run by the Wikimedia Foundation if you view a page while you are logged in at another wiki. Your account was created at the Arabic Wikipedia 3 June.[//ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/خاص:سجل/Antiochene?uselang=en] Some wikis post welcome messages to users who haven't edited there. That happened here: ar:User talk:Antiochene. Depending on your account settings you may get an email or notification if your user talk page is edited. Just ignore it if you don't contribute to the wiki. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * (EC) Your account has been registered not only in English, but also in Arabic, Danish and Turkish Wikipedias:
 * https://tools.wmflabs.org/quentinv57-tools/tools/sulinfo.php?username=Antiochene
 * Possibly they send you automatic or semiautomatic welcome messages...? --CiaPan (talk) 09:43, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

New Users
So, I wanted to know if there is something like Special:NewPagesFeed but for the user creation log, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/newusers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adotchar (talk • contribs) 09:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No there isn't. I don't know what such a feature would show beyond what is already at Special:Log/newusers. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:04, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Copy & paste
I am trying to paste text from my word document to my draft: AEDP... nothing happens when i click paste. This is has not happened before. Carrieruggieri (talk) 12:11, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * , there's always a first time. This desk is for support with respect to aspects related to Wikipedia. You'll be better off showing your computing device to a software technician. Having said that, your device has most probably run out of memory and therefore it's not copying the text onto the clipboard. Switch your device (computer/laptop/...) off and switch it on again. Open the word document, and try copy-pasting again. If it works this time, good. If it doesn't, keep calm and get help from a software technician. Xender Lourdes (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Missing spaces after hyperlinks in Irkut MC-21 lede
In the lead section (not subsequent sections) of the Irkut MC-21 article, hyperlinked text is joined to text following it on Windows Chrome, Firefox and IE. Copy-pasting the text gives

The Irkut MC-21is a twin-engineshort- to mid-range Russianjet airlinerwith a capacity of 150-212 passengers. The MC-21 is being developed and to be produced by Irkutand Yakovlev Design Bureauof the United Aircraft Corporation(UAC) group.[6]It was formerly known in English as MS-21; Russian: МС‑21 "Магистральный Самолёт 21 века" – "Magistralny Samolyot 21 veka" – "Airliner of the 21st Century". The design is based on the never-realized, twin-engine Yakovlev Yak-242 as a development of the three-engine Yakovlev Yak-42. According to a recent statement made by Russian deputy premier Dmitry Rogozin, the name of the MC-21 serial production aircraft will again be Yak-242.[7][8]Intended to replace the Tupolev Tu-154and older Tupolev Tu-204/214sin service,[9]the MC-21 certification and delivery was initially planned by 2016,[10]but later delayed to the end of 2018.[11][12]

The wikitext looks fine. Any ideas? To keep the discussion together, please reply on talk:Irkut MC-21. Thanks! cm&#610;&#671;ee&#9094;&#964;a&#671;&#954; 12:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Steve Pisanos
Passes away few days ago: http://www.onalert.gr/stories/o-iptamenos-ellinas-spyros-pissanos-petakse-gia-to-taksidi-dixws-epistrofh/50160

http://imodeler.com/2016/06/rip-spiros-steve-pisanos-1920-2016/

Please update the relevant article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.195.152.130 (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source confirming the same? Xender Lourdes (talk) 12:56, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

An admin closed my discussion prematurely
I posted in the ANI board because a user is harassing me, an admin closed the discussion claiming he would be a laughing stock. I would like the user to stop harassing and stalking me. Where can I post to resolve this dispute? Can I declare it unresolved? Kswikiaccount (talk) 13:50, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * An administrator did not close the discussion, and the Help Desk is not the venue for this kind of complaint.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That's right,, but the user above is asking what the right venue is (and Help Desk is exactly for inquiries like this). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Superficially, it may appear that way. In reality, they are complaining about the closure. The user was already in the right forum. They just don't like the result.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:32, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * See also WP:FORUMSHOP. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:04, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * please go away. As Finnusertop stated, I am "asking what the right venue is". Try to not assume incompetence and bad faith on a help page for newbies.
 * I am not admin-shopping. Why are you posting on a help page if you're going to be condescending? Take after Finnusertop and change your disrespectful and offensive attitude please. Kswikiaccount (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Just for the record the discussion can be found here. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:11, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * , calm down. Admins like and  are not only some of the most experienced here, but have significant experience in their respective areas and are the most helpful to users where it is required. They are both spot on in what they have mentioned with respect to you. I can understand your issue with Guy. The way Guy writes is not the way I would write, and not the way I would recommend anyone to write to other editors. I agree with you on that part. But there's no harassment there. It's just the way some people write, and if you start taking issue with such statements, you would not be able to collaborate. Ignore the statements, focus on the content. And don't hit out at people who are attempting to guide you. Xender Lourdes (talk) 16:16, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, how about the user above you, knowledgekid87. This dude is stalking me from page to page. Literally stalking me. Kswikiaccount (talk) 17:07, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * My view is that he is not stalking you, but ensuring that if you are posting about anything related to the current issue, all views are heard. I can empathise with you quite a bit as I've been through all that you're perhaps going through now. But the truth is that if you're not emotionally involved in editing here, then you'll have fun. If you don't like the way someone talks with you on an article's talk page, just move on to another article that you like. Of course, no one is allowed to attack you or stalk you. But nobody has done that. The standards that are set for attack and stalking are quite, quite higher than what you are perceiving them to be. Just relax and enjoy editing, extend an olive branch to every one around, and just ignore uncivil statements. You'll be alright. Xender Lourdes (talk) 17:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * (EC) No he isn't, at least not in any material way. You have made contributions mainly to a talk page on which he contributes. And since then, you've been trying to make a case here and elsewhere that people are stalking you. Those alleged stalkers, not unreasonably, have become involved in those discussions. The bottom line is that your editing behaviour to date is concerning, and you must be unsurprised if experienced editors are concerned by it. The solution to your problems lies in your own hands. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:23, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Regarding giving reference in Wikipedia article
I have recently wrote an article about - "Amartya Bhattacharyya". After saving the page, I noticed this warning message: "This article is about a living person and appears to have no references. All biographies of living people created after March 2010 must have at least one reference to a reliable source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article. If no reliable references are found and added within a seven-day grace period, this article may be deleted. ".

Though I have added 23 references. I am a beginner, So couldn't understand whats went wrong. What is the possible way to avoid the warning message ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyanka Ghosh Roy (talk • contribs) 16:53, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Resolved Xender Lourdes (talk) 17:01, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Registration Procedures
What are (if any) the procedures for registering a new phase (invented) with Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viwhit (talk • contribs) 17:10, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Viwhit please read the Wikipedia policy titled What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. Specially read the statement which talks about why we don't include personally invented words. In other words, we are not the place you should be registering a new phase (or phrase, if you meant that) that you invented yourself. Write here if you need help in any additional area. Xender Lourdes (talk) 17:13, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The more specific advice on Neologisms is WP:NOTNEO - Arjayay (talk) 17:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Ogg video subtitles will not activate on the Wikipedia
Hi, I checked this video with English subtitles here in the WP article. Before, they did come up, but now the subtitles are not activating. I thought it may be related to some language preferences of mine, but my search engine and Windows is English based, so why do not they activate, even when tapping on the "English subtitles" option. On the other hand, subtitles do activate on Wikimedia commons. Any hints welcome! Iñaki LL (talk) 19:56, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * - I would ask at WP:VPT, they will have more idea about this kind of stuff. Good luck, ansh 666 22:02, 9 June 2016 (UTC)